I don't think ST wants to just blow money on whatever Smyth asks for. I don't even know that Katz would give ST the go ahead either. At some point Katz has to ask if spending 4mil on a 3rd liner is really such a good idea when you already have a 5mil center on that line.
- Lahey

Yeah, it's entirely about how much money he wants to spend. It's salary more than cap hit at that point.

I'd personally rather see Smyth as a 3rd liner than Paajarvi and probably than Haritkainen. But if Smyth is being a jag about it...

I also feel that way.
- laughs2907

YES! Thank you! Been saying it this whole thread!

Yeah, it's entirely about how much money he wants to spend. It's salary more than cap hit at that point.

I'd personally rather see Smyth as a 3rd liner than Paajarvi and probably than Haritkainen. But if Smyth is being a jag about it...
- Morris

If Smyth doesn't sign I'd go after another vet. We need depth on this club and if PRV or Thor are that good then as the year goes on they'll get their shot.

Look at small signings like STL did with Arnott, Langebrunner and Nicol. There are a ton of these guys available that you don't have to commit long-term to.

And i want Mila Kunis
- Killbot460

You too?

I'm sorry, but the trade returns for staal on the blog and in the responses are laughable. A 23 year old established player, borderline star, who put up 50 pts in 62 games while seeing little powerplay time. a borderline selke trophy winner. And he is yet to get into his prime years. You are really really overvaluing the value of a first round pick. I've heard that Yak is a "sure" thing but so was daige, johnson, etc. I pick is always a gamble. It would take a package of the pick and a blue chip prospect or an established 2 or 3 center to even consider this deal... I know that he may be able to leave next year, but image what teams would trade for him at the deadline? (personally I think staal is to big an asset to lose, as awful as it seems, I think malkin or crosby shoud be the ones to go)

I'm sorry, but the trade returns for staal on the blog and in the responses are laughable. A 23 year old established player, borderline star, who put up 50 pts in 62 games while seeing little powerplay time. a borderline selke trophy winner. And he is yet to get into his prime years. You are really really overvaluing the value of a first round pick. I've heard that Yak is a "sure" thing but so was daige, johnson, etc. I pick is always a gamble. It would take a package of the pick and a blue chip prospect or an established 2 or 3 center to even consider this deal... I know that he may be able to leave next year, but image what teams would trade for him at the deadline? (personally I think staal is to big an asset to lose, as awful as it seems, I think malkin or crosby shoud be the ones to go)
- ChrisMS

One year of Staal isn't worth the risk and you aren't getting a Yakupov quality prospect back for him at the deadline.

I suppose you're spoiled by prospects immediately panning out and becoming instant NHL superstars.

He's really the kind of prospect the penguins could find useful.
- Morris

What exactly was the deal with him? Decent rookie year and then all the sudden awful? Health, soft, bad year? Maybe a change of scenery is needed. Why someone put him in as an idea for a Staal deal is beyond me. I think a kid like him is worth Tangradi and maybe a sixth. Tangradi needs a change of scenery.

Eberle + PRV + 2012 first overall for Staal?
- laughs2907

Add Hall and RNH in there and Pens throw in a 2nd then should be GTG

One thing to remember with Smyth is who his agent is. Don Meehan is notorious for dragging out negotiations and trying to get his clients as much as they can.
- Jack-artist

(frank) Smyth we do not (frank)ing need him... Yeah thats right I just said that... We are better without him... Book it...

YES! Thank you! Been saying it this whole thread!
- Cptmjl

You're quite welcome

I'm sorry, but the trade returns for staal on the blog and in the responses are laughable. A 23 year old established player, borderline star, who put up 50 pts in 62 games while seeing little powerplay time. a borderline selke trophy winner. And he is yet to get into his prime years. You are really really overvaluing the value of a first round pick. I've heard that Yak is a "sure" thing but so was daige, johnson, etc. I pick is always a gamble. It would take a package of the pick and a blue chip prospect or an established 2 or 3 center to even consider this deal... I know that he may be able to leave next year, but image what teams would trade for him at the deadline? (personally I think staal is to big an asset to lose, as awful as it seems, I think malkin or crosby shoud be the ones to go)
- ChrisMS

Staal is a good player and could be POTENTIALLY an even better player. On that note Yakupov is pretty much a sure thing as you stated. He has much more of a higher ceiling than Staal. Yes, its not written in stone but I'd go with the odds on this one. Richard Park is an established NHL veteran but what does that get you? You then say an established two or three center and a blue chip prospect in addition to Yakupov "to even consider" a deal, that is laughable. Staal is a great 3rd line center and a good second line center and you want that in addition to the first overall and a blue chip prospect! lmao. The guy is a good player but you like every Pens fan on here is completely and utterly over valuing him to the point that I think you guys are being sarcastic.

You're quite welcome
- laughs2907

These Pens fans are nuts and I can't believe some of the proposals Oiler fans are putting up here, if Tambellini did any one of these proposals on here I would hope he got shat canned the next day!

I'm sorry, but the trade returns for staal on the blog and in the responses are laughable. A 23 year old established player, borderline star, who put up 50 pts in 62 games while seeing little powerplay time. a borderline selke trophy winner. And he is yet to get into his prime years. You are really really overvaluing the value of a first round pick. I've heard that Yak is a "sure" thing but so was daige, johnson, etc. I pick is always a gamble. It would take a package of the pick and a blue chip prospect or an established 2 or 3 center to even consider this deal... I know that he may be able to leave next year, but image what teams would trade for him at the deadline? (personally I think staal is to big an asset to lose, as awful as it seems, I think malkin or crosby shoud be the ones to go)
- ChrisMS

Oh... my... god!!

BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Staal is a good player and could be POTENTIALLY an even better player. On that note Yakupov is pretty much a sure thing as you stated. He has much more of a higher ceiling than Staal. Yes, its not written in stone but I'd go with the odds on this one. Richard Park is an established NHL veteran but what does that get you? You then say an established two or three center and a blue chip prospect in addition to Yakupov "to even consider" a deal, that is laughable. Staal is a great 3rd line center and a good second line center and you want that in addition to the first overall and a blue chip prospect! lmao. The guy is a good player but you like every Pens fan on here is completely and utterly over valuing him to the point that I think you guys are being sarcastic.
- Cptmjl

I agree 100 ka-billion percent.

Tambs would be slaughtered if he traded Yakupov for Staal...

I'm sorry, but the trade returns for staal on the blog and in the responses are laughable. A 23 year old established player, borderline star, who put up 50 pts in 62 games while seeing little powerplay time. a borderline selke trophy winner. And he is yet to get into his prime years. You are really really overvaluing the value of a first round pick. I've heard that Yak is a "sure" thing but so was daige, johnson, etc. I pick is always a gamble. It would take a package of the pick and a blue chip prospect or an established 2 or 3 center to even consider this deal... I know that he may be able to leave next year, but image what teams would trade for him at the deadline? (personally I think staal is to big an asset to lose, as awful as it seems, I think malkin or crosby shoud be the ones to go)
- ChrisMS

...... I have no words for this

I'm sorry, but the trade returns for staal on the blog and in the responses are laughable. A 23 year old established player, borderline star, who put up 50 pts in 62 games while seeing little powerplay time. a borderline selke trophy winner. And he is yet to get into his prime years. You are really really overvaluing the value of a first round pick. I've heard that Yak is a "sure" thing but so was daige, johnson, etc. I pick is always a gamble. It would take a package of the pick and a blue chip prospect or an established 2 or 3 center to even consider this deal... I know that he may be able to leave next year, but image what teams would trade for him at the deadline? (personally I think staal is to big an asset to lose, as awful as it seems, I think malkin or crosby shoud be the ones to go)
- ChrisMS

Hypothetical: It's 2006. You're the GM of the Pittsburgh Penguins and you have the #2 pick. Projected in this spot is a two-way center with good size named Jordan Staal.

The GM of the Buffalo Sabres calls you up and offers you a 25 year old talent named Tim Connolly, a UFA in one year's time, in exchange for the pick, if you added a prospect to sweeten the pot. He's just come off a season where he scored 55 points in 63 games. He's established a bit of a track record, he's hit 40 points twice in past seasons. Further, he's not just a one-dimensional guy: he's logged the most PK per game of any forward on his team. He's starting to get a little injury prone though, but could return to his regular 80 game a season form. He's mostly played the 2/3 line centre role. His team is blessed with two really talented centres that take the depth chart spots above him. On your team however, he'd be expected to fill a permanent top 6 role.

Do you 100% pull the trigger on this deal? Why or Why not?

Staal is a good player and could be POTENTIALLY an even better player. On that note Yakupov is pretty much a sure thing as you stated. He has much more of a higher ceiling than Staal. Yes, its not written in stone but I'd go with the odds on this one. Richard Park is an established NHL veteran but what does that get you? You then say an established two or three center and a blue chip prospect in addition to Yakupov "to even consider" a deal, that is laughable. Staal is a great 3rd line center and a good second line center and you want that in addition to the first overall and a blue chip prospect! lmao. The guy is a good player but you like every Pens fan on here is completely and utterly over valuing him to the point that I think you guys are being sarcastic.
- Cptmjl

Word

Staal is a good player and could be POTENTIALLY an even better player. On that note Yakupov is pretty much a sure thing as you stated. He has much more of a higher ceiling than Staal. Yes, its not written in stone but I'd go with the odds on this one. Richard Park is an established NHL veteran but what does that get you? You then say an established two or three center and a blue chip prospect in addition to Yakupov "to even consider" a deal, that is laughable. Staal is a great 3rd line center and a good second line center and you want that in addition to the first overall and a blue chip prospect! lmao. The guy is a good player but you like every Pens fan on here is completely and utterly over valuing him to the point that I think you guys are being sarcastic.
- Cptmjl

We might be overvaluing Staal because we have seen him play so many times and know his value. It's no different than people overvaluing Yakupov. Is he truly a given to be a star? Nope. All I hear is he has the potential. Well, Patrick Stefan had the potential; Rick DiPietro had the potential. This kid isn't a sure fire star in the making like Crosby was. Who the hell is saying that Edmonton needs to add here? It's just as ridiculous as Edmonton fans saying Despres or Morrow need to be added to Staal to get the number one pick.

There isn't a match here. Time to move on.

I'm sorry, but the trade returns for staal on the blog and in the responses are laughable. A 23 year old established player, borderline star, who put up 50 pts in 62 games while seeing little powerplay time. a borderline selke trophy winner. And he is yet to get into his prime years. You are really really overvaluing the value of a first round pick. I've heard that Yak is a "sure" thing but so was daige, johnson, etc. I pick is always a gamble. It would take a package of the pick and a blue chip prospect or an established 2 or 3 center to even consider this deal... I know that he may be able to leave next year, but image what teams would trade for him at the deadline? (personally I think staal is to big an asset to lose, as awful as it seems, I think malkin or crosby shoud be the ones to go)
- ChrisMS

Everyone is now dumber from reading this post. You will be awarded 0 points and may god have mercy on your soul.

Hypothetical: It's 2006. You're the GM of the Pittsburgh Penguins and you have the #2 pick. Projected in this spot is a two-way center with good size named Jordan Staal.

The GM of the Buffalo Sabres calls you up and offers you a 25 year old talent named Tim Connolly, a UFA in one year's time, in exchange for the pick, if you added a prospect to sweeten the pot. He's just come off a season where he scored 55 points in 63 games. He's established a bit of a track record, he's hit 40 points twice in past seasons. Further, he's not just a one-dimensional guy: he's logged the most PK per game of any forward on his team. He's starting to get a little injury prone though, but could return to his regular 80 game a season form. He's mostly played the 2/3 line centre role. His team is blessed with two really talented centres that take the depth chart spots above him. On your team however, he'd be expected to fill a permanent top 6 role.

Do you 100% pull the trigger on this deal? Why or Why not?
- Morris

No ... because Staal is a much better two way player than Connolly was at that juncture of his career. Connolly was never a Selke nominee. Not even close. He didn't really have that great defensive component to his game. Staal's injuries are more flukey type stuff as opposed to Connelly having more serious ailments.

Everyone is now dumber from reading this post. You will be awarded 0 points and may god have mercy on your soul.
- ystoil

I read 3 lines how much dumber did I get?

We might be overvaluing Staal because we have seen him play so many times and know his value. It's no different than people overvaluing Yakupov. Is he truly a given to be a star? Nope. All I hear is he has the potential. Well, Patrick Stefan had the potential; Rick DiPietro had the potential. This kid isn't a sure fire star in the making like Crosby was. Who the hell is saying that Edmonton needs to add here? It's just as ridiculous as Edmonton fans saying Despres or Morrow need to be added to Staal to get the number one pick.

There isn't a match here. Time to move on.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yes. A few of us have agreed. You can keep Staal ty.

I read 3 lines how much dumber did I get?
- Lahey

I think you already bottomed out. You're good.

OK OK OK...

Hall + RNH + Eberle + 2012 1st overall + 2013 1st round pick + 2014 1st round pick + 2015 1st round pick + 2016 1st round pick + 2017 1st round pick + 2018 1st round pick + 2019 1st round pick + 2020 1st round pick + 2021 1st round pick + 2022 1st round pick + Katz' first born son + 80% ownership of Rexall + $750,000,000 + Wayne Gretzky's daughter.

For

Staal.

I think you already bottomed out. You're good.
- GuyLaDouche