Pretty sure it's the way Ehrhoff wants to be paid. He wanted money up front and got it. Lots of it. $18m over two seasons. In order to make that payout palatable from a cap perspective, the contract had to go way out to 10 years to bring the average number down. There's no guarantee Ehrhoff retires in year 8 unless he wants to retire.

That's quite a different risk...in both actual dollars paid and length of commitment...than Streit signing a five-year deal with a flat payout. I understand the cap hits are the same. But the level of commitment from the organization, both in terms of real money paid to the player and for how long, is not comparable at all.

I'm not trashing the Ehrhoff deal, by the way. I wouldn't have done it, but that's based purely on the Isles' disasters with 10+ year contracts. But if it works out for the Sabres, great. My point is only that Streit's deal is not comparable in any way except the cap number for two seasons. If things went really bad on the Streit deal in year three or four, the organization would only have to ride it out for another year or two. If something goes bad with the Ehrhoff deal in year three or four, there are a lot of years to count down until the end.
- UIF

No, it was Pegula not Ehrhoff who made that deal work, the whole point of paying him all that money up front was so that they could keep there cap hit down so they could sign Leino. of course Ehrhoff wasnt gonna complain about the deal, but Hoff was about to get 5-6 million per year on the open market. Pegula made it work for 4 mil a year.

You know you don't have a hockey market when after two pages of every thread you are talking about a different sport.

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- DowJones

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- mighty13duck

More like cottage cheese

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No, it was Pegula not Ehrhoff who made that deal work, the whole point of paying him all that money up front was so that they could keep there cap hit down so they could sign Leino. of course Ehrhoff wasnt gonna complain about the deal, but Hoff was about to get 5-6 million per year on the open market. Pegula made it work for 4 mil a year.
- sbroads24

While the Isles were negotiating with him, it was reported Ehrhoff wanted a front-loaded deal, and the Isles wouldn't do it. So, if that report was accurate, then Ehrhoff wanted money up front regardless. If you're saying Pegula extended the deal out 10 years with the cheaper years at the end to bring the cap hit down to $4m/year, then sure, that makes sense.

for what Ehrhoff cost.. yes we were better off with those 3 sieve

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I can't agree with that. I really don't understand the salary argument. When you're talking about the Isles, why is salary even a consideration? Who cares if Ehrhoff is "overpaid"? The isles are consistently below the salary floor and only "reach" the floor due to buy outs and a BS loophole that lets Wang and Snow rush prospects to the NHL so their unattainable bonuses count against the cap. I would have much rather paid Ehrhoff $10M this year to play for the Isles than to trade for Rolston and to rush Nino to the NHL when he clearly wasn't ready just to get over the floor.

Ehrhoff is far better than any of the Isles d-men with the notable exception of Hamonic and possibly Streit, when Streit is actually playing well. Snow recognized this, that's why he tried to get him to sign. I would have loved to have him on the Isles this season instead of Mottau, Jurcina and Eaton, regardless of salary.

While the Isles were negotiating with him, it was reported Ehrhoff wanted a front-loaded deal, and the Isles wouldn't do it. So, if that report was accurate, then Ehrhoff wanted money up front regardless. If you're saying Pegula extended the deal out 10 years with the cheaper years at the end to bring the cap hit down to $4m/year, then sure, that makes sense.
- UIF

It does, it also makes him tradeable in 4 or 5 years, to a team that needs to hit the cap floor they can take on the cap hit but only have to pay him 6 million in the final 4 years of the deal.

I can't agree with that. I really don't understand the salary argument. When you're talking about the Isles, why is salary even a consideration? Who cares if Ehrhoff is "overpaid"? The isles are consistently below the salary floor and only "reach" the floor due to buy outs and a BS loophole that lets Wang and Snow rush prospects to the NHL so their unattainable bonuses count against the cap. I would have much rather paid Ehrhoff $10M this year to play for the Isles than to trade for Rolston and to rush Nino to the NHL when he clearly wasn't ready just to get over the floor.

Ehrhoff is far better than any of the Isles d-men with the notable exception of Hamonic and possibly Streit, when Streit is actually playing well. Snow recognized this, that's why he tried to get him to sign. I would have loved to have him on the Isles this season instead of Mottau, Jurcina and Eaton, regardless of salary.
- Jethro09

I would have loved him on the team as well, but not for that amount.

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I can't agree with that. I really don't understand the salary argument. When you're talking about the Isles, why is salary even a consideration? Who cares if Ehrhoff is "overpaid"? The isles are consistently below the salary floor and only "reach" the floor due to buy outs and a BS loophole that lets Wang and Snow rush prospects to the NHL so their unattainable bonuses count against the cap. I would have much rather paid Ehrhoff $10M this year to play for the Isles than to trade for Rolston and to rush Nino to the NHL when he clearly wasn't ready just to get over the floor.

Ehrhoff is far better than any of the Isles d-men with the notable exception of Hamonic and possibly Streit, when Streit is actually playing well. Snow recognized this, that's why he tried to get him to sign. I would have loved to have him on the Isles this season instead of Mottau, Jurcina and Eaton, regardless of salary.
- Jethro09

I agree, he is worth the contract, Leino is not. Hamonic is your future stud. Love the way he is playing

I would have loved him on the team as well, but not for that amount.

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What amount though??? You would be mad that Wang gave him money up front that did not count against the cap?? He's a steal at 4 million a year, look at what other D-men make, Paul Martin, James Wisneiwski, Dan Boyle. He is not over paid by any means

I can't agree with that. I really don't understand the salary argument. When you're talking about the Isles, why is salary even a consideration? Who cares if Ehrhoff is "overpaid"? The isles are consistently below the salary floor and only "reach" the floor due to buy outs and a BS loophole that lets Wang and Snow rush prospects to the NHL so their unattainable bonuses count against the cap. I would have much rather paid Ehrhoff $10M this year to play for the Isles than to trade for Rolston and to rush Nino to the NHL when he clearly wasn't ready just to get over the floor.

Ehrhoff is far better than any of the Isles d-men with the notable exception of Hamonic and possibly Streit, when Streit is actually playing well. Snow recognized this, that's why he tried to get him to sign. I would have loved to have him on the Isles this season instead of Mottau, Jurcina and Eaton, regardless of salary.
- Jethro09

Agreed...but no way would I have gone 10 years for any player...not while still paying Yashin on the last 10-year contract and not while forking over $4.5M to DiPietro every year hoping he mercifully retires. Structured at $10, $8, $5, $4, $3, for a $6m cap hit? I'd have done that.

Agreed...but no way would I have gone 10 years for any player...not while still paying Yashin on the last 10-year contract and not while forking over $4.5M to DiPietro every year hoping he mercifully retires. Structured at $10, $8, $5, $4, $3, for a $6m cap hit? I'd have done that.
- UIF

I would rather have that too with no Leino, but I gotta give the Sabres credit on the Hoff deal, they have a damn good player for 4 million a season. Sucks it's 10yrs but they went for the home run offseason and went 2 for 3.

What amount though??? You would be mad that Wang gave him money up front that did not count against the cap?? He's a steal at 4 million a year, look at what other D-men make, Paul Martin, James Wisneiwski, Dan Boyle. He is not over paid by any means
- sbroads24

he's not 4 million thou, he is 10 million this year & 8 million next

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Agreed...but no way would I have gone 10 years for any player...not while still paying Yashin on the last 10-year contract and not while forking over $4.5M to DiPietro every year hoping he mercifully retires. Structured at $10, $8, $5, $4, $3, for a $6m cap hit? I'd have done that.
- UIF

The only players that I can see giving those ridiculously long deals to are true franchise, cornerstone players who have track records for being healthy. JT is the only Islander I would even consider for a 10-year deal.

The only players that I can see giving those ridiculously long deals to are true franchise, cornerstone players who have track records for being healthy. JT is the only Islander I would even consider for a 10-year deal.
- Jethro09

Correct.. Earhoff is NOT one of those players

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What????????????????

I dont know? Is it ME? This makes absolutely no sense.

Where do these nimrods come from?
- SCLI

I love it..LOL

Hey SC, hows it goin?

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LOL out loud, that was funny

What is your city named after?

he's not 4 million thou, he is 10 million this year & 8 million next

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To the owner.... doesnt count against the cap...doesnt affect the rest of the team in any way...it's a non-issue

To the owner.... doesnt count against the cap...doesnt affect the rest of the team in any way...it's a non-issue
- sbroads24

Of course its an issue... he's not worth more then every player on the team.. he's not worth 10 million or 8 million a season

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Hopefully the team will still be at NVMC and they can have more parades down the pike. I dont recall the start to finish point.. my dad & i stood between the main gate to the Coli & exit ramp from the Wantagh.



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I thiknk you mean the Meadowbrook, right?

Of course its an issue... he's not worth more then every player on the team.. he's not worth 10 million or 8 million a season

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Is he worth 22 million over 8 years.?.. your only looking at it 1 way, your refusing to aknowlede the fact that he will be paid around 2.8 per year for 8 years. Your focusing on the fact that he will recieve 10 million and 8 million in 2 years, bottom line he is a 4 million dollar player however you decide to look at it

I thiknk you mean the Meadowbrook, right?
- 1since40

Yes!!!

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Is he worth 22 million over 8 years.?.. your only looking at it 1 way, your refusing to aknowlede the fact that he will be paid around 2.8 per year for 8 years. Your focusing on the fact that he will recieve 10 million and 8 million in 2 years, bottom line he is a 4 million dollar player however you decide to look at it
- sbroads24

If you trade him in the off season you will have paid him 10 million, you trade him next season you will have paid him 18 million... when he starts making 2.8 a season you have no idea where his game is going to go... he could be over paid even at THAT price.. he could be a steal at that price... right now he's not.

and you can tell me his cap hit 15 more ways.. it still wont matter to me.

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