Is this the guy who drastically underachieved this year? If so, no thank you. I know there is one guy who was projected at the top of the draft that had a terrible season this past year, I just don't know if it was this guy.

As for me, I know you draft "best available", but if there is a "D" who is equal to or on par with a forward at #4 as best available, the Isles have to go "D". The Isles' "D" is abysmal and aside from Mayfield, there is nobody in the system that projects as a big and/or physical d-man.
- Jethro09

Andrey Pedan

bailey, strome, reasoner....
- LetsGoIsles

Bailey should just be moved to the wing and call it a day. Reasoner will be gone after this year if not by the deadline. If he produces at all, he will be traded for a pick. And it's actually nice sometimes to have too many options at one position. Unfortunately we can't say the same for our D corps.

I don't know exactly where Dumba is now on the charts but I feel he is the best option for this team based on what I have read. Not just because of his overall game but his presence and charisma. Other than JT who is only the face based on his production, I feel this team needs an outgoing face. He loves to hit so that's a big plus and he has an offensive side to him.
- BringBackBalky

i agree with dumba...of all the dmen, i want him bc he has a mean streak...but i agree with eichiefs that they should trade down if he is their man....if they could trade the pick (and prospect if necessary) and get a 2nd pair dman and a lower pick to get dumba, id be good with that

I don't know exactly where Dumba is now on the charts but I feel he is the best option for this team based on what I have read. Not just because of his overall game but his presence and charisma. Other than JT who is only the face based on his production, I feel this team needs an outgoing face. He loves to hit so that's a big plus and he has an offensive side to him.
- BringBackBalky

i agree with dumba...of all the dmen, i want him bc he has a mean streak...but i agree with eichiefs that they should trade down if he is their man....if they could trade the pick (and prospect if necessary) and get a 2nd pair dman and a lower pick to get dumba, id be happy with that

I would just like to see the Isles take on players that better the team and not just because they are "buddies" with someone. Whether it's draft picks or FA, it seems Snow has a system that if someone in the organization is friendly with someone, they give them a chance. Enough already! No more country club atmosphere, just make this team better period!
- brodydog29

like who? moulson? strome?....cant say im disappointed with either as of right now...

Something to ponder.
What would you think about trading our 1st, KO and A-mac for Edmonton's 1st pick? To much? To little? Or just right?

I'm still not sold on KO.


- SCLI

cant imagine edmonton would do this...i would do this deal much quicker than any of the other 3 proposed deals involving strome, hamonic or nino and the first for their first....

Actually I want them to draft Murray because his favorite breakfast food is eggs and toast and his favorite cartoon character is Bugs Bunny. Do it!
- BringBackBalky

I thought this was some interesting stuff from Hockey Prospectus on Murray (they included an article with scouts differing opinions on some of the more polarizing prospects):

Ryan Murray, Defense, 8th:

My somewhat low ranking of Murray may seem like another case of beating down the guy whose been around the scene forever. However I do feel his criticism is merited, and I don’t see it as the nitpicking of Sean Couturier last year, for example. When I asked one Head Scout who he felt the top defenseman in the draft was he responded,

“It’s clearly Dumba. Murray is a great defensive defenseman, although if you listen to the media some people make it seem like he’s Scott Niedermayer or something.”

And another scout said,

“I just don’t see the puck skills or offensive ability to take him in the top five.”

But of course Murray has scouts who push for him,

“He just does everything well. He’s a high-end puck mover whose very good defensively and very intelligent with the puck.”

Let's spit it out and say the name we want to see being drafted for New York Islanders at fourth pick or whatever. I say DUMBA! I just love that name!

Why dont we try to make a trade for additional draft picks and draft Dumba and Murray?!!!!

Absolutely not. The asking price would be
Strome + first
Niño + first
Or hamonic and 1

Strome could be a future #1 center
Niño could still pan out to be a 6'3 215 lb winger we need
And hamonic is going to be the next sutter, and Hes bigger
- Danformo

I would trade #4 and Nino for Yakupov in a heartbeat. The other two, no way. But Nino and #4 overall for #1 overall? That's a no-brainer.

If I'm Edmonton I'd do hammer and our first this year

Hammer and , forsberg/gally/grigenko

When forsberg and gally can be equally as good a yukapov. Remember, JT was considered generational
Stammer, hall was considered elite +
RNH and nail Are considered elite,

Those are reasonable offers for nail
- Danformo

Nobody thinks that Forsberg is on par with Nail. Yakupov is the only player in this draft that's considered a franchise player.

Bailey should just be moved to the wing and call it a day. Reasoner will be gone after this year if not by the deadline. If he produces at all, he will be traded for a pick. And it's actually nice sometimes to have too many options at one position. Unfortunately we can't say the same for our D corps.
- BringBackBalky

They should just cut Reasoner...

Sorry but JT was not considered, and is not, generational talent. The only one in a long, long time to be considered as generational talent coming into their draft year was Crosby.
- eichiefs9

Yes he was? The OHL let him in a year early, and he broke records, scoring 70 goals on a season. He had a generational tag placed on him in his draft year

Yes he was? The OHL let him in a year early, and he broke records, scoring 70 goals on a season. He had a generational tag placed on him in his draft year
- Danformo

No, he didn't. Calling someone generational talent is saying that they are a one-in-every-20-or-so-years talent. Tavares is undoubtedly an elite NHLer, now and for a long time, but he's not generational talent and never was viewed as such.

You don't have to take my word for it, but you do have to take Bob McKenzie's.

From an IPB interview on 6/19/09:

"If the Islanders don’t draft John first overall, what will your reaction be?"

"I don’t scout players, so you’ll never hear me say, “What a stupid pick”! You might hear me say, “What a ballsy pick,” but I won’t go after a team. All three of these kids are excellent young hockey players. Also keep in mind that the scouts I interview for the rankings, they don’t necessarily have their jobs on the line. Their picks could always be different if they were making the selection for the Islanders. I should also point out that no one seems to view John Tavares as a generational talent."

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/06/mck/

They should just cut Reasoner...
- Jethro09

Yeah, with a knife.

They should just cut Reasoner...
- Jethro09

I agree, but we know Charlie isn't going to eat a salary.............even though I think Reasoner will have a bounce back year (for him, which isn't saying much). We have plenty of role players at this point.

No, he didn't. Calling someone generational talent is saying that they are a one-in-every-20-or-so-years talent. Tavares is undoubtedly an elite NHLer, now and for a long time, but he's not generational talent and never was viewed as such.

You don't have to take my word for it, but you do have to take Bob McKenzie's.

From an IPB interview on 6/19/09:

"If the Islanders don’t draft John first overall, what will your reaction be?"

"I don’t scout players, so you’ll never hear me say, “What a stupid pick”! You might hear me say, “What a ballsy pick,” but I won’t go after a team. All three of these kids are excellent young hockey players. Also keep in mind that the scouts I interview for the rankings, they don’t necessarily have their jobs on the line. Their picks could always be different if they were making the selection for the Islanders. I should also point out that no one seems to view John Tavares as a generational talent."

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2009/06/mck/
- eichiefs9

If Tavares was ever described as a generational talent then we wouldn't have heard so much about Hedman and Duchense. Well at least in Islander land we wouldn't have.

If Tavares was ever described as a generational talent then we wouldn't have heard so much about Hedman and Duchense. Well at least in Islander land we wouldn't have.
- BringBackBalky

Exactly..it's not demeaning to him to say he isn't, and never was going to be, generational talent. Crosby was literally the only person in the last longgggg time to be considered "generational talent" coming into their draft year.

In fact, if you ever look at hockeysfuture.com's player ranking system, this is how they define generational talent (a 10 on their scale):


10. Generational Talent - a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade.

Defense: Bobby Orr
Forward: Wayne Gretzky
Goaltender: Patrick Roy

Johnny's a sick player but not on the level of any of those guys.

Exactly..it's not demeaning to him to say he isn't, and never was going to be, generational talent. Crosby was literally the only person in the last longgggg time to be considered "generational talent" coming into their draft year.

In fact, if you ever look at hockeysfuture.com's player ranking system, this is how they define generational talent (a 10 on their scale):


10. Generational Talent - a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade.

Defense: Bobby Orr
Forward: Wayne Gretzky
Goaltender: Patrick Roy

Johnny's a sick player but not on the level of any of those guys.
- eichiefs9

He's not generational, he's marginally talented.

He's not generational, he's marginally talented.
- UIF

I could have sworn he had a generation tag

And the reason why he was even in dicussion with hedman and duchesse is because he was there forever, he was the center of critism just because , like Murray this year or courtier last year.

But now if you had the compare the top3 from 09' I'd slap anyone who said duchene/ hedman is close to JT

cant imagine edmonton would do this...i would do this deal much quicker than any of the other 3 proposed deals involving strome, hamonic or nino and the first for their first....
- LetsGoIsles

I replaced Strome with KO because of the reports/rumors last season that the Oilers had interest in KO. The Oilers say they have enough, quick, high skilled, forwards and were looking to add a player with bit more size to muck it up along the boards and chip in some offense. Its also been said they need "D".
Besides,
If this kid Nail is as good as advertized. I would have no problem sweetening the pot a bit.

What I really find baffling is that, only a yr or so ago. Nearly everyone was touting how deep this draft is. Three or four terrific forward prospects and overwhelming in "D" prospects.

Now!

It seems to be its either Nail, Mikhail or Fail.

After laboring thru another Islander season. I dont believe we'll be appreciably better this coming season. The young guys in Bridgeport and in Jr's arent going to put us over the top next season. Our "D" prospects? If brought up will need a yr at least to adjust. I dont see any "O" at Bridgeport to help. Most of our better prospects are years away. And I hope we dont rush Strome.

And for the 3rd strait season we'll be asking the same IF Questions! ! If KO becomes consistent and more physical. If Bailey can put it together for more than a week at a time. If we acquire a #2 or #3 "D" man and a Veteran presence. If Grabner scores 30 goals. If we can get consistent goal tending. We need more definite's and less If's.

IMO. Our only hope is to have enough fire power to outscore our opposition. Maybe a kid like Nail (if as good as advertized) paired with JT and signing PAP for the 2nd line, could give us enough "O" to realistically compete for that 8th spot.
Nabby in goal, 2 Quality scoring lines and a physical, defensively sound, 4th line of Casey Cizikas, Haley and Martin may give us enough to overcome our deficiencies at "D" and give us slim chance.
Otherwise. I say no shot at all.
Thats reason enough to move up for Nail.

I could have sworn he had a generation tag

And the reason why he was even in dicussion with hedman and duchesse is because he was there forever, he was the center of critism just because , like Murray this year or courtier last year.

But now if you had the compare the top3 from 09' I'd slap anyone who said duchene/ hedman is close to JT
- Danformo

but thats the point, the critics were finding "problems" with his game...no one had any issues with crosby going into the draft, even as the guy that was the indisputable #1 pick.

@JohnLuTSNMtl: Canada: Burrows-Benn-Perry; Purcell-Nugent-Hopkins-Eberle;Skinner-Tavares- Sharp; Kane-O'Reilly-Ladd; Mitchell #WHC

I can't believe Moulson couldn't make this team over guys like Purcell, O'Reilly, Ladd and Mitchell.

Also, Tavares just scored.

I could have sworn he had a generation tag

And the reason why he was even in dicussion with hedman and duchesse is because he was there forever, he was the center of critism just because , like Murray this year or courtier last year.

But now if you had the compare the top3 from 09' I'd slap anyone who said duchene/ hedman is close to JT
- Danformo

I mean there is no actual, tangible 'generation tag', it's more of a consensus opinion among scouts, execs, etc...

Maybe you're thinking of the exceptional player status he was granted to be drafted to the OHL as a 14 year old.