I just do not want 3 small players on my team

Ill take Ennis n Gerbe
Send Roy to Cape Cod aka Provinctown

Nobody cares about Boston
- DrRecchi

Right On.

What is weird about Roy is that he is from here and there isn't a lot of love for the guy. I've heard a lot of people comment on his attitude, which is odd as generally the guys who either are from her or played here (67s, Olympiques) get nothing but love. He's rubbed some people the wrong way around here obviously. Seems fans in Buffalo don't have much of an attachment to him either. Take it for what its worth.

EDIT: I should also say I don't know the guy, just passing along some info.

It's a contract year so ride him - ride him hard

Everything was pretty much a fact, should we name the players who had there worst seasons under lindy??? I'll start 1. Brad Boyes 2. Ville Leino 3. Robyn Regehr
4. Christian Ehrhoff ( 2nd worst season )
- sbroads24

All players that just got here...
Remember how bad Spacek was that first year...
And we all blasted Regier for signing him & letting McKee go?
Spacek went in to have 2 good seasons after that

Boyes obviously didn't work out, but for whatever reason he had lost his scoring touch... That's why St.L traded him in the first place
Regehr had a different def partner every night it seemed bc of all the injuries, he'll be much better next year
Ehrhoff really came on since he returned from his injury... And became a pretty decent "defensive" player as well, which he was never known for prior to being here... If his late season play is an example if what we should expect from him, we'll be pretty happy for years to come
Leino was a disaster. Not much more to be said about it except hopefully, like Spacek, he can rebound from a terrible first year to be productive for us... But if we can somehow move him, that'd be fine by me

But overall... I'll reserve my opinion on Regehr, Ehrhoff & Leino till next offseason though

It's a contract year so ride him - ride him hard
- Canada Cup

I agree. I'm guessing they will try to put a trade package together for an "upgrade" but if they can't hang onto him instead of getting a so-so deal and flip him at the deadline.

This is poorly thought out so feel free to call me names and insult my hockey I.Q. but to Brad Boyes' supposed quotes....if your coach (read:boss) is telling you how to do your job better and you fail to do so and you are getting let go (read: fired) then of course you'll be a little wiener about it.

The other thing I'd love to hear someone argue for is the fact that players seem to have so much power and get coddled alot these days. I mean if the coach who has played in the league (not Hitchcock) and then probably did some coaching and assistant coaching he probably has a good idea of how to do things. Of course personnel helps fuel success (i.e. Is Bill Belicheck anything without Brady?) but the money these players make, the climate of the league for trades and talent is in a place that affords the players to b**ch and "get a coach" fired. Of course they sure know if they don't perform they aren't going anywhere. Or, if they do it's just to another place where they can play until someone hurts their feelings and they can complain and try to get the next guy fired.

All players that just got here...
Remember how bad Spacek was that first year...
And we all blasted Regier for signing him & letting McKee go?
Spacek went in to have 2 good seasons after that

Boyes obviously didn't work out, but for whatever reason he had lost his scoring touch... That's why St.L traded him in the first place
Regehr had a different def partner every night it seemed bc of all the injuries, he'll be much better next year
Ehrhoff really came on since he returned from his injury... And became a pretty decent "defensive" player as well, which he was never known for prior to being here... If his late season play is an example if what we should expect from him, we'll be pretty happy for years to come
Leino was a disaster. Not much more to be said about it except hopefully, like Spacek, he can rebound from a terrible first year to be productive for us... But if we can somehow move him, that'd be fine by me

But overall... I'll reserve my opinion on Regehr, Ehrhoff & Leino till next offseason though
- jdfitz77

I think people forget how bad Ehrhoff was his first 20 games here, As far as the reason being players have just arrived, you dont think it has anything to do with coaching???? 3 players that are newly aquired have there worst statsitical seasons of their careers and it's all the players fault??? As far as Ehrhoff you are incorrect, he was the best d man available in free agency for a reason, not because he was a bad defender, he is turning out to be exactly what was expected defensivley.

I just do not want 3 small players on my team

Ill take Ennis n Gerbe Send Roy to Cape Cod aka Provinctown
- JerryKorab

Must go too, one mige...I mean little person is enough.

Oh, and if anyone suggests we trade Roy (or anyone) for Joe Thorton or Patrick Marleau, I will punch you in the junk (or baby maker) for mentioning that.

You do not want either of those guys on our team. Especially if you are the one saying something like; "we're soft, or don't have playoff performers, or lack heart".


As you were....

I agree. I'm guessing they will try to put a trade package together for an "upgrade" but if they can't hang onto him instead of getting a so-so deal and flip him at the deadline.

This is poorly thought out so feel free to call me names and insult my hockey I.Q. but to Brad Boyes' supposed quotes....if your coach (read:boss) is telling you how to do your job better and you fail to do so and you are getting let go (read: fired) then of course you'll be a little wiener about it.

The other thing I'd love to hear someone argue for is the fact that players seem to have so much power and get coddled alot these days. I mean if the coach who has played in the league (not Hitchcock) and then probably did some coaching and assistant coaching he probably has a good idea of how to do things. Of course personnel helps fuel success (i.e. Is Bill Belicheck anything without Brady?) but the money these players make, the climate of the league for trades and talent is in a place that affords the players to b**ch and "get a coach" fired. Of course they sure know if they don't perform they aren't going anywhere. Or, if they do it's just to another place where they can play until someone hurts their feelings and they can complain and try to get the next guy fired.
- Charlie Conway

I think you under estimate the fact that these players really want to win as well. For guys like Roy and the rest of the core Lindy has been their only NHL coach, like I said it's just stale, the players know they arent going to win with him, his system and motivational techniques dont work because they have see them all. It's the big leagues. Win or get fired. Somehow Ruff and Regeir dont get treated the same as everyone else

Roy , 2nd for Travis Zajac

Oh, and if anyone suggests we trade Roy (or anyone) for Joe Thorton or Patrick Marleau, I will punch you in the junk (or baby maker) for mentioning that.

You do not want either of those guys on our team. Especially if you are the one saying something like; "we're soft, or don't have playoff performers, or lack heart".


As you were....
- Charlie Conway

We should probabaly Package Roy,Gerbe, and Nashville's 1st for Thorton and Marleau in July.

We should probabaly Package Roy,Gerbe, and Nashville's 1st for Thorton and Marleau in July.
- LamontSanford

hilarious.

It appears as though we have 4 different options as for what to do with Roy...

#1... trade him as part of a package to get a top line center... This is prob most people's preferred move... It'll have to be done in the offseason
#2... Trade him to move up in the draft, presumably to pick either Griegorenko or Galchenyuk (u all know where I stand on this issue... Hahaha)
#3... Trade him for prospects... Now this is an interesting idea... If moved in the offseason, he probably gets us back a decent prospect or two... But if we wait till the deadline, assuming Roy has a bounce-back year (and there's more reasons to think he will than he won't), we could get A LOT for him at the deadline... Goose got a 1st round pick, gratton got us briere, zhitnik got the flyers coburn from Atlanta... There should be a bunch of teams interested & we could have a bidding war... BUT...
#4... if he does have a nice bounce-back season, we might just keep him... If he's not traded this offseason, I could see this happening... Look at Darcy's history. We rarely trade guys when in the middle of a playoff run... Campbell is the only one I can think of... But we kept Briere even though they had no intention to re-sign him... And even this year with a 3rd/4th liner like Boyes. Darcy came out n said we kept him for depth... I could see him making a similar statement next year as to why Roy wasn't traded...

My opinion is that unless we can get a solid center, with a good cap#, that is signed BEYOND next season (like pavelski)...
Then we should move up & go after Galchenyuk, who I think will be a stud for us for years

Everything was pretty much a fact, should we name the players who had there worst seasons under lindy??? I'll start 1. Brad Boyes 2. Ville Leino 3. Robyn Regehr
4. Christian Ehrhoff ( 2nd worst season )
- sbroads24

those are they players you are hanging your hat on ...really.. #1 reiger didn't have that bad of a season and neither did Ehrhoff, as far as the others......Boyes (St Louis got rid of him for a reason) and Leino...(give him another year... come on man.. you got to do better than that to make your point that players have their worst years under Ruff.

those are they players you are hanging your hat on ...really.. #1 reiger didn't have that bad of a season and neither did Ehrhoff, as far as the others......Boyes and Leino... come on man.. you got to better than that to make your point that players have their worst years under Ruff.
- JoeSabre

Well then your gonna have to do alot better than Briere Drury and Campbell on arguably the most talented team in hockey post lockout? Are you gonna credit Wayne Simmonds or Scott Hartnell's success on Peter Loaviolette? Or on the fact that they are on an incredibly talented team?

I also think Roy is not a good veteran
He also shows to much emotion when something is not going right
a winer crybaby, dont want the younger ones being stained by that attitude
We want a never give up attitude, you must win despite the reffs

those are they players you are hanging your hat on ...really.. #1 reiger didn't have that bad of a season and neither did Ehrhoff, as far as the others......Boyes (St Louis got rid of him for a reason) and Leino...(give him another year... come on man.. you got to do better than that to make your point that players have their worst years under Ruff.
- JoeSabre

By the way you can say Campbell best season has been this season. So kudos to Kevin Dineen for making that happen

those are they players you are hanging your hat on ...really.. #1 reiger didn't have that bad of a season and neither did Ehrhoff, as far as the others......Boyes (St Louis got rid of him for a reason) and Leino...(give him another year... come on man.. you got to do better than that to make your point that players have their worst years under Ruff.
- JoeSabre

They got rid of him for a 2nd round pick. hardly getting rid of anything.

Well then your gonna have to do alot better than Briere Drury and Campbell on arguably the most talented team in hockey post lockout? Are you gonna credit Wayne Simmonds or Scott Hartnell's success on Peter Loaviolette? Or on the fact that they are on an incredibly talented team?
- sbroads24

What are you talking about.. that makes no sense... you said that Ruff doesn't play his players to their strenghts... I gave you Drury, Breir and Cambell as an example of how he does, and why do you think they we the most talented team post lockout, because Ruff put them in a system that macthed their talent and they succeeded.....

I think people forget how bad Ehrhoff was his first 20 games here, As far as the reason being players have just arrived, you dont think it has anything to do with coaching???? 3 players that are newly aquired have there worst statsitical seasons of their careers and it's all the players fault??? As far as Ehrhoff you are incorrect, he was the best d man available in free agency for a reason, not because he was a bad defender, he is turning out to be exactly what was expected defensivley.
- sbroads24

Ehrhoff was never known for his "defensive" game... Go talk to some ppl on the Vancouver boards if u don't believe me

As for players having a bad 1st season with us...
History shows that happens under ruff, then they improve the following season & moving forward

IMO, it does have somewhat to do with ruff,
Bc he does juggle lines & pairings so much it's hard for someone to find a comfort level & be consistent... All while learning a new system...
But that doesn't mean he's a BAD coach,
Otherwise, how do u explain the bounce-back players seem to have AFTER that 1st bad year with us... Or the constant improvement of past players like briere, drury, etc who all had their BEST seasons as a Sabre, only to move on to good teams and not put up those same numbers?

By the way you can say Campbell best season has been this season. So kudos to Kevin Dineen for making that happen
- sbroads24

Why do you think Campbell got the contract he did back then. Maybe you could credit Ruff with developing Campbell into what he is today... Dineed certainly didn't develop Campbell.

What are you talking about.. that makes no sense... you said that Ruff doesn't play his players to their strenghts... I gave you Drury, Breir and Cambell as an example of how he does, and why do you think they we the most talented team post lockout, because Ruff put them in a system that macthed their talent and they succeeded.....
- JoeSabre

yes, that is why guys like Breie and Dury, Campbell, to name a few had their best years under Ruff... check facts before throwing out garbage statements...

This is your quote.
Those "best years" you are giving Ruff the credit, not the fact that the Sabres were the most equipped team post-lockout and were loaded with talent. We were the highest scoring team in the NHL. Numbers get inflated, Campbell is the same player he was, Drury was on the decline when he left, Breire has been effective in Philly and has had a few injuries but dominates in the playoffs. Ruff didnt make these players by any means. This Lindy Ruff defense about a group of players that never won a cup having their "best" seasons as the reason were keeping him is getting to be a joke.

Ehrhoff was never known for his "defensive" game... Go talk to some ppl on the Vancouver boards if u don't believe me

As for players having a bad 1st season with us...
History shows that happens under ruff, then they improve the following season & moving forward

IMO, it does have somewhat to do with ruff,
Bc he does juggle lines & pairings so much it's hard for someone to find a comfort level & be consistent... All while learning a new system...
But that doesn't mean he's a BAD coach,
Otherwise, how do u explain the bounce-back players seem to have AFTER that 1st bad year with us... Or the constant improvement of past players like briere, drury, etc who all had their BEST seasons as a Sabre, only to move on to good teams and not put up those same numbers?
- jdfitz77

So you think we paid a guy 10 years 40 million to be Marc Andre-Bergeron....Ok got it. LOL he was a minus 2 this season, so you were expecting worse?

Ehrhoff was never known for his "defensive" game... Go talk to some ppl on the Vancouver boards if u don't believe me

As for players having a bad 1st season with us...
History shows that happens under ruff, then they improve the following season & moving forward

IMO, it does have somewhat to do with ruff,
Bc he does juggle lines & pairings so much it's hard for someone to find a comfort level & be consistent... All while learning a new system...
But that doesn't mean he's a BAD coach,
Otherwise, how do u explain the bounce-back players seem to have AFTER that 1st bad year with us... Or the constant improvement of past players like briere, drury, etc who all had their BEST seasons as a Sabre, only to move on to good teams and not put up those same numbers?
- jdfitz77

FWIW stating that players always have slows starts under Lindy further proves the point that he has no clue where to put guys half the time