Bob M is usually on the money, but he's off base here. As Bill said, Flyers wouldn't have won this series with Patrick Roy circa 1986.
- PLindbergh31

Bob is way of base there. It is always easy to point the finger at the man in net..

He mentions all three goals being weak. The first was going high to the far side when it hits a stick and knuckles into the top right side of the net. Bryz really had no shot at that one. The second one was a bone head play. Cant deny it. He was trying to do too much and should have just covered it. Normally, he would have I believe. The third was a seeing eye shot that was in a perfect spot while Bryz was being screened.

You gotta root for Flyers West. It's basically an extension of your team. We are extended family if you will.

Same with the Oilers.
- StayTunedMTC

nah, there isn't anywhere for a Flyers fan to root now outside of the Caps, and they are dead in the water. If Phoenix wins, all of the "experts" will cite them replacing Bryzgalov with Smith.

The Flyers were dominated from what I could see. Thats just my opinion.
- stveshdy

yes, I'm not going to request facts, reasons etc...

The lack of good dump-ins put so much pressure on the defense!

They couldn't establish any kind of forcheck because the offense couldn't retrieve the puck.

If you aren't playing offense you are playing defense. And when you play defense you are chasing the game.

When you are chasing the game you get worn down.

This was one of the most fustrating series I have watch the Flyers play.

I was a broken record during this series, with how many time I was complaining to the TV about the lack of adjustments on the dump-ins.

Completely mind boggling.
- ggunky

You guys just simply got out played. They boxed you out per se, they kept the scoring chances minimal , they kept their composure when you guys played rough and played the body back as well at times.

They dictated the game last night, and you guys couldnt seemingly do d!ck all about it...

I do not consider it Devils beatdown. Simple goal here or there would've changed the series. This did not happen and to simply say a beatdown is misinformed.
- phi1671

Maybe not physically but it sure was mentally.

The Flyers were dominated from what I could see. Thats just my opinion.
- stveshdy

Absolutely. They were one (i guess 2 in one game) OT goal away from being swept.

Soft dump-ins to the corner or chip and chase would have kept Marty away from the puck. There was a total lack of adjusting on the Flyers part.

Hard wrap-arounds high of the glass could have prevented Marty from handling the puck.

I don't know if it was poor coaching or lack of focus on the players part, but that was the most fustrating part of this series. The Flyers lack of adjusting to Marty and playing the puck into the zone to keep the puck away from him.
- ggunky

Another poster made a very good point. When your being outplayed and out supported on the puck, and checked all over the ice. It's much harder to place the puck where you want to be on the shoot ins. I'm quite sure that the Flyers Coaching staff addressed that, and that it was part of the game plan to try and keep the puck away from Brodeur.

Yes young guys but Briere, Talbot, Jagr, Hartnell, Timmonen and a few others should be able to rally the troops. Habs had good success with young guys and a few vets thrown in especially in 86.
- BingoLady

Again, that team wasn't very good, you just had one of the best playoff performances from the best goaltender of all time. Not comparable.

yes, I'm not going to request facts, reasons etc...
- phi1671

Just an opinion.

I've been wrong before.

Bob is way of base there. It is always easy to point the finger at the man in net..

He mentions all three goals being weak. The first was going high to the far side when it hits a stick and knuckles into the top right side of the net. Bryz really had no shot at that one. The second one was a bone head play. Cant deny it. He was trying to do too much and should have just covered it. Normally, he would have I believe. The third was a seeing eye shot that was in a perfect spot while Bryz was being screened.
- jak521

It's lazy journalism 101, usually Bob Mac is above that. Puzzling he would write that.

Phx won already. Just sayin'.
- StayTunedMTC

Sheeeit son. Well played....well played.

(sorry, I had a late night/early morning)

Every goal last night was soft. He cost them the game and series
- BingoLady

Two of the goals were deflections where Bryzgalov had little chance.

Another poster made a very good point. When your being outplayed and out supported on the puck, and checked all over the ice. It's much harder to place the puck where you want to be on the shoot ins. I'm quite sure that the Flyers Coaching staff addressed that, and that it was part of the game plan to try and keep the puck away from Brodeur.
- MJL

Fair point.

I was just so fustrated watching the same play over and over. Dump it in. Marty Plays to defenseman. Defenseman carries or passes it out of the zone.

Repeat.

Sigh.

It was hard to watch and not feel fustrated.

nah, there isn't anywhere for a Flyers fan to root now outside of the Caps, and they are dead in the water. If Phoenix wins, all of the "experts" will cite them replacing Bryzgalov with Smith.
- PLindbergh31

Smith is good, as is Bryz, but they are/were great in Phx in large part because of the system. Phx is stingy on the D side, aggressive forecheck, etc. They play a 5 man D and play in front of the puck and not behind.

That's why when you guys got Bryz, I was worried about how it would work out there. Granted, I didn't think Pronger would be gone and I thought your D would be better. If you give him a decent showing on D, he can become a top 10 goalie again I think. But it has to be the right system with the right guys.

Habs 12 predicted LA to beat NYR in finals.
- BingoLady

speaking of let downs/disappointments.....you looking forward to having the GREAT ROY behind your bench next year!?

The Flyers were out-coached. The lack of adjustments were clear from game 2 - 5.

They didn't change their approach on dumping the puck into the offensive zone.
- ggunky

The players didn't change their approach or execute the correct shoot ins. It's such as basic thing that us fans here on Hockeybuzz realize that needed to be done. But a Stanley Cup winning NHL Head Coach didn't know that? Or implement that in the game plan? C'mon.

yes, I'm not going to request facts, reasons etc...
- phi1671

Oh no, one of those homers who can't even see what happened right in front of his eyes. The flyers were outchanced, outhit, outdisciplined, outshot (in every game I believe), outdefended, and overall outplayed for at least 45 of the 60 minutes in every game. To me, that's being dominated.

I know I was quitting watching games halfway through because I knew they were over.

I still think if Pronger is deemed never able to play again, and the new CBA gives buy-out option again, they buy his contract out and he retires.....it would be the best option for both sides and they can both move forward.

That being said...it is a good summer to work towards either Suter and/or Weber....get a trade together for their rights, like we do every few summers with Nashville.

Again, that team wasn't very good, you just had one of the best playoff performances from the best goaltender of all time. Not comparable.
- TommyDeVito

The team played hard and came up against a team that was prepared for their system. The Devils played within their system and out coached the Flyers. Marty did not steal a game, the Devils simply limited the Flyers chances and when they did have chances they didn't bury them. Creating chances were far more to the Devils advantage and they took advantage of them.

I agree.

I mean look at the Kings. I think they skate as the youngest overall in the playoffs... and so far they're doing fine.
- StayTunedMTC

Average age isnt always a good thing to do by.

In last nights game the Flyers had 8 guys 23 or younger....

The kings have 3.

Again, that team wasn't very good, you just had one of the best playoff performances from the best goaltender of all time. Not comparable.
- TommyDeVito

That team was deep up front(vets and rookies) and an awesome D with Larry and Chelly - more than just Roy..

The players didn't change their approach or execute the correct shoot ins. It's such as basic thing that us fans here on Hockeybuzz realize that needed to be done. But a Stanley Cup winning NHL Head Coach didn't know that? Or implement that in the game plan? C'mon.
- MJL

Lava should have taken a time-out or yelled at least.

The players didn't change their approach or execute the correct shoot ins. It's such as basic thing that us fans here on Hockeybuzz realize that needed to be done. But a Stanley Cup winning NHL Head Coach didn't know that? Or implement that in the game plan? C'mon.
- MJL

Well, the coach is responsible for holding the players accountable. If they aren't doing the things asked of them then the coach needs to hold them accountable.

When you see the same issue games 2-5 you have to think the coach is failing at making adjustments.

Please know, I am not blaming only the coaches or specific players, they lost as a team and everyone, including the coaches, needed to be better.

The players didn't change their approach or execute the correct shoot ins. It's such as basic thing that us fans here on Hockeybuzz realize that needed to be done. But a Stanley Cup winning NHL Head Coach didn't know that? Or implement that in the game plan? C'mon.
- MJL

The Flyers rushed the puck almost every possession in their own end. The pressure got in their heads and forced them to make dumb mistakes. Part of that is also contributed to the fact that the defense spend a lot of time in their own end. I'm sure Lavi tried to make adjustments but the players didn't execute either.

The lack of good dump-ins put so much pressure on the defense!

They couldn't establish any kind of forcheck because the offense couldn't retrieve the puck.

If you aren't playing offense you are playing defense. And when you play defense you are chasing the game.

When you are chasing the game you get worn down.

This was one of the most fustrating series I have watch the Flyers play.

I was a broken record during this series, with how many time I was complaining to the TV about the lack of adjustments on the dump-ins.

Completely mind boggling.
- ggunky

I was screaming at my tv about the same thing...Pete couldn't hear me