His proposal isn't that far fetched IMO. I'd be willing to part with our first, Dehaan, and either Nino or a prospect. The problem is DeHaan is not that highly touted as you can tell by how many people are willing to dump him, of course that may change. We just don't have the prospects to make that trade happen and Snow wouldn't want to give up what they needed in return(I'd hope not).
- Cptmjl

for the same reason why i wouldnt trade bailey, i wouldnt trade dehaan...their value is too low right now....

i wouldnt be willing to part with what the oilers would want for the #1 pick.

the way i see it, the difference between yakupov and whoever the islanders pick isnt dehaan AND nino...

i agree with that...i happen to think nail will be fine, i originally responded to SCLI who was willing to give up the farm for the guy...and very much agree that hamonic is just as untouchable as jt on this team
- LetsGoIsles

Your jumping to the wrong conclusion. Never said give up the farm. As I've always said. You have to give to get. Use your assets to strengthen your weaknesses. Is swapping our 4th for the 1st overall pick. Adding Dehaan, Nino, an additional pick and someone else from the organization giving up the farm?

I do agree that Travis is going to be very good for a long time and he is on my very short list of players that I would prefer not giving up. He, Strome and maybe Lee

But if we could get Nail for our 4th, Dehaan, Nino and say KO and a 2nd. I'd do it in a heart beat. I have to believe Nail will develop before Nino and be a better player to. So your really giving up DeHaan KO and a second. We cant overcome those guys? If we cant then our system is over rated.

One minute everyone is saying how piss poor our system really is. The next minute everyone is over evaluating everyone we have in the system.

No I havent seen Nail play in person. I didnt see JT or Stamkos or Crosby or Malkin or Mario or Gretzky before they became NHLers either.

Pittsburgh has proven that if you have a good goalie, 3 super forwards along with willing foot soldiers . You can win.

Aside from Strome, Travis and maybe Lee what player would you not part with for Nail? If we're loaded with talant as some say. Then no one will be missed. If they are over rated as others say. Then no loss, and they wont be missed either.

Left Wingers

Nino Niederreiter 8.0C
Johan Persson 7.0D
Jesse Joensuu 6.5D
Troy Mattila 5.0

Centers

Ryan Strome 8.0C
Casey Cizikas 6.5B
David Ullstrom 6.5B
Brock Nelson 7.0C
Anders Lee 7.5D
Jason Clark 6.5C
Johan Sundstrom 6.5C
Justin DiBenedetto 6.5C
Tomas Marcinko 6.0C
Tony Romano 6.5D
Corey Trivino 7.0F
Tyler McNeely 6.0D

Right Wingers

Kirill Kabanov 7.0C
Kirill Petrov 7.0D
Rhett Rakhshani 7.0D
Yannick Riendeau 4.0C

Defensemen

Calvin de Haan 7.0C
Matt Donovan 7.0C
Scott Mayfield 7.0C
Aaron Ness 6.5C
Ty Wishart 6.5C

Defensemen

Yuri Alexandrov 6.5C
Andrey Pedan 7.0D
Marc Cantin 6.5D
Mark Katic 6.5D
Anton Klementyev 6.0F

Goaltenders

Anders Nilsson 7.0C
Kevin Poulin 7.0C
Mikko Koskinen 7.0D
Cody Rosen 6.5D


Ryan Strome, C
Nino Niederreiter, LW
Calvin de Haan, D
Brock Nelson, C
Matt Donovan, D
Casey Cizikas, C
Anders Nilsson, G
Scott Mayfield, D
David Ullstrom, C
Kirill Kabanov, RW
Kevin Poulin, G
Anders Lee, C
Rhett Rakhshani, RW
Johan Sundstrom, C
Kirill Petrov, RW
Aaron Ness, D
Justin DiBenedetto, C
Ty Wishart, D


So who's indispensable?

9 of 13 draft picks from 2008 have played NHL games actually. Pretty good if you ask me. Only 8 for the Isles (Spurgeon).

And actually all picks, except one (Anders Lee), from Tavares' draft year have played at least one NHL game too.
- eichiefs9

I'm not knocking that draft but if it wasn't the Islanders I have a hard time believing some of those guys would've seen NHL ice, let alone this soon.

Your jumping to the wrong conclusion. Never said give up the farm. As I've always said. You have to give to get. Use your assets to strengthen your weaknesses. Is swapping our 4th for the 1st overall pick. Adding Dehaan, Nino, an additional pick and someone else from the organization giving up the farm?

I do agree that Travis is going to be very good for a long time and he is on my very short list of players that I would prefer not giving up. He, Strome and maybe Lee

But if we could get Nail for our 4th, Dehaan, Nino and say KO and a 2nd. I'd do it in a heart beat. I have to believe Nail will develop before Nino and be a better player to. So your really giving up DeHaan KO and a second. We cant overcome those guys? If we cant then our system is over rated.

One minute everyone is saying how piss poor our system really is. The next minute everyone is over evaluating everyone we have in the system.

No I havent seen Nail play in person. I didnt see JT or Stamkos or Crosby or Malkin or Mario or Gretzky before they became NHLers either.

Pittsburgh has proven that if you have a good goalie, 3 super forwards along with willing foot soldiers . You can win.

Aside from Strome, Travis and maybe Lee what player would you not part with for Nail? If we're loaded with talant as some say. Then no one will be missed. If they are over rated as others say. Then no loss, and they wont be missed either.

Left Wingers

Nino Niederreiter 8.0C
Johan Persson 7.0D
Jesse Joensuu 6.5D
Troy Mattila 5.0

Centers

Ryan Strome 8.0C
Casey Cizikas 6.5B
David Ullstrom 6.5B
Brock Nelson 7.0C
Anders Lee 7.5D
Jason Clark 6.5C
Johan Sundstrom 6.5C
Justin DiBenedetto 6.5C
Tomas Marcinko 6.0C
Tony Romano 6.5D
Corey Trivino 7.0F
Tyler McNeely 6.0D

Right Wingers

Kirill Kabanov 7.0C
Kirill Petrov 7.0D
Rhett Rakhshani 7.0D
Yannick Riendeau 4.0C

Defensemen

Calvin de Haan 7.0C
Matt Donovan 7.0C
Scott Mayfield 7.0C
Aaron Ness 6.5C
Ty Wishart 6.5C

Defensemen

Yuri Alexandrov 6.5C
Andrey Pedan 7.0D
Marc Cantin 6.5D
Mark Katic 6.5D
Anton Klementyev 6.0F

Goaltenders

Anders Nilsson 7.0C
Kevin Poulin 7.0C
Mikko Koskinen 7.0D
Cody Rosen 6.5D


Ryan Strome, C
Nino Niederreiter, LW
Calvin de Haan, D
Brock Nelson, C
Matt Donovan, D
Casey Cizikas, C
Anders Nilsson, G
Scott Mayfield, D
David Ullstrom, C
Kirill Kabanov, RW
Kevin Poulin, G
Anders Lee, C
Rhett Rakhshani, RW
Johan Sundstrom, C
Kirill Petrov, RW
Aaron Ness, D
Justin DiBenedetto, C
Ty Wishart, D


So who's indispensable?
- SCLI

Hey Dee, this is information that could looked upon as quality work.

not being fair to only bring up 3d round.. when they go Ullstrom, Matt Martin and Poulin in later rounds.
- niteislander

I was addressing Micks statement/inquiry regarding the 3rd Rd. So I limited my answer to the 3rd rd. Overall it was a pretty decent draft. But the 3rd round was an absolute disaster.

That Nino and our 4th pick is not as crazy as it sounds. They get the D-man they want (Murray with the 4th pick).. they get a big Forward prospect in Nino.. and I am guessing the Isles throw another pick in to get it done.

Arena- To me the Isles are obviously going to Quebec. If you can't read the writing on the wall here u are not looking.
Facts:
1.Isles tried for 10 years to get a new arena done in Long Island and couldn't
2. their lease runs out in 2015
3. Wang is stockpiling prospects and backloading sallaries
4. Quebec new 400 mill arena is done in 2015 that was started this year

Every decision Wang is making is keeping costs down with an eye on the future. This team will be GREAT in 2 years.. so Wang can sell it to quebec at the Maximum profit possible so he can recoup some of his losses. Barclays may be where they are for a few years... but stop kidding yourself if you think this team is staying here...
- niteislander

What if Phoenix is moved there first? That takes Quebec out of the running to take the Isles. If Phoenix is not going to stay put (and it doesn't look like they are) don't you think the league would rather sell the Coyotes to a buyer in Quebec and get the Coyotes off their bankroll than to have Wang sell a NY franchise and move it out of NY to Quebec?

Your jumping to the wrong conclusion. Never said give up the farm. As I've always said. You have to give to get. Use your assets to strengthen your weaknesses. Is swapping our 4th for the 1st overall pick. Adding Dehaan, Nino, an additional pick and someone else from the organization giving up the farm?

I do agree that Travis is going to be very good for a long time and he is on my very short list of players that I would prefer not giving up. He, Strome and maybe Lee

But if we could get Nail for our 4th, Dehaan, Nino and say KO and a 2nd. I'd do it in a heart beat. I have to believe Nail will develop before Nino and be a better player to. So your really giving up DeHaan KO and a second. We cant overcome those guys? If we cant then our system is over rated.

One minute everyone is saying how piss poor our system really is. The next minute everyone is over evaluating everyone we have in the system.

No I havent seen Nail play in person. I didnt see JT or Stamkos or Crosby or Malkin or Mario or Gretzky before they became NHLers either.

Pittsburgh has proven that if you have a good goalie, 3 super forwards along with willing foot soldiers . You can win.

Aside from Strome, Travis and maybe Lee what player would you not part with for Nail? If we're loaded with talant as some say. Then no one will be missed. If they are over rated as others say. Then no loss, and they wont be missed either.

Left Wingers

Nino Niederreiter 8.0C
Johan Persson 7.0D
Jesse Joensuu 6.5D
Troy Mattila 5.0

Centers

Ryan Strome 8.0C
Casey Cizikas 6.5B
David Ullstrom 6.5B
Brock Nelson 7.0C
Anders Lee 7.5D
Jason Clark 6.5C
Johan Sundstrom 6.5C
Justin DiBenedetto 6.5C
Tomas Marcinko 6.0C
Tony Romano 6.5D
Corey Trivino 7.0F
Tyler McNeely 6.0D

Right Wingers

Kirill Kabanov 7.0C
Kirill Petrov 7.0D
Rhett Rakhshani 7.0D
Yannick Riendeau 4.0C

Defensemen

Calvin de Haan 7.0C
Matt Donovan 7.0C
Scott Mayfield 7.0C
Aaron Ness 6.5C
Ty Wishart 6.5C

Defensemen

Yuri Alexandrov 6.5C
Andrey Pedan 7.0D
Marc Cantin 6.5D
Mark Katic 6.5D
Anton Klementyev 6.0F

Goaltenders

Anders Nilsson 7.0C
Kevin Poulin 7.0C
Mikko Koskinen 7.0D
Cody Rosen 6.5D


Ryan Strome, C
Nino Niederreiter, LW
Calvin de Haan, D
Brock Nelson, C
Matt Donovan, D
Casey Cizikas, C
Anders Nilsson, G
Scott Mayfield, D
David Ullstrom, C
Kirill Kabanov, RW
Kevin Poulin, G
Anders Lee, C
Rhett Rakhshani, RW
Johan Sundstrom, C
Kirill Petrov, RW
Aaron Ness, D
Justin DiBenedetto, C
Ty Wishart, D


So who's indispensable?
- SCLI

The two not on that list are indispensable, Hamonic and Taveras(its incredible, I can't remember an Islander team where I didn't care if every single player on the team got traded besides two? lol). You were right the first time. Unfortunately I would think Hamonic would definitely need to be part of the deal to make it happen. So in other words, no way. I'd be all for DeHaan, Nino and our first unfortunately I really don't think Edmonton would bite?

What if Phoenix is moved there first? That takes Quebec out of the running to take the Isles. If Phoenix is not going to stay put (and it doesn't look like they are) don't you think the league would rather sell the Coyotes to a buyer in Quebec and get the Coyotes off their bankroll than to have Wang sell a NY franchise and move it out of NY to Quebec?
- Jethro09

Phoenix is staying put. Jamison finalized his deal for them last week (or around then. Recently.) and said he has no intention of moving the team and that he wants them to stay in Phoenix.

I was addressing Micks statement/inquiry regarding the 3rd Rd. So I limited my answer to the 3rd rd. Overall it was a pretty decent draft. But the 3rd round was an absolute disaster.
- SCLI

agreed.. as was our first pick in second round.. is that guy still even playing hockey?

Long Island boy.. MCA from Beastie boys passed.

Hey Dee, this is information that could looked upon as quality work.
- bixll

I wish SCLI wrote the blogs, whadda ya say?

What if Phoenix is moved there first? That takes Quebec out of the running to take the Isles. If Phoenix is not going to stay put (and it doesn't look like they are) don't you think the league would rather sell the Coyotes to a buyer in Quebec and get the Coyotes off their bankroll than to have Wang sell a NY franchise and move it out of NY to Quebec?
- Jethro09

to me there are just tooooo many coincidences. I don't believe in those when it comes to business and the NHL is a business first and foremost. As soon as I heard Quebec was building and Arena and it would be done the same year we are able to jump ship... like I said the writing on the wall is right there.. read it.

That vote failing was the end of the Isles on Long Island (I know XX will vehemently disagree with this... but it seems pretty obvious if you are honest with yourself).

I wish SCLI wrote the blogs, whadda ya say?
- Cptmjl

I vote Yes.

Your jumping to the wrong conclusion. Never said give up the farm. As I've always said. You have to give to get. Use your assets to strengthen your weaknesses. Is swapping our 4th for the 1st overall pick. Adding Dehaan, Nino, an additional pick and someone else from the organization giving up the farm?

I do agree that Travis is going to be very good for a long time and he is on my very short list of players that I would prefer not giving up. He, Strome and maybe Lee

But if we could get Nail for our 4th, Dehaan, Nino and say KO and a 2nd. I'd do it in a heart beat. I have to believe Nail will develop before Nino and be a better player to. So your really giving up DeHaan KO and a second. We cant overcome those guys? If we cant then our system is over rated.

One minute everyone is saying how piss poor our system really is. The next minute everyone is over evaluating everyone we have in the system.

No I havent seen Nail play in person. I didnt see JT or Stamkos or Crosby or Malkin or Mario or Gretzky before they became NHLers either.

Pittsburgh has proven that if you have a good goalie, 3 super forwards along with willing foot soldiers . You can win.

Aside from Strome, Travis and maybe Lee what player would you not part with for Nail? If we're loaded with talant as some say. Then no one will be missed. If they are over rated as others say. Then no loss, and they wont be missed either.

Left Wingers

Nino Niederreiter 8.0C
Johan Persson 7.0D
Jesse Joensuu 6.5D
Troy Mattila 5.0

Centers

Ryan Strome 8.0C
Casey Cizikas 6.5B
David Ullstrom 6.5B
Brock Nelson 7.0C
Anders Lee 7.5D
Jason Clark 6.5C
Johan Sundstrom 6.5C
Justin DiBenedetto 6.5C
Tomas Marcinko 6.0C
Tony Romano 6.5D
Corey Trivino 7.0F
Tyler McNeely 6.0D

Right Wingers

Kirill Kabanov 7.0C
Kirill Petrov 7.0D
Rhett Rakhshani 7.0D
Yannick Riendeau 4.0C

Defensemen

Calvin de Haan 7.0C
Matt Donovan 7.0C
Scott Mayfield 7.0C
Aaron Ness 6.5C
Ty Wishart 6.5C

Defensemen

Yuri Alexandrov 6.5C
Andrey Pedan 7.0D
Marc Cantin 6.5D
Mark Katic 6.5D
Anton Klementyev 6.0F

Goaltenders

Anders Nilsson 7.0C
Kevin Poulin 7.0C
Mikko Koskinen 7.0D
Cody Rosen 6.5D


Ryan Strome, C
Nino Niederreiter, LW
Calvin de Haan, D
Brock Nelson, C
Matt Donovan, D
Casey Cizikas, C
Anders Nilsson, G
Scott Mayfield, D
David Ullstrom, C
Kirill Kabanov, RW
Kevin Poulin, G
Anders Lee, C
Rhett Rakhshani, RW
Johan Sundstrom, C
Kirill Petrov, RW
Aaron Ness, D
Justin DiBenedetto, C
Ty Wishart, D


So who's indispensable?
- SCLI

--- youd honestly consider that???

-- and whoever they draft at 4...

-- i assume JT is included in that as well...

what youre proposing is a drastic overpayment...whether they could recover from it or not isnt really the point....warren buffet would be an idiot to pay a million dollars for a 100,000 car...not because he cant afford the to pay the million, its just not the correct value

I'm not knocking that draft but if it wasn't the Islanders I have a hard time believing some of those guys would've seen NHL ice, let alone this soon.
- Cptmjl

Definitely a fair point, a lot of guys only got to play due to injuries and the need for call-ups. But most of them would be at worst good prospects on any other team. Bailey, Hammer, Martin, and Spurgeon are all current NHL regulars. Ullstrom, Donovan and Poulin are all solid prospects. Petrov is a super talented player, his only real knock is his crappy contract/contract-extension. I personally hate DiBo, but some like his potential to be a pest. Niemi and Toews turned out to be trash and Trivino is a rapist, although in all fairness to him I think the rape charges got dropped.

Nail would end up costing you Hammy. That could be a bigger lose than any other player to this team. He is the future on this d line..

The Russian scare me these days. It is too easy for them to say hell with this and go back to Russia, to a larger contract and leave the NHL team high and dry.
- bixll

Hello brother. I cant say that I disagree with you. Russians are gambles. Even Russians that swear they want to play in the NHL. And I love Travis as much as any Isles fan. I'd hate to see him go. I really believe that if the Oilers want to trade their pick that we have as good a chance as any team to acquire the pick with out mortgaging our future.
Ever since MM screwed up our team and our future. To many fans are afraid to pull the trigger on any deal if it includes a young player and a prospect.
But...

All the guys have been complaining that there has been nothing to talk about.

Well???? We're talking now.

Hey Dee, this is information that could looked upon as quality work.
- bixll

its a losing battle with her...lets just hope she doesnt write new blogs...well take it from there

Your jumping to the wrong conclusion. Never said give up the farm. As I've always said. You have to give to get. Use your assets to strengthen your weaknesses. Is swapping our 4th for the 1st overall pick. Adding Dehaan, Nino, an additional pick and someone else from the organization giving up the farm?

I do agree that Travis is going to be very good for a long time and he is on my very short list of players that I would prefer not giving up. He, Strome and maybe Lee

But if we could get Nail for our 4th, Dehaan, Nino and say KO and a 2nd. I'd do it in a heart beat. I have to believe Nail will develop before Nino and be a better player to. So your really giving up DeHaan KO and a second. We cant overcome those guys? If we cant then our system is over rated.

One minute everyone is saying how piss poor our system really is. The next minute everyone is over evaluating everyone we have in the system.

No I havent seen Nail play in person. I didnt see JT or Stamkos or Crosby or Malkin or Mario or Gretzky before they became NHLers either.

Pittsburgh has proven that if you have a good goalie, 3 super forwards along with willing foot soldiers . You can win.

Aside from Strome, Travis and maybe Lee what player would you not part with for Nail? If we're loaded with talant as some say. Then no one will be missed. If they are over rated as others say. Then no loss, and they wont be missed either.

Left Wingers

Nino Niederreiter 8.0C
Johan Persson 7.0D
Jesse Joensuu 6.5D
Troy Mattila 5.0

Centers

Ryan Strome 8.0C
Casey Cizikas 6.5B
David Ullstrom 6.5B
Brock Nelson 7.0C
Anders Lee 7.5D
Jason Clark 6.5C
Johan Sundstrom 6.5C
Justin DiBenedetto 6.5C
Tomas Marcinko 6.0C
Tony Romano 6.5D
Corey Trivino 7.0F
Tyler McNeely 6.0D

Right Wingers

Kirill Kabanov 7.0C
Kirill Petrov 7.0D
Rhett Rakhshani 7.0D
Yannick Riendeau 4.0C

Defensemen

Calvin de Haan 7.0C
Matt Donovan 7.0C
Scott Mayfield 7.0C
Aaron Ness 6.5C
Ty Wishart 6.5C

Defensemen

Yuri Alexandrov 6.5C
Andrey Pedan 7.0D
Marc Cantin 6.5D
Mark Katic 6.5D
Anton Klementyev 6.0F

Goaltenders

Anders Nilsson 7.0C
Kevin Poulin 7.0C
Mikko Koskinen 7.0D
Cody Rosen 6.5D


Ryan Strome, C
Nino Niederreiter, LW
Calvin de Haan, D
Brock Nelson, C
Matt Donovan, D
Casey Cizikas, C
Anders Nilsson, G
Scott Mayfield, D
David Ullstrom, C
Kirill Kabanov, RW
Kevin Poulin, G
Anders Lee, C
Rhett Rakhshani, RW
Johan Sundstrom, C
Kirill Petrov, RW
Aaron Ness, D
Justin DiBenedetto, C
Ty Wishart, D


So who's indispensable?
- SCLI

Sorry, but that's a Mike Milbury trade. No chance I'd trade that to move up 3 spots. Yea, Nail is a highly touted prospect and will probably be a very good player, but I'm not mortgaging the future on something that isn't a sure-shot. We will get a perfectly good player at #4 without having to give up all that.

--- youd honestly consider that???

-- and whoever they draft at 4...

-- i assume JT is included in that as well...

what youre proposing is a drastic overpayment...whether they could recover from it or not isnt really the point....warren buffet would be an idiot to pay a million dollars for a 100,000 car...not because he cant afford the to pay the million, its just not the correct value
- LetsGoIsles

Now I know your not even reading my posts.

So I'll not even comment.

Hello brother. I cant say that I disagree with you. Russians are gambles. Even Russians that swear they want to play in the NHL. And I love Travis as much as any Isles fan. I'd hate to see him go. I really believe that if the Oilers want to trade their pick that we have as good a chance as any team to acquire the pick with out mortgaging our future.
Ever since MM screwed up our team and our future. To many fans are afraid to pull the trigger on any deal if it includes a young player and a prospect.
But...

All the guys have been complaining that there has been nothing to talk about.

Well???? We're talking now.


- SCLI

The heart comes into question too often with these guys. Drives me crazy. We block shots and back check in our beer league for fun and because we don't want to hear from the guys on the bench. I can not believe that the boys on the Nashville bench was not going out of their minds with the way Radulov has been playing...

As for trading, over paying, drafting,,,,,, whatever. You really never know how things will turn out. All you can do is try to put the best players that you have for those positions in the best position to fail and hope they succeed.

No player can truly prosper without being put in the position to fail.

I wish SCLI wrote the blogs, whadda ya say?
- Cptmjl

Of course..

Sorry, but that's a Mike Milbury trade. No chance I'd trade that to move up 3 spots. Yea, Nail is a highly touted prospect and will probably be a very good player, but I'm not mortgaging the future on something that isn't a sure-shot. We will get a perfectly good player at #4 without having to give up all that.
- eichiefs9

Maybe.

Who have I suggested in a trade that is a sure shot for us? DeHaan? KO? NINO?

Who's available at #4 that's not a gamble?

We've been stock piling draft picks for 5 years now. This draft and a prospect is gonna mortgage our future? I dont think so.

Yes its a gamble. The draft is a gamble. I think its time Snow roll the dice and show some Balls.

He hasnt exactly been taking the NHL by storm the past 5 yrs.

Maybe I am a bit to gun-ho. But the waiting game is getting OLD.

Now I know your not even reading my posts.

So I'll not even comment.
- SCLI

except for not previously seeing him play before he was drafted, was john tavares mentioned in that post?

Definitely a fair point, a lot of guys only got to play due to injuries and the need for call-ups. But most of them would be at worst good prospects on any other team. Bailey, Hammer, Martin, and Spurgeon are all current NHL regulars. Ullstrom, Donovan and Poulin are all solid prospects. Petrov is a super talented player, his only real knock is his crappy contract/contract-extension. I personally hate DiBo, but some like his potential to be a pest. Niemi and Toews turned out to be trash and Trivino is a rapist, although in all fairness to him I think the rape charges got dropped.
- eichiefs9

"and Trivino is a rapist" btw the charges got dropped

Now I know your not even reading my posts.

So I'll not even comment.
- SCLI

im not here for an argument...if you dont want to respond to my comment then so be it but dont start poop up for no reason

Now I know your not even reading my posts.

So I'll not even comment.
- SCLI

I agree with his point though.. .u are giving up waaaaay too many guys. While your correct in your statement that none of those guys are sure fire home runs. To assume that one of them will not work out to be a very very good NHL player is equally true. yes some of those guys may end up being busts, but to assume ALL of them could be busts would be folly. It is a very Milbury like trade.