Everything was pretty much a fact, should we name the players who had there worst seasons under lindy??? I'll start 1. Brad Boyes 2. Ville Leino 3. Robyn Regehr
4. Christian Ehrhoff ( 2nd worst season )
- sbroads24

For Regehr and Erhoff how were they worst ever seasons? Points wise? Yeah have to bear in mind they are defencemen. They dont't keep stats for breaking up 2 on 1's or crushing Ovetchkin in to the boards and rendering him useless the rest of a game.


edit: I'm going to say this though. I think Regehr at his 4 mil a year is obsolete. He wasn't a stand our figure from a leadership standpoint. I don't think his services are that important.

For Regehr and Erhoff how were they worst ever seasons? Points wise? Yeah have to bear in mind they are defencemen. They dont't keep stats for breaking up 2 on 1's or crushing Ovetchkin in to the boards and rendering him useless the rest of a game.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Statistically. Plus/Minus, points, in Ehrhoff's case ten less goals. People are forgetting how bad he was the first 20 games this year, same with Regehr, dont get me wrong, I love the Hoff, love the signing, but if your gonna point out that 3 all-star players had their best seasons under Lindy, and somehow use that as a defense for keeping him, then you need to point out players who statiscially had their worst seasons undr him.

Ruff has always changed lines too much, injuries or not. Its his biggest fault as a coach IMO
- Rally_Shots

I'd put his handling of the backups up there, but i guess they're related.

Roy , 2nd for Travis Zajac
- gerbe75pts

I think they should give us the pick!!!
Zajac has just as bad a season last year as Roy did this year, actually a little worse IMO
Plus, only had 6pts in 15 games this year
Zajac at 26 is only 2 years younger than Roy, but Roy has 5 good seasons to Zajac's 2...
Before this season, Roy averaged .9 ppg (74.5pts) over the previous 5 seasons
I'm ALMOST positive he'll bounce back next year...
So if we don't get a good offer for him now,
We should hang on to him till at least Christmas n see what kind of offers we can get

I think they should give us the pick!!!
Zajac has just as bad a season last year as Roy did this year, actually a little worse IMO
Plus, only had 6pts in 15 games this year
Zajac at 26 is only 2 years younger than Roy, but Roy has 5 good seasons to Zajac's 2...
Before this season, Roy averaged .9 ppg (74.5pts) over the previous 5 seasons
I'm ALMOST positive he'll bounce back next year...
So if we don't get a good offer for him now,
We should hang on to him till at least Christmas n see what kind of offers we can get
- jdfitz77

Yeah, but which one would you rather have dating your daughter?

I think they should give us the pick!!!
Zajac has just as bad a season last year as Roy did this year, actually a little worse IMO
Plus, only had 6pts in 15 games this year
Zajac at 26 is only 2 years younger than Roy, but Roy has 5 good seasons to Zajac's 2...
Before this season, Roy averaged .9 ppg (74.5pts) over the previous 5 seasons
I'm ALMOST positive he'll bounce back next year...
So if we don't get a good offer for him now,
We should hang on to him till at least Christmas n see what kind of offers we can get
- jdfitz77

It's either him or Vanek that have to go at the draft If we want a shot at another good center or a Parise.

I think they should give us the pick!!!
Zajac has just as bad a season last year as Roy did this year, actually a little worse IMO
Plus, only had 6pts in 15 games this year
Zajac at 26 is only 2 years younger than Roy, but Roy has 5 good seasons to Zajac's 2...
Before this season, Roy averaged .9 ppg (74.5pts) over the previous 5 seasons
I'm ALMOST positive he'll bounce back next year...
So if we don't get a good offer for him now,
We should hang on to him till at least Christmas n see what kind of offers we can get
- jdfitz77

It's either him or Vanek that have to go at the draft If we want a shot at another good center or a Parise.

So you think we paid a guy 10 years 40 million to be Marc Andre-Bergeron....Ok got it. LOL he was a minus 2 this season, so you were expecting worse?
- sbroads24

You're clearly on these boards to argue ppl instead of discussing with valid points
Everything u say is OPINION with no facts to back it up
And u take what ppl say, and INCORRECTLY interperet their remarks (based on how u reply)
I'm done talking to u...
Your acting like a troll

EDIT
Sorry if that was harsh...
I'm having a crabby day n your retorts are just really irritating me for some reason

Yeah, but which one would you rather have dating your daughter?
- nfph

Wassup Cisco? You ready for some game 7 action?

You're clearly on these boards to argue ppl instead of discussing with valid points
Everything u say is OPINION with no facts to back it up
And u take what ppl say, and INCORRECTLY interperet their remarks (based on how u reply)
I'm done talking to u...
Your acting like a troll

EDIT
Sorry if that was harsh...
I'm having a crabby day n your retorts are just really irritating me for some reason
- jdfitz77

Im irritated as well.... Not at you, just the different things people will use to defend Lindy Ruff. I have never seen some much discussion towards firing a coach or GM for consecutive years in a row without anything actually happening

Wassup Cisco? You ready for some game 7 action?
- Buffalo--Sabres

TBH, I kinda blew my 1st round load on the Flyers and Kings, but having the Rangers go home early would be some good entertainment nonetheless.

Im irritated as well.... Not at you, just the different things people will use to defend Lindy Ruff. I have never seen some much discussion towards firing a coach or GM for consecutive years in a row without anything actually happening
- sbroads24

I beleive it was Puckdaddy from yahoo on Shredd and Regan last week and he said the rest of the league regards Lindy and Darcy's tenure and just unbeleivable.

yes, that is why guys like Breie and Dury, Campbell, to name a few had their best years under Ruff... check facts before throwing out garbage statements...
- JoeSabre

This is the statement that made me crabby, I hate when people use players that havent been here for 4 or 5 years as a way to somehow feel that the fact that this team is under acheiving has nothing to do with lindy

Im irritated as well.... Not at you, just the different things people will use to defend Lindy Ruff. I have never seen some much discussion towards firing a coach or GM for consecutive years in a row without anything actually happening
- sbroads24

I get where you're coming from
I was just trying to point out how players tend to struggle in their 1st seasons here, but the rebound to be fairly successful
I wasn't trying to defend or condemn Ruff one way or the other...
But looking back I can see why u lumped me in with those ppl that were
Sorry for snapping at u

I beleive it was Puckdaddy from yahoo on Shredd and Regan last week and he said the rest of the league regards Lindy and Darcy's tenure and just unbeleivable.
- Buffalo--Sabres

It is unreal.

I get where you're coming from
I was just trying to point out how players tend to struggle in their 1st seasons here, but the rebound to be fairly successful
I wasn't trying to defend or condemn Ruff one way or the other...
But looking back I can see why u lumped me in with those ppl that were
Sorry for snapping at u
- jdfitz77

no prob. My bad on the MAB comment, that was kid of douchey

This is the statement that made me crabby, I hate when people use players that havent been here for 4 or 5 years as a way to somehow feel that the fact that this team is under acheiving has nothing to do with lindy
- sbroads24

It's kind of "the chicken & the egg"
Was lindy a good coach bc we had good players? Or we're those players good bc lindy was a good coach?
There's examples to support both statements IMO

Drury especially developed under lindy to be the player that calgary thought they were getting... For whatever reason, he was a disappointment before and after he was here... But excelled under lindy

I think we can go back and forth with examples though,
Especially post-lockout

It's kind of "the chicken & the egg"
Was lindy a good coach bc we had good players? Or we're those players good bc lindy was a good coach?
There's examples to support both statements IMO

Drury especially developed under lindy to be the player that calgary thought they were getting... For whatever reason, he was a disappointment before and after he was here... But excelled under lindy

I think we can go back and forth with examples though,
Especially post-lockout
- jdfitz77

Drury was clutch and thrived under Lindy's system, but Breire is still a clutch guy, same with Campbell. They all are good players no matter what. Like I said earlier, would you credit Hartnell and simmond's career years to Laviolette? Or that the Flyers are just supremely talented. IMO Niether of them would score like that on other teams. Thats how I feel about the post lockout Breire/ Drury Sabres, they were more a product of having eachother rather than having Lindy, Vanek also had career numbers when Breire and Drury were around, same with Dumont, Kotalik, alot of guys. But IMO Ruff should get little credit for that.

Fire Ruff

It's either him or Vanek that have to go at the draft If we want a shot at another good center or a Parise.
- sbroads24

I think it's gonna be REALLY hard to get Parise or Suter to come here
ESP when there will be teams that actually made the playoffs offering big bucks
And if Nashville makes a deep run (I actually picked them to win it all)... Then Suter prob re-signs

I will say this though...
I LOVE how the playoffs are turning out
Bc there are some GOOD players on these teams that are crapping out who might possibly be available bc the teams wanna move in a different direction

Will Vancouver make major changes? If so, sign me up for the Kesler sweepstakes

Or even less talented guys like Dubinsky from the rangers
Talented, hard-nosed player... Kinda guy we NEED...
And even though he played mostly wing this year, had a much better season last year when he played more at center...
He's good at faceoffs & tough to play against...
I'm having trouble thinking of a better potential 3rd line center...
And with him having a disappointing season on the scoreboard, maybe the rangers move his 4mil contract to make room for a run at Parise or Semin...?
If so, we can prob get him for a pick... 2nd rounder?

Sharp or Seabrook in Chicago, gerbe brought up Zajac from jersey... Both teams HAVE to make changes...
Will Detroit make significant moves? Pittsburgh?

This offseason could be VERY interesting

yes, that is why guys like Breie and Dury, Campbell, to name a few had their best years under Ruff... check facts before throwing out garbage statements...

This is your quote.
Those "best years" you are giving Ruff the credit, not the fact that the Sabres were the most equipped team post-lockout and were loaded with talent. We were the highest scoring team in the NHL. Numbers get inflated, Campbell is the same player he was, Drury was on the decline when he left, Breire has been effective in Philly and has had a few injuries but dominates in the playoffs. Ruff didnt make these players by any means. This Lindy Ruff defense about a group of players that never won a cup having their "best" seasons as the reason were keeping him is getting to be a joke.
- sbroads24

Now you are really not making any sense. I guess when players play well it is because they are talented and when they don't it is because they coach stinks.....oh boy

Drury was clutch and thrived under Lindy's system, but Breire is still a clutch guy, same with Campbell. They all are good players no matter what. Like I said earlier, would you credit Hartnell and simmond's career years to Laviolette? Or that the Flyers are just supremely talented. IMO Niether of them would score like that on other teams. Thats how I feel about the post lockout Breire/ Drury Sabres, they were more a product of having eachother rather than having Lindy, Vanek also had career numbers when Breire and Drury were around, same with Dumont, Kotalik, alot of guys. But IMO Ruff should get little credit for that.
- sbroads24

Good points
But really, that's true with ANY team and just about any player
Of course you'll be successful when more talent is around you
Like I said, I think good points can be made in either direction

Let me ask this...
If the main problem with ruff is that his message has become "stale"
Is that really an issue if we were to trade Roy and possibly vanek or stafford
Because of we do that,
There actually won't be many players left that have been here all that long

Maybe it's not Ruff,
You could make a point that the "core" of this team is better at being secondary players than guys u NEED to count on...
And if that's the case,
It prob wouldn't matter who the coach is

This is the statement that made me crabby, I hate when people use players that havent been here for 4 or 5 years as a way to somehow feel that the fact that this team is under acheiving has nothing to do with lindy
- sbroads24

That only followed you stating that Ruff can't get his players to play to their potential and strenghts. man you just hate Ruff, so just say it and be done with it. You don't have to make stuff up to make your point... just say i don't like Ruff and calll it a day

keep him

Now you are really not making any sense. I guess when players play well it is because they are talented and when they don't it is because they coach stinks.....oh boy
- JoeSabre

Yup that was exactly what I said..... I love your Ruff defense.. Someone makes a valid point about players not being used properly .. and you berade them with nonsense about players who havent been here for 4 years. Keep riding The Drury/breire cotails, Lindy and Darcy sure are