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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 8 @ 8:30 PM ET
Goaltenders at the squirt level make that play without a problem. Timonen made the safe play, had he tried something else he could have turned the puck over in his own zone.
- PLindbergh31


Defenseman in squirt level make a better decision. How is sending the puck back to the Goalie when a simple chip out of the zone is available, the safe play?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

May 8 @ 8:31 PM ET
Still not as bad as Grossman and Gustaffson. Man those 2 are just awful in this series
- Just5



Grossmann is clearly injured or something. So is Jagr, Hartnell, Kimmo. Meszy does not want to raise his stick to shoot the puck. He just pokes at it. Its the Flyers typical walking dead story in the playoffs.

After I commended Gusty yesterday, he looks rattled out there. I would not call him awful though.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

May 8 @ 8:31 PM ET
Anyone see JVR out there???
- steelydan


Giroux's name might've been mentioned more than him in that period...
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 8 @ 8:31 PM ET
He had 5 hits halfway through the period and he only got 1 more shift.
- canadianpenfan

maybe the refs had their lasers on him and told lavi he was going to sit with the next hit
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

May 8 @ 8:31 PM ET
Guys its a team game. Its a goal no matter who gets the blame. We need to move on and keep playing hockey. We have two periods to get it back. Have to continue to keep playing hard.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

May 8 @ 8:31 PM ET
100% on Timonen. Bryzgalov was just unlucky.
- MJL


I agree that Bryz isn't good at handling the puck, but Timonen wasn't exactly asking him to do a lot, just receive the puck and move it along...not try to put it through a Jersey player and have it go through his oh-so-accommodating 5 hole.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

May 8 @ 8:31 PM ET
Giroux's name might've been mentioned more than him in that period...
- _Zippy_


JVR had 3 minutes, least on the team by a good minute or 2. Wonder what's up with that...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 8 @ 8:31 PM ET
Whether or not Timmonen should've passed it back to Bryz is debatable. What isn't is that Bryz had a ton of time. The man who peeled in on Bryz was the one on Timmonen, the only one in the Flyers zone. Bryz had the puck on his stick in plenty of time and plenty of options. He chose poorly. You think a poor stick handler would've tried the safe play instead of the fancy one. The goal is on Bryz.
- Flyers_01


He absolutely didn't have a ton of time. Bryzgalov was forced to make a split second decision. That goal is on Timonen. No doubt.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

May 8 @ 8:32 PM ET
Grossmann is clearly injured or something. So is Jagr, Hartnell, Kimmo. Meszy does not want to raise his stick to shoot the puck. He just pokes at it. Its the Flyers typical walking dead story in the playoffs.

After I commended Gusty yesterday, he looks rattled out there. I would not call him awful though.

- PT21


Gusty has looked terrible all series long against the Devils.
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

May 8 @ 8:32 PM ET
Defenseman in squirt level make a better decision. How is sending the puck back to the Goalie when a simple chip out of the zone is available, the safe play?
- MJL


The goalie could've simply covered up the puck. Bryzgalov did not need to make any pass. Clarkson had his stick ready to deflect any pass Timonen would make into the neutral zone, and only gave Timmonen a backhand outlet.

It was a smart play by Timmonen whether you admit it or not, and an absolutely stupid one by Bryz.
shonoff95
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Voorhees, NJ
Joined: 04.28.2008

May 8 @ 8:32 PM ET
Whether or not Timmonen should've passed it back to Bryz is debatable. What isn't is that Bryz had a ton of time. The man who peeled in on Bryz was the one on Timmonen, the only one in the Flyers zone. Bryz had the puck on his stick in plenty of time and plenty of options. He chose poorly. You think a poor stick handler would've tried the safe play instead of the fancy one. The goal is on Bryz.
- Flyers_01


Well said. Can't disagree with anything here.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

May 8 @ 8:32 PM ET
Defenseman in squirt level make a better decision. How is sending the puck back to the Goalie when a simple chip out of the zone is available, the safe play?
- MJL


He made a bad play. It happens, just like bad goals happen. Bryz could have bailed Kimmo out there by doing anything other than what he did. They're both culpable
guinness22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.26.2011

May 8 @ 8:32 PM ET
By no means was it clearly offsides.

Offsides, perhaps, but close enough that I couldn't really blame the linesman for the lack-of-call.

- 77rams


Were you watching the CBC feed here in Canada? Because it was clear. Not sure what NBC showed if that is what you were watching. Galley was pointing it out. Even the angle that CBC was showing live had me yelling at the TV OFFSIDE!

But whatever, Flyers need to overcome. Tough calls happen all the time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 8 @ 8:32 PM ET
I agree that Bryz isn't good at handling the puck, but Timonen wasn't exactly asking him to do a lot, just receive the puck and move it along...not try to put it through a Jersey player and have it go through his oh-so-accommodating 5 hole.
- wolfhounds


I disagree. Timonen put Bryzgalov in a very bad spot there. By that statement your expecting Bryzgalov to be able to cover up the 5 hole in that situation? Seriously.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 8 @ 8:32 PM ET
JVR had 3 minutes, least on the team by a good minute or 2. Wonder what's up with that...
- steelydan

he over skated a puck on a break out, lead to a turnover and devils cycle

after that he was benched?
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

May 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
Why do people seem so intent on placing blame on the Clarskon goal? How about you admit that Kimmo made a poor choice in playing it backwards, and Bryz made a poor decision in trying to put it through Clarkson's 5-hole. Both could've played it differently, but they didn't.....
_Zippy_
New Jersey Devils
Location: Threw one in front blocked the, NJ
Joined: 01.26.2012

May 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
He absolutely didn't have a ton of time. Bryzgalov was forced to make a split second decision. That goal is on Timonen. No doubt.
- MJL


Bryz could've covered the puck up too....? Did not need to play it, and had enough time to make a decision. He toyed with the puck, fake passed it, and then tried to move it through Clarkson. Watch a replay when it is shown. He had time.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
The goalie could've simply covered up the puck. Bryzgalov did not need to make any pass. Clarkson had his stick ready to deflect any pass Timonen would make into the neutral zone, and only gave Timmonen a backhand outlet.

It was a smart play by Timmonen whether you admit it or not, and an absolutely stupid one by Bryz.

- _Zippy_


Nope, a goaltender has to be the best puckhandlers of all time like Brodeur or Hextall to be able to make a play there.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

May 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
Gusty has looked terrible all series long against the Devils.
- KGBflyers10


He's been placed in a difficult situation. He's really not ready, but all available hands on deck.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

May 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
all this talk about whether it's Bryz's fault or Timo's fault is ridiculous.

They BOTH screwed up on the play. Timo should never had passed it back to a goalie who wouldn't know how to stick handle to save his life ... and Bryz should have just plopped the big glove right down on the sucker, and not try to out-Marty Marty.

Plenty of blame for both guys.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

May 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
He had 5 hits halfway through the period and he only got 1 more shift.
- canadianpenfan


That's just absurd. You see the energy level go up when he is on the ice. Double shift that freight train. If the Devils are going to win, make them feel it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
The goalie could've simply covered up the puck. Bryzgalov did not need to make any pass. Clarkson had his stick ready to deflect any pass Timonen would make into the neutral zone, and only gave Timmonen a backhand outlet.

It was a smart play by Timmonen whether you admit it or not, and an absolutely stupid one by Bryz.

- _Zippy_


Timonen made the worst choice he could of made. It was an absolutely bonehead play by Timonen.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

May 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
I know Bryz is not an amazing puckhandler, but as a defenseman, you gotta hope that your goalie can bail you out. When Timmonen hit it back to Clarkson, Clarkson was right on his ass. Clarkson had to skate from the blue line to Bryz, and Bryz had that time to make a smarter play. Hell, he could've put it in the corner.

What you can say is that maybe Timmonen didn't give him a good enough outlet pass, like if Timonen moved into the corner, Bryzgalov might've had a better passing lane, but regardless, to try to put a puck through an oncoming player is stupid.

- _Zippy_



I agree with this. Bryz had much more time to make a decision. He out-thought himself, and made a stupid play.

steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

May 8 @ 8:34 PM ET
he over skated a puck on a break out, lead to a turnover and devils cycle

after that he was benched?

- Marc D


Missed that. Thanks for the insight. I'll keep an eye out for him...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 8 @ 8:34 PM ET
Bryz could've covered the puck up too....? Did not need to play it, and had enough time to make a decision. He toyed with the puck, fake passed it, and then tried to move it through Clarkson. Watch a replay when it is shown. He had time.
- _Zippy_


He had to make a split second decision.
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