Voracek was in the corner as an outlet for Timonen which was proper. Hartnell was in front of the net, and went to go around the net incorrectly, leaving the slot unguarded.
- MJL

i saw him swing out from off camera and then to zubrus. i was like, oh, hey, there you are, thanks for participating.

i haven't gone back to rewatch that play, but if I remember correctly, Kimmo's decisionmaking was a headscratcher.
- wilsonecho91

Timonen had his check, but he lost the puck battle behind the net.

How often do you see this in hockey? Like at least 50% of the time it ends up going in. I felt it was going to happen too. Just like when we missed on not one, but two PP's in OT. It's almost a foregone conclusion it seems.
- rockychocbill

Liked how Briere got absolutely drilled from behind on that play, ends up on top of Brodeur for eternity and no call. Not that it matters.

He can tell them to stay there, doesn't mean they will. And it is part of Laviolette's system to support the puck in the defensive zone. We saw that in game 6 against the Pens. It's simply not being executed. There aren't any system changes that need to happen. That is not what the issue is.
- MJL

The Flyers poor defensive zone play against a good forechecking team is nothing new...see Rangers vs. Flyers .

I don't think these guys want to play D...they just want to run and gun

Are you serious no it doesn't go out the window just because they beat the pens.
The Pens have the same problem the flyers have. The flyers had defensive problems in the pens series as well.
Now that the heat is turned up and they are playing a team that can play a solid disciplined defensive game.
It's about composure at this time of the year. With all the young and inexperienced guys the guys you look to carry the load and lead by example are who exactly? Danny I won't check you Bro Briere?
Talbot, great guy to have but he doesn't have enough help. Hartnell, he should be better but doesn't have the skill set enough to carry a team. Jagr, need a say more. Giroux, he is getting blanketed and it's obvious the extra attention has him frustrated. At least he scored and had an assist last night.
- bird_dog

I was being facetious and embellishing on his sudden loss of composure, I'm sorry I contributed to any carpal tunnel you may be experiencing today sir.

Timonen had his check, but he lost the puck battle behind the net.
- MJL

Because he took a bad angle and got cut off from the puck right? I'll go rewatch so i'm not uninformed here.

I just remember back then being absolutely mystified as to wtf happened. Iirc the media was having a field day with the lindros return bs and that the team was revolting because he was back in the lineup. I'll never feed into that at all but I think the Devils just woke up and played NHL hockey being the better team they were all along. kinda like this situation here.
- JoeRussomanno

the flyers thought they had a gimme game 5 and got smacked in the mouth. lindros shows up for game 6 and was the best player on the ice. the rest of them kind of watched, and he came within less than half a second from giving them the lead at the end of the 2nd period. game 7 they came to play but it was a grindout slugfest of course with the 1st period KO. they should have won that series. this is very different now. the flyers could decided they give a poop, and impose their will and win game 5. if they can somehow manage to get this to a game 7 i'll be fine with whatever happens.

The Flyers poor defensive zone play against a good forechecking team is nothing new...see Rangers vs. Flyers .

I don't think these guys want to play D...they just want to run and gun
- Dkos

The problem is they sometimes don't play as a 5 man unit defensively. We've seen that they are capable of doing such as in the elimination game against the Pens. Such as on the Zubrus game winning goal, there is so much open ice around the net it's crazy. Teams like the Rangers crowd the dangerous areas and keep teams to the outside.

i haven't gone back to rewatch that play, but if I remember correctly, Kimmo's decisionmaking was a headscratcher.
- wilsonecho91

lost puck battle, and then no support. bing. bang. goal. awful.

the flyers thought they had a gimme game 5 and got smacked in the mouth. lindros shows up for game 6 and was the best player on the ice. the rest of them kind of watched, and he came within less than half a second from giving them the lead at the end of the 2nd period. game 7 they came to play but it was a grindout slugfest of course with the 1st period KO. they should have won that series. this is very different now. the flyers could decided they give a poop, and impose their will and win game 5. if they can somehow manage to get this to a game 7 i'll be fine with whatever happens.
- hammarby31

yup. Aw how different could the the last decade have been if they won that series. Please you debbie downers out there let a kid dream would ya!

Liked how Briere got absolutely drilled from behind on that play, ends up on top of Brodeur for eternity and no call. Not that it matters.
- wilsonecho91

with their pp, you never know. it's either brilliant, or really, really, really bad.

Because he took a bad angle and got cut off from the puck right? I'll go rewatch so i'm not uninformed here.
- wilsonecho91

I really can't blame Timonen there. Occasionally even the best defenseman is going to lose the puck. He wasn't as though he made a mental error or completely blew a coverage. There is supposed to be support. If the slot is covered there is no pass to make, and Timonen would have easily recovered and checked his man.

yup. Aw how different could the the last decade have been if they won that series. Please you debbie downers out there let a kid dream would ya!
- JoeRussomanno

that series loss is one of my top 3 all-time worst moments as a flyers fan. i'm still pissed off about it.

that series loss is one of my top 3 all-time worst moments as a flyers fan. i'm still pissed off about it.
- hammarby31

I can't about that kind of stuff right now, but it might be my all time worst yes. Losing to the caps in 88 hurt pretty bad too, not sure which one was worst, oh here we go. Stopping myself now

lost puck battle, and then no support. bing. bang. goal. awful.
- hammarby31

The part that is very surprising to me in this series is the Flyers inability to be physical.

The problem is they sometimes don't play as a 5 man unit defensively. We've seen that they are capable of doing such as in the elimination game against the Pens. Such as on the Zubrus game winning goal, there is so much open ice around the net it's crazy. Teams like the Rangers crowd the dangerous areas and keep teams to the outside.
- MJL

Exactly...poor team D. In my opinion, the elimation game against the Pens was the only good game they play in the playoffs this year. It's like watching Pee Wee hockey in the Flyers end. No one seems to know where to be...poor positional play...just chasing the puck. I love the Flyers's aggressive offensive style, but against some teams you just have to simplify, play sound positional team D, get it out of your end and then think offense.

I can't about that kind of stuff right now, but it might be my all time worst yes. Losing to the caps in 88 hurt pretty bad too, not sure which one was worst, oh here we go. Stopping myself now
- JoeRussomanno

good idea. anyway, yes, it would be something to see them return the favor. we can dream.

Exactly...poor team D. In my opinion, the elimation game against the Pens was the only good game they play in the playoffs this year. It's like watching Pee Wee hockey in the Flyers end. No one seems to know where to be...poor positional play...just chasing the puck. I love the Flyers's aggressive offensive style, but against some teams you just have to simplify, play sound positional team D, get it out of your end and then think offense.
- Dkos

If there's one fault I have with the Flyers defensive zone system it's that they have the defenseman go too high in man to man coverages. Teams are using that to draw defenseman away from the net. It opened up a cross ice pass for the Sykora PP goal. And it also opened up the ice for the Zubrus game winner. even though Hartnell completely blew the coverage. If your going to play that way, then each guy better cover a man, and not leave too early for transition play the other way. Which is what Hartnell tried to do. But Voracek was correctly positioned for an outlet for Timonen. But Kimmo lost the puck. And Hartnell was in no man's land.

The part that is very surprising to me in this series is the Flyers inability to be physical.
- stveshdy

I think they need to add some more size in the offseason. Jagr is a big guy but not a physical player. Guys like Simmonds and couturier could probably fill in a little bit. But really if you make smarter decisions with the puck it alleviates that advantage.

I was being facetious and embellishing on his sudden loss of composure, I'm sorry I contributed to any carpal tunnel you may be experiencing today sir.
- JoeRussomanno

My bad I meant to reply to steelydan.

The longer it takes the NHL to announce supplimentary discipline for Giroux, the more likely it is he gets suspended

The longer it takes the NHL to announce supplimentary discipline for Giroux, the more likely it is he gets suspended
- Jsaquella

I really hope it's just a fine. If he gets like 3 games or something, I will be furious. Weber and his turnbuckle head slam say hi.

The longer it takes the NHL to announce supplimentary discipline for Giroux, the more likely it is he gets suspended
- Jsaquella

ill say it---might be a good thing if g gets tossed for a game

I think they need to add some more size in the offseason. Jagr is a big guy but not a physical player. Guys like Simmonds and couturier could probably fill in a little bit. But really if you make smarter decisions with the puck it alleviates that advantage.
- JoeRussomanno

But Jagr until lately was a guy who won battles on the boards and was impossible to move off the puck. They don't necessarily need another guy who can hit. They need for the guys who can hit to hit and they need the guy with the giant thighs of power to play like himself.

If there's one fault I have with the Flyers defensive zone system it's that they have the defenseman go too high in man to man coverages. Teams are using that to draw defenseman away from the net. It opened up a cross ice pass for the Sykora PP goal. And it also opened up the ice for the Zubrus game winner. even though Hartnell completely blew the coverage. If your going to play that way, then each guy better cover a man, and not leave too early for transition play the other way. Which is what Hartnell tried to do. But Voracek was correctly positioned for an outlet for Timonen. But Kimmo lost the puck. And Hartnell was in no man's land.
- MJL

Other than Couturier and Talbot and sometimes Giroux which Flyers forwards are very good in their own end?