If Booth were a free agent he'd get more than 4 million. Those are assets. Than you throw in our best defensive prospect. Brutal. Ya Clowe would be nice but come on.
- Boinker

I would take Clowe over Booth any day of the week
Lu is a dump. We do need space to sign Schneider at 3.5 mil
Leaves a spot open ,and salary ,to go after Parise .

Shaw is a good instigator and cheap. We need that.

To Anaheim: Lu, Kesler, Booth, Kassian + 1st and 2nd
To Vancouver: Getzlaf, Perry

or

To Columbus: Lu, Raymond, Schroeder, Tanev + 1st
To Vancouver: Nash, Johanssen

(Yes I know, wishful thinking)

I could never see the Hawks trading for Luongo. He would certainly be an improvement, but trading for a goalie who has had 3 bad (or below average, at best) playoff series against the Hawks in the last 4 years would drive the fan base crazy. Especially after seeing Crawford crumble in the playoffs this year.

Now if the Hawks were to somehow trade for Schneider...

Did you test these trades out on NHL 12?



Youre forgetting one little thing, I think Mr. Luongo has to approve the team hes being traded to.

Ian, in my humble opinion you are overestimating the return that Van is looking at for Luongo. Trust me, I'd love to see Seabrook or Tedenby come back in a trade, but I'm not planning on it.

If Toronto's involved, we gotta have Ashton. Throw in Armstrong as the salary coming back.

To Van:

Ashton
Armstrong

To Tor:

Luongo

This is the most plausible to me, though the two Fla teams figure to have first dibs.

Leafs fans: Any of you think that Burke went and got Ashton as a play to land Hodgson? Maybe I'm being canuckocentric, but if Burke knew Van was considering Kassian, maybe he wanted to put together a package with a big, young winger to land Cody.

Cody would have been a great fit for Tor, no?

Edit: maybe we throw Raymond in, cause we're done with him and Burke could use the depth at wing.
- ownhalfgoal

In my humbler opinion, any suggestion that Vancouver will trade will a Burke led Toronto ... not going to happen.

To SJ: Booth Lu
To Van: Clowe Niemi

To Chi :Niemi Tanev
To Van Shaw Emery

Emery to the Wolves
Lack back up Canucks.
- VANTEL

lmaO..niemi wants back in Chi town....doubt it!

lmaO..niemi wants back in Chi town....doubt it!
- Canuckfan2006

Does he have NTC?

I would take Clowe over Booth any day of the week
Lu is a dump. We do need space to sign Schneider at 3.5 mil
Leaves a spot open ,and salary ,to go after Parise .

Shaw is a good instigator and cheap. We need that.
- VANTEL

Well if we got Parise that would make things better.

Did you test these trades out on NHL 12?



Youre forgetting one little thing, I think Mr. Luongo has to approve the team hes being traded to.
- NYRPowerPlay

HE DID! Have you not been listening to the Canadian...urn... Toronto Media. Here are the teams on Lou;s list:

1. Toronto.

There you have it. Canucks hands are tied. They can get Lou for nothing... or less than nothing by adding Dion Phaneuf and Ron Wilson's old parking spot.

Toronto is very excited.

Unless... that is... of course, you are the one media outlet providing the truth that Lou has not divulged his list and TO is a long long shot .... in that case, Luongo still sucks. (Then again, so do the Leafs)

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This is Beatle John
Vancouver

I could never see the Hawks trading for Luongo. He would certainly be an improvement, but trading for a goalie who has had 3 bad (or below average, at best) playoff series against the Hawks in the last 4 years would drive the fan base crazy. Especially after seeing Crawford crumble in the playoffs this year.

Now if the Hawks were to somehow trade for Schneider...
- dlkhockey24

This is so right

The oilers should be of your list. Lou won't go there and we don't want the contract. I doubt howson takes two bad contracts instead of one. I'm sure canuck nation wants it to happen, but howson isn't that stupid to do it.

Well if we got Parise that would make things better.
- Boinker

You need money and space to do that.This is why I am hoping Booth and Lu are traded for salary dumps and Ballrd too.

HE DID! Have you not been listening to the Canadian...urn... Toronto Media. Here are the teams on Lou;s list:

1. Toronto.

There you have it. Canucks hands are tied. They can get Lou for nothing... or less than nothing by adding Dion Phaneuf and Ron Wilson's old parking spot.

Toronto is very excited.

Unless... that is... of course, you are the one media outlet providing the truth that Lou has not divulged his list and TO is a long long shot .... in that case, Luongo still sucks. (Then again, so do the Leafs)

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This is Beatle John
Vancouver
- Beatle_john

So all these imaginary trades to Columbus are pointless.

So all these imaginary trades to Columbus are pointless.
- NYRPowerPlay

Bingo.

Did you really just suggest trading Luongo for Seabrook straight up Ian?

Wow do you guys overvalue your players/situations they are in

Why would the hawks trade away their best and most physical defenseman to bring in luongo?!?!?!? Say they make this trade, who is going to play in front of luongo and replace seabrooks minutes/play?

The bowmans dont spend top dollar on goalies, especially those that have huge issues in the playoffs. Crawford has had his issues, but hes making half of what luongo is making .

Luongo is NOT going to fetch the nucks a kings ransom. Expect a bad contract coming the other way (Ex: olesz) and a average player/pick.

Every team knows that the nucks are in a tough spot when it comes to goaltending. They need to sign schneider, and Luongo WANTS OUT. Once thats known then the players value drops even more. Teams will offer sheet schneider, and also lack needs to be signed as well. Luongo probably will be given away like brian campbell was last year.

So please stop with these insane trade proposals............

Lu to Pittsburgh
for
Crosby, Malkin, and a 1st

First of all Lu has a NTC not NMC
Second when a player is traded his NTC does not go with him.
Lu is 33 and his contract is a 6 year contract for 40 mil that the other teams ned to worry about .The last 4 years of his contract equal 5 mil total .A very easy buy out.
You will be taking on a goalie who will be 39 same age as Brodeur who is laying today in round 2 .Knowing the facts helps.
- VANTEL

Go to the buyout calculator on capgeek and type in 2017 buyout date (maybe he won't last as long as Brodeur) and the come back and tell me about easy buyouts. Will be very interested in your explanation of 9 years of cap hits with 2 of them just over and one just under $5m.

No one goes into a deal planning on a buy out. Or is this just another central Canadian plot along with Darren Dregger and the CBC to screw the good folks of Vancity?

Mike Smith is having one f*cking good year in a system which makes goalies look better than they are. Look at Bryz stats last year and now look at them this year. Same goes for St. Louis. Put Elliot on the Canucks and he's out of the league. This is absolutely hilarious. Do you even know hockey? Embarrassing.

Luongo> Elliot, Smith, Halak and Lehtonen.
- Boinker

Mike smith has had to stand on his head this entire season and playoffs to get Pheonix to this point so get over yourself buddy.

When you have a .940 save percentage like Elliot has your pretty good, better than luongo right now. Same goes for Halak

Stop looking at the Pedigree of the goaltender and look at the numbers

Go to the buyout calculator on capgeek and type in 2017 buyout date (maybe he won't last as long as Brodeur) and the come back and tell me about easy buyouts. Will be very interested in your explanation of 9 years of cap hits with 2 of them just over and one just under $5m.

No one goes into a deal planning on a buy out. Or is this just another central Canadian plot along with Darren Dregger and the CBC to screw the good folks of Vancity?
- Canada Cup

4 yrs/6 mil . he will be a nice back up goalie if he still wants to play.

Mike smith has had to stand on his head this entire season and playoffs to get Pheonix to this point so get over yourself buddy.

When you have a .940 save percentage like Elliot has your pretty good, better than luongo right now. Same goes for Halak

Stop looking at the Pedigree of the goaltender and look at the numbers
- Oil_Addict

Take a look at the shot totals, Save % is calculated based on goals versus number of shots. Both St. Louis and Phoenix have the lowest number of shots against, less shots=less goals=better SV%. My sociology professor told us a truism that's stuck with me all these years, "There's lies, damn lies and then there's statistics". In simple terms, what that means is numbers can be massaged to mean anything, there's more to being a top goalie than just pure numbers. Until this year, both Elliot and Smith were average goaltenders in both Ottawa and Tampa Bay/Dallas respectively. Their career numbers do not even come close to Lu's. Systems that are tailored for defensive hockey do make goalies look a lot better, it's a lot easier to save 20 shots a game and only let in a single goal, especially when of those 20 shots, maybe 2 or 3 are prime scoring chances, than 30-40.

EDIT: Scoring chances = an attempt or shot taken from a "home-plate shaped area" that goes from the top of the faceoff circles, through the faceoff dots, then angled to the goal posts. Of which both Phoenix and St. Louis and several other teams like Florida, LA and NYR also are very good at keeping down and hence why their goalies have stellar stats as compared to Lu.

Malone and a 2nd for Luongo....

Take a lookat the shot totals, Save % is calculated based on goals versus number of shots. Both St. Louis and Phoenix have the lowest number of shots against, less shots=less goals=better SV%. My sociology professor told us a truism that's stuck with me all these years, "There's lies, damn lies and then there's statistics". In simple terms, what that means is numbers can be massaged to mean anything, there's more to being a top goalie than just pure numbers. Until this year, both Elliot and Smith were average goaltenders in both Ottawa and Tampa Bay/Dallas respectively. Their career numbers do not even come close to Lu's. Systems that are tailored for defensive hockey do make goalies look a lot better, it's a lot easier to save 20 shots a game and only let in a single goal, especially when of those 20 shots, maybe 2 or 3 are prime scoring chances, than 30-40.
- DariusKnight

Is that what save percentage is??? I NEVER KNEW THAT!

Have you seen any of the playoffs? Have you watched any PHX games in the regular season?

I might tend to agree with you about Elliot, but not on smith or halak.

Mike smith has had to stand on his head this entire season and playoffs to get Pheonix to this point so get over yourself buddy.

When you have a .940 save percentage like Elliot has your pretty good, better than luongo right now. Same goes for Halak

Stop looking at the Pedigree of the goaltender and look at the numbers
- Oil_Addict

i really hope youre kidding.... I will bet you all the money in the world that Elliot wont even be in the NHL in a few years.... or at the very least will never be a true #1 goalie.

Every year there are 1-3 goalies who make the top 10 in most statistical categories... usually playing about 30-40 games... and then for some reason never have another season even close to it.

Smith and Elliot are both benefiting from a system.... you can usually tell its more of a team system than the actually goalies when both the starter/back up have great numbers... especially a guy like Smith and Elliot who go from atrocious numbers on one team to all of a sudden super stars on another.

What separates a star goalie from an average one is consistency.... any goalie in the NHL is capable of playing a stretch of great hockey.

You say to stop looking at the pedigree of a goalie and look at the numbers? You should stop looking at the numbers based on 30 games in 1 season... look at the career of a goalie or some historical statistical trends... I'm surprised you don't think Anton Khudobin is the best goalie in the league... my god

4 yrs/6 mil . he will be a nice back up goalie if he still wants to play.
- VANTEL

With a cap hit of $5.3m. That would have to be a very nice back up indeed. Fact remains that this is a tough contract to pick up and does not give Gillis the leverage you are dreaming about.

Why would Luongo want to play in Columbus?

If they take back salary from Toronto, why move Lu???? Really? Very simple. Not only do they have a budding #1 in Schneider which is what gives them the luxury of shopping Luongo in the first place. but because Lu has 10 years left on that contract. If they take back, let's say, Mike Komisarek, that's only two years commitment at $800k less per year. Makes sense to me
- Phenom

They will want more talent taking up that cap space than Komi though. Vancouver is in their three year window, right now. Spinning wheels on $4.5mm of Komisarek doesn't make sense to them at all, IMO.