Actually Burn is one of the most realistic Leafs fans around here.

I just don't happen to agree with him or Prock this time around.

... hey Burn, Niemi won a cup. Was he therefore better than the goalies the Leafs had?
- GoneFullRetard

I see your point, but he also didnt do it for the same years as cujo did.and joseph was doing his thing before he got to Toronto.

rather have that other American center, Stastny
- bobbyisno1

I can dig that, dece choice.

Gawd!! I freaking said that! Gez!
- burn

So where's the victory in saying "Cujo was a proven veteran 10 years ago"? He signed here for four years and ditched as soon as he had a chance to play in Detroit. How is that anyway better than a 24 year old who put up better numbers and who is going to be a part of their future?

I see, so Gilmour wins the Selke, and scores 127 points, good for 7th in the league in scoring, all the while having bigtime physical impact, but Kesler is 3 inches taller so he's better.

LOL. I admit saying Kulimen was a powerforward.

EDIT - note, I'd love having Kesler on the Leafs, but he's no dougie.
- prock

Say what?

Are you on drugs?
- prock

That post says more about you than me, friend.

So what does Vokoun's .922 on a 28th place team last year mean then?
- prock

That he's not a horrid goalie.

Big difference between a 25 year old and a 35 year old by the way.

That post says more about you than me, friend.
- GoneFullRetard

So where's the victory in saying "Cujo was a proven veteran 10 years ago"? He signed here for four years and ditched as soon as he had a chance to play in Detroit. How is that anyway better than a 24 year old who put up better numbers and who is going to be a part of their future?
- Unholy_Goalie

I think you and Burn/Prock are not entirely arguing the same thing.

You are arguing who you would rather have on your team and who may ultimately be the better goalie, whereas they are arguing based on Price accomplishments to date vs. what CuJo/Belfour did as Leafs.

I still think CuJo/Belfour had much more to work with than Price, so ultimately I agree with you, but there is definitely a disconnect here as I agree with some points Burn has made also.

So where's the victory in saying "Cujo was a proven veteran 10 years ago"? He signed here for four years and ditched as soon as he had a chance to play in Detroit. How is that anyway better than a 24 year old who put up better numbers and who is going to be a part of their future?
- Unholy_Goalie

Because age and future where not relevant in the discussion. It was simply about who produced more.

Better numbers? Check again?

I think you and Burn/Prock are not entirely arguing the same thing.

You are arguing who you would rather have on your team and who may ultimately be the better goalie, whereas they are arguing based on Price accomplishments to date vs. what CuJo/Belfour did as Leafs.

I still think CuJo/Belfour had much more to work with than Price, so ultimately I agree with you, but there is definitely a disconnect here as I agree with some points Burn has made also.
- GoneFullRetard

This.

Because age and future where not relevant in the discussion. It was simply about who produced more.

Better numbers? Check again?
- burn

Yes, better numbers. Cujo never won 38 games or had a .923%. Check again if you'd like. Price was 24, Joseph was 34. Keep it in mind.

Strange there haven't been any Philly fans in here crying "conspiracy" for not having wayne simmonds nominated for the masterton trophy.
- kneughter

eh, they're all a little 'touched' in the head, flyers fans.

I think you and Burn/Prock are not entirely arguing the same thing.

You are arguing who you would rather have on your team and who may ultimately be the better goalie, whereas they are arguing based on Price accomplishments to date vs. what CuJo/Belfour did as Leafs.

I still think CuJo/Belfour had much more to work with than Price, so ultimately I agree with you, but there is definitely a disconnect here as I agree with some points Burn has made also.
- GoneFullRetard

And if you look at the stats, Price does both. And, as previously mentioned, Belfour is the only one who even came close.

The difference is playoffs and the teams the Leafs had to give to Joseph and Belfour, as you said, gave them a lot more to work with, especially Joseph.

Yes, better numbers. Cujo never won 38 games or had a .923%. Check again if you'd like. Price was 24, Joseph was 33. Keep it in mind.
- Unholy_Goalie

.923 places him 13th, Joseph's .915 places him 9th.

Not to mention the huge gap in playoff performance.... keep going,

Yes, better numbers. Cujo never won 38 games or had a .923%. Check again if you'd like. Price was 24, Joseph was 34. Keep it in mind.
- Unholy_Goalie

Keep in mind that that is irrelevant.

.923 places him 13th, Joseph's .915 places him 9th.

Not to mention the huge gap in playoff performance.... keep going,
- burn

Goalies have kind of become better in the past 10 years.

Just a kind of.

Keep going.

And if you look at the stats, Price does both. And, as previously mentioned, Belfour is the only one who even came close.

The difference is playoffs and the teams the Leafs had to give to Joseph and Belfour, as you said, gave them a lot more to work with, especially Joseph.
- Unholy_Goalie

No.

Keep in mind that that is irrelevant.
- burn

It's not irrelevant. Price hasn't reached his peak yet. That was Joseph at his absolute best.

Goalies have kind of become better in the past 10 years.

Just a kind of.

Keep going.
- Unholy_Goalie

So goalies got better and that means that being the 13th placed position is better than 9th? K.

It's not irrelevant. Price hasn't reached his peak yet. That was Joseph at his absolute best.
- Unholy_Goalie

SO?? That's not what was said. Dam you are so dense. The argument was that Price RIGHT NOW is better than anything the last 20 years. That is false.

So goalies got better and that means that being the 13th placed position is better than 9th? K.
- burn

More competition.

In 1999/2000, guys like Steve Shields, Fred Brathwaite and Tommy Salo were playing 60 and 70 games a year.

SO?? That's not what was said. Dam you are so dense. The argument was that Price RIGHT NOW is better than anything the last 20 years. That is false.
- burn

Name a Leaf goalie, in the history of the franchise, who has won 38 games.

Good luck.

Name a Leaf goalie, in the history of the franchise, who has won 38 games.

Good luck.


- Unholy_Goalie

The all mighty Raycroft was 1 off.....

SO?? That's not what was said. Dam you are so dense. The argument was that Price RIGHT NOW is better than anything the last 20 years. That is false.
- burn

No, it's just sad that you're arguing semantics right now rather than realize the point of the comment. You are so incredibly defensive about the fact that the Habs have a great young goalie and the Leafs haven't seen one as good in nearly a decade.

The all mighty Raycroft was 1 off.....
- burn

With a .923%? At 24 years old?