Hemsky probably wouldn't have gotten that contract on the open market.
- Sabata

eh im sure there may have been at least one other team to take a chance on his potential. hemsky does have a lot of talent. im not trying to totally bash on the guy. lik i said, i can see why you guys value yakupov and what he brings. i just think its unfair that a lot of oil fans cant see why jordan staal is vaued so highly as well.

Hemsky probably wouldn't have gotten that contract on the open market.
- Sabata

on the open market... he probably could have gotten that much for longer or more coin for the same term. I don't see Hemsky (any more) as a go-to guy in the playoffs due to... well... watching the playoffs, but there are 10 bottom feeders who would love to have an exciting player for their fans to watch while missing the playoffs.

eh im sure there may have been at least one other team to take a chance on his potential. hemsky does have a lot of talent. im not trying to totally bash on the guy. lik i said, i can see why you guys value yakupov and what he brings. i just think its unfair that a lot of oil fans cant see why jordan staal is vaued so highly as well.
- stayinthefnnet

+1
Anybody watching this playoffs? Seems that the 3rd and 4th liners are most likely to be the game-changers.
That being said, I would totally swap the #1 for Staal+, say, a 2nd rounder... if not for the contract situation. Staal might not want to re-sign in Edmonton, and that would set our franchise back immensely.
(To those Oilers fans who think I'm full of it... I honestly believe Stu has about a ~50% chance to turn a 2nd round pick into a quality prospect. God bless you, Stu... if only you didn't sometimes make it look like Tambi and Lowe aren't terrible at their jobs).

+1
Anybody watching this playoffs? Seems that the 3rd and 4th liners are most likely to be the game-changers.
That being said, I would totally swap the #1 for Staal+, say, a 2nd rounder... if not for the contract situation. Staal might not want to re-sign in Edmonton, and that would set our franchise back immensely.
(To those Oilers fans who think I'm full of it... I honestly believe Stu has about a ~50% chance to turn a 2nd round pick into a quality prospect. God bless you, Stu... if only you didn't sometimes make it look like Tambi and Lowe aren't terrible at their jobs).
- thefullnelson

im still keeping an eye on them. it makes it all the more difficult to see that teams willing to play some disciplined hockey are winning. haha if only...

Daigle

Wow, the respose to my reasonable post was a bunch of oiler fans circlejerkin'
For the oilers, it doesn't make sense to trade the pick for staal because of potential. for pittsburgh, doesn't make sense to trade staal for the pick. edmonton would be overvaluing an unknown asset if the asked for more than a known quality player. pittsburgh would be overvaluing staal if they asked for more than the pick. I wouldn't trade staal for a ? unless a known value was coming back though... keep the pick, the other ones have translated to post season success so far anyway

Wow, the respose to my reasonable post was a bunch of oiler fans circlejerkin'
For the oilers, it doesn't make sense to trade the pick for staal because of potential. for pittsburgh, doesn't make sense to trade staal for the pick. edmonton would be overvaluing an unknown asset if the asked for more than a known quality player. pittsburgh would be overvaluing staal if they asked for more than the pick. I wouldn't trade staal for a ? unless a known value was coming back though... keep the pick, the other ones have translated to post season success so far anyway
- ChrisMS

Staal isnt worth the #1 overall pick.

agreed, but the # one pick isn't worth staal either

agreed, but the # one pick isn't worth staal either
- ChrisMS

Dunno about that.

agreed, but the # one pick isn't worth staal either
- ChrisMS

Sry but you guys overrate him a tad methinks.

Sry but you guys overrate him a tad methinks.
- GuyLaDouche

A tad- he is a (frank)ing 2nd/3rd line center... get over the Staal trade proposals Pen Fans you obviously want the moon and stars and we obviously want to keep the potential future Bure... as any GM in our position would die to draft...

Sry but you guys overrate him a tad methinks.
- GuyLaDouche

i think hes more implying what staal means to the pens team how it is currently established. while a 40 goal winger would help anyone, scoring was obviously not a problem for the team. they need size and defense, which staal has. both staal and the pick are worth more to their current owner than they would be to the other.

as someone overwhelmingly lucky enough to watch crasby malkin, and in the recent past, lemieux and jagr, I don't really think I am over rating staal. I wasn't kidding when I said that I think the pens lose more overall if they trade staal over crosby or malkin (although if anyone could figure out how to keep all 3 it would be shero). stanley cup winning teams need players like staal. He was the best player at the end of the season and their best player in the first series (only player who played better in that series was girioux). Its admirable you guys would like more in return for your asset, but I wouldn't do a straight up trade without worrying about getting ripped off

eh im sure there may have been at least one other team to take a chance on his potential. hemsky does have a lot of talent. im not trying to totally bash on the guy. lik i said, i can see why you guys value yakupov and what he brings. i just think its unfair that a lot of oil fans cant see why jordan staal is vaued so highly as well.
- stayinthefnnet

He has value, but he's not fetching you guys Yakupov.

I'd actually throw Gagner + PRV your way for him (if he agreed to an extension of course).

Sry but you guys overrate him a tad methinks.
- GuyLaDouche

Just had like 120K pointson ME3 ^_^

agreed, but the # one pick isn't worth staal either
- ChrisMS

I'm willing to bet 90% of the GMs would disagree with you there.

He has value, but he's not fetching you guys Yakupov.

I'd actually throw Gagner + PRV your way for him (if he agreed to an extension of course).
- laughs2907

thats just my point. i wouldnt expect you guys to toss us yakupov. i am unsure of if that would even help the pens current team much, trading staal for yakupov. but for the record, how you feel about moving yakupov for staal is how i would feel about moving staal for gagner and prv

I'm willing to bet 90% of the GMs would disagree with you there.
- laughs2907

maybe on those teams, yakupov would help a lot more than staal would. if you are a goal hungry team, someone who could potentially be a 40 goal scorer is a tough thing to pass up. however, on the pens, what staal brings is what they need more of, rather than what yakupov brings.

had to google what prv was... Don't really want your castoffs. A player that couldn't make the line up of one of the last place teams and a guy who minus one game was mediocre at best. nah...

as someone overwhelmingly lucky enough to watch crasby malkin, and in the recent past, lemieux and jagr, I don't really think I am over rating staal. I wasn't kidding when I said that I think the pens lose more overall if they trade staal over crosby or malkin (although if anyone could figure out how to keep all 3 it would be shero). stanley cup winning teams need players like staal. He was the best player at the end of the season and their best player in the first series (only player who played better in that series was girioux). Its admirable you guys would like more in return for your asset, but I wouldn't do a straight up trade without worrying about getting ripped off
- ChrisMS

True but the dude is kinda glass - not hemsky-like glass but close... and only had 1x 50pt season and 2x 49pts... out of 6 seasons thus far... I get he had a good playoff this year but he is having problems playing all season- much like hemsky... and hemsky's stats topped 70pts... all things considered Gags has a better pt average in 5 seasons than Staal in 6... and yes I know sam is like 5'11" and staal is 6'4" but which player played on a way better team their entire career... (frank) gags had cogliano as a linemate...

True but the dude is kinda glass - not hemsky-like glass but close... and only had 1x 50pt season and 2x 49pts... out of 6 seasons thus far... I get he had a good playoff this year but he is having problems playing all season- much like hemsky... and hemsky's stats topped 70pts... all things considered Gags has a better pt average in 5 seasons than Staal in 6... and yes I know sam is like 5'11" and staal is 6'4" but which player played on a way better team their entire career... (frank) gags had cogliano as a linemate...
- saskoil21

im sorry but if you look at the course of his career, staal is not glass. not all injuries are created equal. getting sliced by a skate and missing a large portion for that is not the same as having chronically troublesome shoulders. if you want to say staal is not a 50 goal threat, im all for it, as he never will be. but the dude is certainly not glass. prior to those bad breaks he had 4 years where he missed a total of like 3 games

his stats agree with you about the injurys, but realistically his injuries have been kinda odd. Its not one repeating injury. being sliced by a skate, a bone infection, etc. and one can't use his goal point totals. He has played behind 2 of the best centers in the league for those years, one can't say he would put up the same numbers if he had more ice / pwerplay time. and he is just coming into his prime years at 23 years

im sorry but if you look at the course of his career, staal is not glass. not all injuries are created equal. getting sliced by a skate and missing a large portion for that is not the same as having chronically troublesome shoulders. if you want to say staal is not a 50 goal threat, im all for it, as he never will be. but the dude is certainly not glass. prior to those bad breaks he had 4 years where he missed a total of like 3 games
- stayinthefnnet

My bad... just the last couple years... I am not sure about you but one hopes its not the start of things...

My bad... just the last couple years... I am not sure about you but one hopes its not the start of things...
- saskoil21

no problem. i understand if you dont know the actual injuries all you see is missed games and they are what they are. you never know what could happen, but i would not put him at a higher injury risk than your average player.

i dont think he is ever going to be a regular 90 to 100 point producer, but i dont see why he wouldnt be a regular 35 goal, 70 point player who plays outstanding defense. those are the types of players you win with.