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Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Apr 26 @ 9:12 AM ET
The irony is Messier is 4th on the oilers in career goals, behind anderson and kurri

everything lined up perfect for that team but it fell apart as quick as it was built.

Coffey held out for more money
Moog held out for money/playing time
Gretzky was not handled properly

They could have easily won another 5 if they had a better relationship with their players

- homiedclown

Pocklington's ego got in the way.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 9:12 AM ET
I know, he should be on that list, but on a technicality he is not. Still goes to show what kind of company Trottier is keeping.
- Gunner Staal



Agreed.


just saying.


Gretzky couldn't get it because he played in the WHL yet Sergei Makarov at age 31 with 710 points in the Solviet league was allowed to win.
Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Apr 26 @ 9:15 AM ET
Agreed.


just saying.


Gretzky couldn't get it because he played in the WHL yet Sergei Makarov at age 31 was allowed to win.

- dadeadhead


Pretty lame. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter much. Ovechkin beat out Crosby for the Calder and since then I don't think there is much argument on who has been better. Ovechkin gets 4th line minutes in a game 7 because his coach cannot trust him.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 26 @ 9:15 AM ET
The NHL kind of skrewed Gretzky on that one.
- dadeadhead

kind of?

it was a joke

to be fair Bourque made the nhl first team that year

(checks to see if myers made that team the year he won it)
Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Apr 26 @ 9:18 AM ET
kind of?

it was a joke

to be fair Bourque made the nhl first team that year

(checks to see if myers made that team the year he won it)

- homiedclown

poop stirrer.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 26 @ 9:19 AM ET
http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._players_with_1000_points

great to kill a few minutes of time reading
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 9:19 AM ET
kind of?

it was a joke

to be fair Bourque made the nhl first team that year

(checks to see if myers made that team the year he won it)

- homiedclown



Yep


Gretzky tied for the league lead in points. He technically finished 2nd because Dionne had more goals.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 26 @ 9:22 AM ET
poop stirrer.
- Pairo11

myers did get 6 5th place votes his rookie year
keptupl8
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We've had our pee pee slapped here, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 26 @ 9:22 AM ET
What does this mean
- JoeSabre

Oh my god... someone may have said something critical of GARTH...




ATTACK!!!!
Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Apr 26 @ 9:22 AM ET
Yep


Gretzky tied for the league lead in points. He technically finished 2nd because Dionne had more goals.

- dadeadhead

That was for the Ross not the Calder.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 26 @ 9:22 AM ET
Yep


Gretzky tied for the league lead in points. He technically finished 2nd because Dionne had more goals.

- dadeadhead

another bs rule

a point is a point
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 9:27 AM ET
That was for the Ross not the Calder.
- Pairo11




I know.


dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 9:27 AM ET
another bs rule

a point is a point

- homiedclown



Agreed.
LamontSanford
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You Big Dummy
Joined: 01.13.2011

Apr 26 @ 9:30 AM ET
He has one already and a Conn Smyth to boot.
- dadeadhead

Ya but with The Lanny McDonald's not the Blues. I think he is working in the front office now?
LamontSanford
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You Big Dummy
Joined: 01.13.2011

Apr 26 @ 9:32 AM ET
Is it though?



Gretzky needed Messier more than Messier needed Gretzky.

- dadeadhead


YES ITS CRAZY TALK (**IMO**)
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Regular season records (40)Most goals: 894 in 1,487 games
Most goals, including playoffs: 1,016 in 1,487 regular season and 208 playoff games
Most goals, one season: 92 in 1981–82, 80-game schedule
Most goals, one season, including playoffs: 100 in 1983–84, 87 goals in 74 regular season games and 13 goals in 19 playoff games
Most goals, 50 games from start of season: 61 in 1981–82 (October 7, 1981 to January 22, 1982, 80-game schedule) and 1983–84 (October 5, 1983 to January 25, 1984), 80-game schedule
Most goals, one period: 4 (Tied with 10 other players) February 18, 1981
Most assists: 1,963
Most assists, including playoffs: 2,223
Most assists, one season: 163 in 1985–86, 80-game schedule
Most assists, one season, including playoffs: 174 in 1985–86, 163 assists in 80 regular season games and 11 assists in 10 playoff games
Most assists, one game: 7 (tied with Billy "The Kid" Taylor) on three occasions—February 15, 1980; December 11, 1985; February 14, 1986
Most assists, one road game: 7 (tied with Billy Taylor) December 11, 1985
Most points: 2,857 in 1,487 games (894 goals, 1,963 assists)
Most points, including playoffs: 3,239 in 1,487 regular season and 208 playoff games. (1016 goals, 2223 assists)
Most points, one season: 215 in 1985–86, 80-game schedule (52 goals, 163 assists)
Most points, one season, including playoffs: 255 in 1984–85; 208 points in 80 regular season games and 47 points in 18 playoff games
Most overtime assists, career: 15
Most goals by a center, career: 894
Most goals by a center, one season: 92 in 1981–82, 80-game schedule
Most assists by a center, career: 1,963
Most assists by a center, one season: 163 in 1985–86, 80-game schedule
Most points by a center, career: 2,857
Most points by a center, one season: 215 in 1985–86, 80-game schedule
Most assists in one game by a player in his first season: 7 on February 15, 1980
Highest goals-per-game average, one season: 1.18 in 1983–84, 87 goals in 74 games
Highest assists-per-game average, career (300 min.): 1.321 -- 1,963 assists in 1,487 games
Highest assists-per-game average, one season: 2.04 in 1985–86, 163 assists in 80 games
Highest points-per-game average, one season (among players with 50-or-more points): 2.77 in 1983–84, 205 points in 74 games
Most 40-or-more goal seasons: 12 in 20 seasons
Most consecutive 40-or-more goal seasons: 12 from 1979–80 to 1990–91
Most 50-or-more goal seasons: 9 (tied with Mike Bossy)
Most 60-or-more goal seasons: 5 (tied with Mike Bossy)
Most consecutive 60-or-more goals seasons: 4 from 1981–82 to 1984–85
Most 100-or-more point seasons: 15
Most consecutive 100-or-more point seasons: 13 from 1979–80 to 1991–92
Most three-or-more goal games, career: 50 -- 37 three-goal (hat trick) games; nine four-goal games; four five-goal games
Most three goal games, one season: 10 (done twice) in 1981–82 and 1983–84
Longest consecutive assist scoring streak: 23 games in 1990–91, 48 assists
Longest consecutive point-scoring streak: 51 Games in 1983–84 (October 5, 1983 to January 28, 1984, 61 goals, 92 assists for 153 points)
Longest consecutive point-scoring streak from start of season: 51 in 1983–84; 61 goals, 92 assists for 153 points (October 5, 1983 to January 28, 1984)
[edit] Playoff records (15)Most playoff goals, career: 122
Most playoff assists, career: 260
Most assists, one playoff year: 31 in 1988 (19 games)
Most assists in one series (other than final): 14 (tied with Rick Middleton) in 1985 Conference Finals (six games vs. Chicago)
Most assists in final series: 10 in 1988 (four games, plus suspended game vs. Boston)
Most assists, one playoff game: 6 (tied with Mikko Leinonen) on April 9, 1987
Most assists, one playoff period: 3 -- Three assists by one player in one period of a playoff game has been recorded on 70 occasions, five of them by Gretzky
Most points, career: 382 -- 122 goals and 260 assists
Most points, one playoff year: 47 in 1985 (17 goals and 30 assists in 18 games)
Most points in final series: 13 in 1988 three goals and 10 assists (four games plus suspended game vs. Boston, three goals)
Most points, one playoff period: 4 (tied with nine other players)
Most short-handed goals, one playoff year: 3 (tied with five other players) 1983
Most short-handed goals, one playoff game: 2 (tied with eight other players) April 6, 1983
Most game winning goals in playoffs, career: 24 (tied with Brett Hull)
Most three-or-more goals games (hat trick): 10 (eight three-goal games, two four-goal games)
[edit] All-Star records (6)Most All-Star game goals, career: 13 (in 18 games played)
Most All-Star game goals, one game: 4 (tied with three players) 1983 Campbell Conference
Most All-Star game goals, one period: 4 1983 Campbell Conference, third period
Most All-Star game assists, career: 12 (tied with four others)
Most All-Star game points, career: 25 (13 goals, 12 assists in 18 games)
Most All-Star game points, one period: 4 (tied with Mike Gartner and Adam Oates) 1983 Campbell Conference, third period (four goals)
[edit] Records updateSince Wayne Gretzky’s retirement, two of his records have fallen and he has gained one record, leaving him with a new total of 60 official records.

Gretzky’s record of 15 regular season overtime assists has now been passed by three players. They are Nicklas Lidstrom (16), Adam Oates (17), and Mark Messier (18).
Joe Sakic (16), Mark Messier (14), and Ray Bourque (13) have passed Gretzky’s record (12) for most All-Star game assists.
Wayne Gretzky finished his career with a 1.921 points per game average. Only Mario Lemieux, then retired, had a better points per game average at that time. Lemieux since came out of retirement in 2000 and played until the 2005–06 NHL season. Lemieux's points per game average dropped to 1.883 before retiring once again midway through the 2005–06 season. This gives the record to Gretzky.
[edit] Unofficial recordsAlong with his numerous official records, Wayne Gretzky also has many "unofficial" records. These other records are not recognized by the NHL Official Guide and Record Book.

Youngest player to score 50 goals in a season (19 years, two months)
Most points by an NHL player in his first year: 137. Because of Gretzky's season played in the WHA, he was not considered a rookie in his first year, so the rookie record belongs to Teemu Selanne with 132
Most assists by an NHL player in his first year: 86. The rookie record is held jointly by Peter Stastny and Joe Juneau with 70 assists. Note that the record book gives Gretzky the record for most assists and points in a game as a first year player, but not the season totals
Most 200-or-more point seasons: 4. Gretzky owns the official record for most 100 point seasons. He is the only player to reach 200 points in a season
Most consecutive 200 point seasons: 3
Most 70-or-more goal seasons: 4. The NHL has a record for most 60 goal seasons, but not 70. Eight players have achieved 70 goals, and Brett Hull did so three times.
Most consecutive 70 goal seasons: 4
Most 80-or-more goal seasons: 2
Most 90-or-more goal seasons: 1. Gretzky is the only player to achieve this
Fastest 50 goals from start of season: 50 goals in 39 games. 50 goals in 50 games is labelled as the most difficult one to break of all of Gretzky's records. The NHL has an official record for the most goals in 50 games, but not the fastest 50 goals
Fastest 100 points: 34 games in 1983–84
Most seasons averaging at least 1 point per game: 19
Most consecutive seasons averaging at least 1 point per game: 19
Most seasons averaging at least 2 points per game: 10
Most consecutive seasons averaging at least 2 points per game: 9
Most game winning goals in the playoffs: 24 (tied with Brett Hull)
Most 100-or-more assist seasons: 11
Most consecutive 100-or-more assist seasons: 11
Most NHL and WHA regular season assists: 2,027
Most NHL and WHA regular season points: 2,967
Most NHL and WHA regular season and playoff goals: 1,072 (one more than Gordie Howe)
Most NHL and WHA regular season and playoff assists: 2,297
Most NHL and WHA regular season and playoff points: 3,369
Most MVP awards (Hart Trophy): 9
Most scoring championships (Art Ross Trophy): 10
Largest margin of victory in the scoring race: 79 (in 1983–84)
Most seasons where he was his team's leading scorer: 19
Most official NHL records: 61 on retirement, 60 at present
Highest Plus/Minus in a single playoff year: +28 (1984–85)
Highest Plus/Minus by a forward, single season: +98
Highest Plus/Minus by a forward, career: +518

The following are milestone records:

Only Player To Reach 2000 Career Points
Only Player To Reach 3000 Career Points, Regular Season and Playoffs combined
Only Player To Reach 1000 Career Goals, Regular Season and Playoffs combined
Only Player To Reach 2000 Career Assists, Regular Season and Playoffs combined
Goals
Youngest 100 Goals (20 years, 40 days)
Fastest & Youngest 200 Goals (242 games)- Modern Record, Cy Denneny scored 200 goals in 181 games, (21 years, 256 days)
Fastest & Youngest 300 Goals (350 games), (22 years, 321 days)
Fastest & Youngest 400 Goals (436 games), (23 years, 352 days)
Fastest & Youngest 500 Goals (575 games), (25 years, 299 days)
Fastest & Youngest 600 Goals (718 games, one less than Mario Lemieux), (27 years, 302 days)
Fastest & Youngest 700 Goals (886 games), (29 years, 342 days)
Fastest & Youngest 800 Goals (1116 games), (33 years, 53 days)
Assists
Fastest 100 Assists (92 games)
Fastest & Youngest 200 Assists (165 games), (20 years 265 days)
Fastest & Youngest 300 Assists (229 games), (21 years 43 days)
Fastest & Youngest 400 Assists (290 games), (21 years 362 days)
Fastest & Youngest 500 Assists (352 games), (22 years 325 days)
Fastest & Youngest 600 Assists (416 games), (23 years 307 days)
Fastest & Youngest 700 Assists (478 games), (24 years 267 days)
Fastest & Youngest 800 Assists (527 games), (25 years 11 days)
Fastest & Youngest 900 Assists (584 games), (25 years 320 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1000 Assists (645 games), (26 years 282 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1100 Assists (706 games), (27 years 276 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1200 Assists (774 games), (28 years 65 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1300 Assists (846 games), (29 years 50 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1400 Assists (913 games), (30 years 38 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1500 Assists (986 games), (31 years 38 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1600 Assists (1068 games), (32 years 308 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1700 Assists (1179 games), (34 years 267 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1800 Assists (1286 games), (35 years 322 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1900 Assists (1404 games), (37 years 54 days)
Points
Fastest 100 Points (61 games)- Modern Record, Joe Malone and Newsy Lalonde share the record by scoring 100 points in 51 games.[1]
Fastest 200 Points (117 games)
Fastest & Youngest 300 Points (159 games), (20 years, 67 days)
Fastest & Youngest 400 Points (197 games), (20 years, 335 days)
Fastest & Youngest 500 Points (234 games), (21 years, 52 days)
Fastest & Youngest 600 Points (273 games), (21 years, 330 days)
Fastest & Youngest 700 Points (317 games), (22 years, 62 days)
Fastest & Youngest 800 Points (352 games), (22 years, 325 days)
Fastest & Youngest 900 Points (385 games), (23 years, 47 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1000 Points (424 games), (23 years, 328 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1100 Points (464 games), (24 years, 50 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1200 Points (504 games), (24 years, 321 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1300 Points (539 games), (25 years, 38 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1400 Points (580 games), (25 years, 313 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1500 Points (620 games), (26 years, 44 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1600 Points (667 games), (26 years, 330 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1700 Points (711 games), (27 years, 285 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1800 Points (754 games), (28 years, 23 days)
Fastest & Youngest 1900 Points (803 games), (28 years, 318 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2000 Points (857 games), (29 years, 273 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2100 Points (908 games), (30 years, 27 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2200 Points (962 games), (30 years, 349 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2300 Points (1026 games), (32 years, 39 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2400 Points (1091 games), (32 years, 351 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2500 Points (1165 games), (34 years, 81 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2600 Points (1244 games), (35 years, 52 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2700 Points (1331 games), (36 years, 67 days)
Fastest & Youngest 2800 Points (1422 games), (37 years, 264 days)
[2]

Oh Sh!t, I thought it was the link. Sorry about the thread killer.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 9:33 AM ET
Ya but with The Lanny McDonald's not the Blues. I think he is working in the front office now?
- LamontSanford



Yes he is Vice President of Hockey Operations.



Imagine that , putting a hockey guy in charge of Hockey Operations.


Who'd of thunk?
Pairo11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection.
Joined: 10.15.2007

Apr 26 @ 9:35 AM ET
YES ITS CRAZY TALK (**IMO**)
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- LamontSanford



Your mother !

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 9:35 AM ET
YES ITS CRAZY TALK (**IMO**)
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- LamontSanford




And won zero cups without Messier yet Messier won 2 without Gretzky.


If you want to build a team around the best pure talent, then you build it around Gretzky.

If the goal is to win the cup you build it around Messier.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 26 @ 9:36 AM ET
And won zero cups without Messier yet Messier won 2 without Gretzky.


If you want to build a team around the best pure talent, then you build it around Gretzky.

If the goal is to win the cup you build it around Messier.

- dadeadhead

I have gotten a lot of heat over the years for saying Messier is the third best player over super mario

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 9:38 AM ET
I have gotten a lot of heat over the years for saying Messier is the third best player over super mario
- homiedclown



As well as I've taken heat that Mike Bossy was the best pure goal scorer ever.
LamontSanford
Buffalo Sabres
Location: You Big Dummy
Joined: 01.13.2011

Apr 26 @ 9:39 AM ET
Your mother !


- Pairo11

She has not won a cup yet. She did just get some false teeth so she might look more like a hockey star now.
Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY
Joined: 04.19.2007

Apr 26 @ 9:39 AM ET
As well as I've taken heat that Mike Bossy was the best pure goal scorer ever.
- dadeadhead


I won't give you heat, but I'll take Mario.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 26 @ 9:40 AM ET
As well as I've taken heat that Mike Bossy was the best pure goal scorer ever.
- dadeadhead

I have him 5th

it's splitting hairs after orr though
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 26 @ 9:42 AM ET
I won't give you heat, but I'll take Mario.
- Gunner Staal

.762 goals per game for bossy
mario is second all time with .754

mario has the best in the playoffs, bossy is second
seabass is third
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 26 @ 9:47 AM ET
I won't give you heat, but I'll take Mario.
- Gunner Staal



Fair enough.
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