OK OK OK...

Hall + RNH + Eberle + 2012 1st overall + 2013 1st round pick + 2014 1st round pick + 2015 1st round pick + 2016 1st round pick + 2017 1st round pick + 2018 1st round pick + 2019 1st round pick + 2020 1st round pick + 2021 1st round pick + 2022 1st round pick + Katz' first born son + 80% ownership of Rexall + $750,000,000 + Wayne Gretzky's daughter.

For

Staal.
- laughs2907

No deal. Selke nominee. STUPID.

No ... because Staal is a much better two way player than Connolly was at that juncture of his career. Connolly was never a Selke nominee. Not even close. He didn't really have that great defensive component to his game. Staal's injuries are more flukey type stuff as opposed to Connelly having more serious ailments.
- Oneonta Penguin

And Yakupov is a far more highly regarded prospect than Staal was.

the point is, you don't take one year of a proven guy over potentially a career of a guy with a higher ceiling. It's not fair value. Especially if we're made to add a prospect.

I think you already bottomed out. You're good.
- GuyLaDouche

Thank god

We might be overvaluing Staal because we have seen him play so many times and know his value. It's no different than people overvaluing Yakupov. Is he truly a given to be a star? Nope. All I hear is he has the potential. Well, Patrick Stefan had the potential; Rick DiPietro had the potential. This kid isn't a sure fire star in the making like Crosby was. Who the hell is saying that Edmonton needs to add here? It's just as ridiculous as Edmonton fans saying Despres or Morrow need to be added to Staal to get the number one pick.

There isn't a match here. Time to move on.
- Oneonta Penguin

The one thing i can say is Staal is not a "star" or at least what my idea of a star is, I wouldn't trade a potential star for a good two way center which is what Staal is, a decent second line center and a great third line center. Its moronic and to think that Tambelini would have to sweeten the pot is borderline nuts.

The one thing i can say is Staal is not a "star" or at least what my idea of a star is, I wouldn't trade a potential star for a good two way center which is what Staal is, a decent second line center and a great third line center. Its moronic and to think that Tambelini would have to sweeten the pot is borderline nuts.
- Cptmjl

And again, there's a ginormous difference between Staal signed for 5 years at a reasonable cap hit and Staal who will be a UFA in a year's time. It's such a great difference that it almost completely eclipses the value of a player. The contract is pretty much the entirety of the matter.

OK OK OK...

Hall + RNH + Eberle + 2012 1st overall + 2013 1st round pick + 2014 1st round pick + 2015 1st round pick + 2016 1st round pick + 2017 1st round pick + 2018 1st round pick + 2019 1st round pick + 2020 1st round pick + 2021 1st round pick + 2022 1st round pick + Katz' first born son + 80% ownership of Rexall + $750,000,000 + Wayne Gretzky's daughter.

For

Staal.
- laughs2907

If you ask me you guys are overpaying with Gretzky's daughter

(frank) the Flames are stupid.

James Mirtle ‏ @mirtle

Flames have signed centre Roman Cervenka to a one-year deal for $3.775-million. Was in the KHL and they believe he can be top six in NHL.

(frank) the Flames are stupid.

James Mirtle ‏ @mirtle

Flames have signed centre Roman Cervenka to a one-year deal for $3.775-million. Was in the KHL and they believe he can be top six in NHL.
- Lahey

Lol, yeah Feaster is a genius.

If you ask me you guys are overpaying with Gretzky's daughter
- Cptmjl

yeah I hear she's slept with a lot of Selke Nominees.

(frank) the Flames are stupid.

James Mirtle ‏ @mirtle

Flames have signed centre Roman Cervenka to a one-year deal for $3.775-million. Was in the KHL and they believe he can be top six in NHL.
- Lahey

Seriously? I missed this one. Was tied up this morning. Roman who?

Lol, yeah Feaster is a genius.
- GuyLaDouche

Next up Robert Rosen or Nicklas Danielsson?

And Yakupov is a far more highly regarded prospect than Staal was.

the point is, you don't take one year of a proven guy over potentially a career of a guy with a higher ceiling. It's not fair value. Especially if we're made to add a prospect.
- Morris

So, we are now going back six or seven years to compare prospect rankings as ammo? One is proven in the NHL, while the other isn't. I'm not one for going with the guy people who says has the potential to be a superstar (one that hasn't played a single game in the NHL or KHL) over a 23-year old who has proven to be one of the best two-way forwards in the game today. Hell, he was two years into his professional career.

No, Pittsburgh shouldn't have to have Edmonton to add a prospect - same with Edmonton fans clamering that Pittsburgh needs to add something - especially seeing the names of Despres, Morrow, Harrington or Bennett. That isn't fair value either.

Ryan Leaf was a far more highly regarded prospect than Cam Newton. How did that turn out?

We can go on with this song and dance forever. Its pointless because there isn't a match.

Seriously? I missed this one. Was tied up this morning. Roman who?
- Maxbone

From the KHL. Played on Jagr's team and was the team's best player. He's a guy that is worth taking a risk on, just not at that type of money. For Feaster's sake I sure hope that it's all bonuses and that you can go over the cap with bonuses in the new CBA.

Lol, yeah Feaster is a genius.
- GuyLaDouche

Come on. That's not fair. Cervenka scored a really good clip. Last year. When Jagr was passing to him.

From the KHL. Played on Jagr's team and was the team's best player. He's a guy that is worth taking a risk on, just not at that type of money. For Feaster's sake I sure hope that it's all bonuses and that you can go over the cap with bonuses in the new CBA.
- Lahey

Signing the guy is fine. He hasn't played a day in the NHL yet. $2mil or less would make sense. Nearly $4mil? Ridiculous.

So, we are now going back six or seven years to compare prospect rankings as ammo? One is proven in the NHL, while the other isn't. I'm not one for going with the guy people who says has the potential to be a superstar (one that hasn't played a single game in the NHL or KHL) over a 23-year old who has proven to be one of the best two-way forwards in the game today. Hell, he was two years into his professional career.

No, Pittsburgh shouldn't have to have Edmonton to add a prospect - same with Edmonton fans clamering that Pittsburgh needs to add something - especially seeing the names of Despres, Morrow, Harrington or Bennett. That isn't fair value either.

Ryan Leaf was a far more highly regarded prospect than Cam Newton. How did that turn out?

We can go on with this song and dance forever. Its pointless because there isn't a match.
- Oneonta Penguin

Leaf and Newton? Wtf? That's a comaprison out of left field.....huh?...

Come on. That's not fair. Cervenka scored a really good clip. Last year. When Jagr was passing to him.
- Morris

Him and Stajan should get along well.

So, we are now going back six or seven years to compare prospect rankings as ammo? One is proven in the NHL, while the other isn't. I'm not one for going with the guy people who says has the potential to be a superstar (one that hasn't played a single game in the NHL or KHL) over a 23-year old who has proven to be one of the best two-way forwards in the game today. Hell, he was two years into his professional career.

No, Pittsburgh shouldn't have to have Edmonton to add a prospect - same with Edmonton fans clamering that Pittsburgh needs to add something - especially seeing the names of Despres, Morrow, Harrington or Bennett. That isn't fair value either.

Ryan Leaf was a far more highly regarded prospect than Cam Newton. How did that turn out?

We can go on with this song and dance forever. Its pointless because there isn't a match.
- Oneonta Penguin

Well good thing the people who brought up Yakupov + for Staal have mysteriously disappeared.

There's this really weird fatalism though that Staal was destined to be a two-way behemoth when he was a draft pick and that Yakupov is as likely to be Daigle as he is a player of note.

If it can be called "taking a chance" on a draft pick, it's perfectly understandable that you wouldn't have flipped the Staal pick for a young talent in 2006. It's not unreasonable for us to be set on thinking the same way now.

I'm not claiming there's a match. I can't defend anyone else's trade proposals. I'm just saying "Player X is proven and Player Y, no matter how intensely scouted, is 'just' a prospect and therefore dismissable" does not qualify for intelligent hockey discourse.

And I find it a bit rich that you start by admonishing me for my Yakupov-Staal comparison and end by comparing quarterbacks - a different sport! - drafted more than a decade apart.

Leaf and Newton? Wtf? That's a comaprison out of left field.....huh?...
- GuyLaDouche

Whether its hockey or football or baseball or basketball, the point is the same. It's not too hard to figure out. If you need someone to explain it to you, ask your six year old kid.

Signing the guy is fine. He hasn't played a day in the NHL yet. $2mil or less would make sense. Nearly $4mil? Ridiculous.
- Maxbone

It must be the same deal that RNH got, except one year. Which if you think of it isn't that bad, but not (frank)ing good either.

Whether its hockey or football or baseball or basketball, the point is the same. It's not too hard to figure out. If you need someone to explain it to you, ask your six year old kid.
- Oneonta Penguin

don't worry spatso will be here soon.

Whether its hockey or football or baseball or basketball, the point is the same. It's not too hard to figure out. If you need someone to explain it to you, ask your six year old kid.
- Oneonta Penguin

Most important thing is that you question people's intelligence when you get worked up.

Whether its hockey or football or baseball or basketball, the point is the same. It's not too hard to figure out. If you need someone to explain it to you, ask your six year old kid.
- Oneonta Penguin

So you're saying Yakupov is Leaf and Newton is Staal? Lol, even my six year old would laugh. Stupid analogy.

So you're saying Yakupov is Leaf and Newton is Staal? Lol, even my six year old would laugh. Stupid analogy.
- GuyLaDouche

I thought you had teenage girls.

It must be the same deal that RNH got, except one year. Which if you think of it isn't that bad, but not (frank)ing good either.
- Lahey

It doesn't look like an entry level deal though. From what I read, it's a straight $3.775mil for next season. No bonuses or anything.