It was known that they go out and party...nobody knew that leadership and that partying was such a problem that they both needed to be traded away.

anyone who pretends they knew that was an issue and saw those two trades coming is lying and doing their best U_G impression.
- Juice

In the playoffs 2 years ago Richards was making comments about how they would win the series (i forget which one) becuase they are simply better then the other team. At the time people were questioning his leadership and calling him an arognat SoB. I think that lead to his losing the captaincy.

He's only had one really bad year and then been down with the blood issue.... what makes you think he's going to regress?
- burn

Didn't say he would.

Gillis? That's a lateral move IMO.
- LeftCoaster

Agreed

I guess you can argue that all day... But the fact remains that Luongo is still a world class goalie regardless of how crappy he is.



- robin_steele264

Yup.... never said otherwise. So there is no real argument. Just pointing out the inconsistencies of troll... who BTW have disappeared after being schooled.

Lu will be in Tampa next year (ties to Yzerman from Olympics).

But I soooo hope he goes to the Leafs, especially if they give up their 1st Rd pick this year for him! Burke will overpay this year for a goalie and centerman, he is desperate. If Leafs miss the playoffs next year, he is fired IMO.

I never said that.... but the issues of why they were traded (at least in part) were widely know before.
- burn

The reasons started coming out as the trades got closer. To start the year, nobody was talking about it.

We already have a huge, life sucking, horrible contract we don't need another.

Lupul qualifies in the Hemsky arena... in the dude is made of glass... you will see this upcoming season... but let me guess he will be worth 2 1st rders and a prospect cause he is a masterton candidate right????
- OIH8U2

that's pretty pathetic...keep up the good work.

In the playoffs 2 years ago Richards was making comments about how they would win the series (i forget which one) becuase they are simply better then the other team. At the time people were questioning his leadership and calling him an arognat SoB. I think that lead to his losing the captaincy.
- Oilhab

Agreed....but nobody saw the trades coming and that was the original point.

Some dude questioned why Washington would want Luongo and my reply was basically "strange things happen that you don't always see coming" but I used the Richards/Carter situations as my example.

By "year before" do you mean "the month leading up to the trades"?

People mentioned that Pronger stepped in and took over the leadership, but NOBODY knew those two trades were coming.

There were alwasy Carter trade rumors but Richards as well...nope, I don't believe for a second that people saw that coming.
- Juice

They knew there was problems with the 2, and most people thought separating them would help. I don't think most people thought they would trade both within days of each other, as it was seen as a bit too risky.
But people knew both of them were not in th egood books with the team.

Didn't say he would.
- Mattjd123

"lets see if he regresses" is basically implying it..... do you take the same stance with everyone??

The reasons started coming out as the trades got closer. To start the year, nobody was talking about it.
- Juice

That's what I said?

Agreed....but nobody saw the trades coming and that was the original point.

Some dude questioned why Washington would want Luongo and my reply was basically "strange things happen that you don't always see coming" but I used the Richards/Carter situations as my example.
- Juice

Ok, if Luongo to Washington happened, it would be strange like Philly trading both players within days of each other, but not strange in the same ways, but strange none the less.

"lets see if he regresses" is basically implying it..... do you take the same stance with everyone??
- burn

or he could improve...

Just saying he had a great year last year, but it was only one good year (recently).

If he keeps it up, awesome, he has the value that constantly gets placed on him.

If not, flash in the pan.


I'll wait for your next assumed inference.

That's what I said?
- burn

Allllright now you're just trying to confuse things.

We already have a huge, life sucking, horrible contract we don't need another.
- Artyukhin76

Roberto package for Vinny package?

or he could improve...

Just saying he had a great year last year, but it was only one good year (recently).

If he keeps it up, awesome, he has the value that constantly gets placed on him.

If not, flash in the pan.


I'll wait for your next assumed inference.
- Mattjd123

Flash in the pan with several good year. I don't know what you are up to but it's getting awfully dumb.

I kind of want to see Lu on the Hawks....just to see Lu on the Hawks and how odd it would be. Not happening though.
- dan9189

same sediments..id say WTF! just happend.....

"lets see if he regresses" is basically implying it..... do you take the same stance with everyone??
- burn

Lupul has had an up and down career, it's not out of the realm of possibilty to see his production drop next year, seeing as he increased his career best by 34% this year.

Ok, if Luongo to Washington happened, it would be strange like Philly trading both players within days of each other, but not strange in the same ways, but strange none the less.
- Oilhab

This!

That was all I really meant.

Wendel Clark got traded
Both Carter AND Richards got traded
Belfour played for San Jose
Brett Hull played for team USA
Glen Sather stayed employed through all his years of NYR mediocrity
Messier played for the Canucks
Leafs still rack in the most $$$ even though they're absolutely horrible

Strange things happen in the NHL

Roberto package for Vinny package?
- Oilhab

holy , hell...we dont need vinny #4....

Flashing the pan with several good year. I don't know what you are up to but it's getting awfully dumb.
- burn

Lupul for the Hart.

This!

That was all I really meant.

Wendel Clark got traded
Both Carter AND Richards got traded
Belfour played for San Jose
Brett Hull played for team USA
Glen Sather stayed employed through all his years of NYR mediocrity
Messier played for the Canucks
Leafs still rack in the most $$$ even though they're absolutely horrible

Strange things happen in the NHL
- Juice

Robbed, is more like it.

Allllright now you're just trying to confuse things.
- Juice

Who's confused.... You said no one knew of the issues until after the trade. I simply said that the issues of drinking and partying were widely known before the trade. End of story.

holy , hell...we dont need vinny #4....
- Canuckfan2006