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ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

May 9 @ 7:16 PM ET
Coburn is an underrated playoff beast
- Giroux_Is_God



Good point. His game does seem to kick up a notch or 2 in the playoffs.

eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

May 9 @ 7:17 PM ET
I would like someone with a little more mobility.
- MJL


That's definitely a key asset when dealing with teams employing an aggressive forecheck. Injuries played a part I'm sure, but for the most part the Flyers D IMO is a bit too slow for my liking. The faster you can get to the puck, the more time you have to make a decision, amongst other things speed can do.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

May 9 @ 7:17 PM ET
Would you guys do a deal centered around JVR for Bogosian?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 9 @ 7:17 PM ET
That and make other teams pay...they have to be big enough to handle th forechecking...that's where the problem was...small guys were targeted and worn down to a nub
- Philly1980


Mez, Coburn, and Grossmann is a start. Homer has to go from there.

Will see if Timonen has one more year left in him.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 9 @ 7:17 PM ET
I really feel as though Coburn was beastly in these playoffs and down the stretch. He is beginning to resemble a top-pair defenseman, and that bodes well for the future. I was very impressed with his play.
- LordStanley88


Coburn was the Flyers best d-man in the playoffs. Timonen is very good as well, but age and injuries are catching up with the Finnish Warrior.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 9 @ 7:18 PM ET
Would you guys do a deal centered around JVR for Bogosian?
- canadianpenfan

I wanted Bogosian during the season but then he started playing well and was off the market.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 9 @ 7:19 PM ET
I wanted Bogosian during the season but then he started playing well and was off the market.
- stveshdy

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 9 @ 7:20 PM ET
Coburn was the Flyers best d-man in the playoffs. Timonen is very good as well, but age and injuries are catching up with the Finnish Warrior.
- PLindbergh31


The Finnish Warrior is about FINISHED!!!

Great player for the Flyers but eventually all good things come to an end.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

May 9 @ 7:21 PM ET
I wanted Bogosian during the season but then he started playing well and was off the market.
- stveshdy



But he's their #3, I think he could be pried away for JVR. Bogosian is finally starting to realize his potential but he still has alot of room to get better. And he will.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 9 @ 7:21 PM ET
Coburn is an underrated playoff beast
- Giroux_Is_God

He sure was in the P'burgh series. But I have to admit the guy who repeatedly had me seeing him in a positive light was Little E.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 9 @ 7:22 PM ET
The Finnish Warrior is about FINISHED!!!

Great player for the Flyers but eventually all good things come to an end.

- stveshdy


I hope he gets healed up in the off-season and comes back for his final season. I'm a big Kimmo fan. He has paid his dues. Very well respected guy throughout the League.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

May 9 @ 7:22 PM ET
But he's their #3, I think he could be pried away for JVR. Bogosian is finally starting to realize his potential but he still has alot of room to get better. And he will.
- canadianpenfan

WIN needs a center to move bogo
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

May 9 @ 7:22 PM ET
I feel there are two ways to go with the Defense. If the right player for the right deal is available, then absolutely make the move. Whether that's a trade or a free agent pick up. But don't make the move just to make a move.

If Carle doesn't come back. Which I think is going to be the case. Another option is elevating Meszaros and Coburn. Both have shown in the past, to have offensive ability from the backend. And signing a short term solution. Just a solid defender who can play physical, and play well in his own end. And when Timonen comes off the books, there will be some coin to make a splash.

- MJL


Alright, and what if Timonen comes off the books this year? Reports are coming out that he's been playing with knee ligament injuries and a hip that needs to be surgically repaired. It's certainly not 100% that he's going to be back.

Would you want Suter at his rumored price?
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 9 @ 7:24 PM ET
Good point. His game does seem to kick up a notch or 2 in the playoffs.
- ggunky

I think he got a meaner edge when Nik got here. He was feeding of Grossmann. Hopefully Nik recovers well from surgery and is ready to rock and roll when fall comes.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

May 9 @ 7:24 PM ET
But he's their #3, I think he could be pried away for JVR. Bogosian is finally starting to realize his potential but he still has alot of room to get better. And he will.
- canadianpenfan

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 9 @ 7:25 PM ET
But he's their #3, I think he could be pried away for JVR. Bogosian is finally starting to realize his potential but he still has alot of room to get better. And he will.
- canadianpenfan


No doubt that Winnipeg needs some offensive help. But I don't see them making that deal.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

May 9 @ 7:25 PM ET
But he's their #3, I think he could be pried away for JVR. Bogosian is finally starting to realize his potential but he still has alot of room to get better. And he will.
- canadianpenfan


I don't think Winnipeg is going to deal Bogo, but if he became available, I'd trade JVR for him in a minute. I'm a JVR fan too.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

May 9 @ 7:25 PM ET
Mez, Coburn, and Grossmann is a start. Homer has to go from there.

Will see if Timonen has one more year left in him.

- stveshdy

Mez just needs to get healthy and fit for the fall. He was understandably tentative at the beginning last night but gained confidence (and even threw a few hits) after he got hit and realized he could take it.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

May 9 @ 7:25 PM ET
Mez, Coburn, and Grossmann is a start. Homer has to go from there.

Will see if Timonen has one more year left in him.

- stveshdy

I would put coburn 1st pair gross2nd and mezz third
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 9 @ 7:26 PM ET
Alright, and what if Timonen comes off the books this year? Reports are coming out that he's been playing with knee ligament injuries and a hip that needs to be surgically repaired. It's certainly not 100% that he's going to be back.

Would you want Suter at his rumored price?

- LordStanley88


What's his rumored price? And I'm expecting Timonen to be back next year.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

May 9 @ 7:26 PM ET
I think he got a meaner edge when Nik got here. He was feeding of Grossmann. Hopefully Nik recovers well from surgery and is ready to rock and roll when fall comes.
- bodiva88


Agreed. Grossman/Coburn is a solid shutdown pair.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

May 9 @ 7:26 PM ET
What's his rumored price? And I'm expecting Timonen to be back next year.
- MJL


$7 million.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 9 @ 7:26 PM ET
Mez just needs to get healthy and fit for the fall. He was understandably tentative at the beginning last night but gained confidence (and even threw a few hits) after he got hit and realized he could take it.
- bodiva88


Meszaros played admirably for a player in his situation. But he was clearly still hindered and not 100%
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 9 @ 7:27 PM ET
$7 million.
- LordStanley88


If hypothetically Timonen was done, I would be interested.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

May 9 @ 7:27 PM ET
Mez just needs to get healthy and fit for the fall. He was understandably tentative at the beginning last night but gained confidence (and even threw a few hits) after he got hit and realized he could take it.
- bodiva88


Yep. He made some aggressive pinches and threw his body around. He did about as well as he could given the circumstances.
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