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Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Apr 19 @ 9:36 AM ET
Rinaldo did last night precisely what the Penguins did at the end of game 3. There is no place in hockey for that type of garbage.
- PLindbergh31
They also did it in game 4. The only difference was Rinaldo looked him in the eyes before he deked him! Plus dont tell me that shove cause the other guys to go down like a ton of bricks. A little acting is implied in those situations.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:36 AM ET
It's not over by any means. I expect the Flyers to figure out a way to win the series, but it's going to be difficult. As everyone thought it would be before the series. The 3-0 lead swelled everyone's head, including the players.
- PLindbergh31


you said it -- flyers really thought it was over after game 3, that all they had to do was show up and they'd win. the penguins aren't just going to lay down and let us win, we have to earn it.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:38 AM ET
Just as Bill mentioned UBI, but Eskin said it was a concussion. He has sources who ever they may be.
- PLindbergh31


We were all standing around the same area of the locker room. Holmgren said day-to-day upper-body via a text message that Zack Hill shared with the beat writers. Another member of Flyers personnel said off-the-record (to no one's surprise, as everyone suspected as much) they think it's a concussion. I assume Eskin asked a member of management for confirmation shortly thereafter, because he gets a lot of his info from the top.

Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Apr 19 @ 9:38 AM ET
agreed. unreal. Neal should've gotten 2 and malkin should get 1, but he won't get anything.
- flyersfan51


If i were rinaldo i would have ran crosby and made my two - four game suspension (A JOKE) worth it...Some in here are worried about being called goons and such by the national media but fail to realize that weve been GOONED ON in the last 4 games!
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Apr 19 @ 9:39 AM ET
Here's a little humor for those Flyer fans who are feeling down this morning. I saw this on the Rangers thread just after the Sens won it in OT:

I fuking hate this team, fuking chokers, series is done, nice fuking talent we have! - HankdaTank


Their series is 2 - 2. Maybe we need to relax a bit on our series.
moonwasaloon
Joined: 03.03.2010

Apr 19 @ 9:39 AM ET
Why have Zac Rinaldo in the line up at all? Harry Z should of been in the line up since game 1
GoFlyersGoSlovakia
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.28.2008

Apr 19 @ 9:39 AM ET
The Flyers have be a leader in blowouts in the playoffs in the last 10-15 years.

Just off the top off my head there were two 8-0 losses to Buffalo and now this.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:40 AM ET
Sure it was ugly but it's only one game and this team is resilient.
They'll assess the issues from last night and make some adjustments and come out ready to play on Friday.
I'm still confident in this team.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Apr 19 @ 9:40 AM ET
Here's a little humor for those Flyer fans who are feeling down this morning. I saw this on the Rangers thread just after the Sens won it in OT:

I fuking hate this team, fuking chokers, series is done, nice fuking talent we have! - HankdaTank


Their series is 2 - 2. Maybe we need to relax a bit on our series.

- FlyerGuy


Nice...your right we do need to relax. Im just tired of pitts predatory behavior. I think they go hard after giroux the next game...
big_dion
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I've been successful in business for years which is why I can be on hockeybuzz. - HH
Joined: 08.23.2010

Apr 19 @ 9:41 AM ET
ouch.

id honestly bench bryz next game hoping he pulls it together.

i was suprised to see fleury and bryz both in net after the first period to be honest...

friday night will be electric
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:41 AM ET
I cannot lay blame on the defense in this game really except for that bonehead play by Carle when he had the puck behind the net on a shorthanded play that should have went out and he didnt. The forwards literally stopped skating and put no pressure on the penguins and allowed them to attack at full speed through the neutral zone, what is the defense supposed to do with those forwards coming at breakneck speed with noone in the way, that is what we did very well in the first three games and need to do moving forward, apply pressure and clog up the neutral zone so the defense have a chance. Bryzgalov was absolutely horrible last night, you cant blame the team for a defensive breakdown on the first goal that malkin scored as it was a routine shot that should never have been available for the rebound to Malkin. The other thing that bothered me about him last night is when he got pulled he looked absolutely disinterested and not engaged at all. I would have hoped that he was paying attention and looking pissed off like he was going to come back with a vengeance.
Hopefully Friday is a better game all around

- Daceroni



Granted the first goal was a bad rebound, but the defensive coverage was brutal. Team defense was atrocious. And it was up and down the roster. They saw they were up 3-0 and saw the Pens as dead in the water, and played accordingly.

They need to realize that they can't just show up and win, even if the other team is down in the series 3-0. Last night should be a valuable lesson for a young team.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 19 @ 9:42 AM ET
If i were rinaldo i would have ran crosby and made my two - four game suspension (A JOKE) worth it...Some in here are worried about being called goons and such by the national media but fail to realize that weve been GOONED ON in the last 4 games!
- Philly1980

I don't think anybody's "failed" to realize this. There was no shortage of criticism against the Penguins for playing like that. Here's the thing: in those four games the Penguins have "gooned it up", how many fell in their favor? Maybe it's just me, but the 3-1 deficit suggests it's a losing strategy, especially when that one win was in a game where the Flyers lost sight and had a player ejected for conduct.

Focus on winning, that's what I want. I don't care about some injury based lust for revenge.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Apr 19 @ 9:43 AM ET
If i were rinaldo i would have ran crosby and made my two - four game suspension (A JOKE) worth it...Some in here are worried about being called goons and such by the national media but fail to realize that weve been GOONED ON in the last 4 games!
- Philly1980

your avatar fits your rants. I can hear cartman saying these exact same words.
ZHARRISON4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Prospect Park, PA
Joined: 02.02.2009

Apr 19 @ 9:43 AM ET
Why have Zac Rinaldo in the line up at all? Harry Z should of been in the line up since game 1
- moonwasaloon


You do realize Harry Z was like -15ish this season right? So I think it is a little bit of a stretch to say he deserved to be in the lineup over Rinaldo.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:43 AM ET
We were all standing around the same area of the locker room. Holmgren said day-to-day upper-body via a text message that Zack Hill shared with the beat writers. Another member of Flyers personnel said off-the-record (to no one's surprise, as everyone suspected as much) they think it's a concussion. I assume Eskin asked a member of management for confirmation shortly thereafter, because he gets a lot of his info from the top.
- bmeltzer


The Flyers and Eagles also share a lot of doctors, and Eskin handles sideline injury reports for the Eagles games, which means a lot of contact with those same doctors.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 19 @ 9:44 AM ET
ouch.

id honestly bench bryz next game hoping he pulls it together.

i was suprised to see fleury and bryz both in net after the first period to be honest...

friday night will be electric

- big_dion


Gotta go back to Bryz. If you bench him for game five, you might never get him back this postseason (mentally).
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 19 @ 9:44 AM ET
The Flyers have be a leader in blowouts in the playoffs in the last 10-15 years.

Just off the top off my head there were two 8-0 losses to Buffalo and now this.

- GoFlyersGoSlovakia

Creeping out of the woodwork just as things go wrong yet again, I see.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:46 AM ET
The Flyers have be a leader in blowouts in the playoffs in the last 10-15 years.

Just off the top off my head there were two 8-0 losses to Buffalo and now this.

- GoFlyersGoSlovakia


I was at the last one against Buffalo. thankfully I was not at that poop show last night. I am not happy with Rindaldo's actions. He lost his cool and if Shanahan doesn't suspend him, I would hope Lavy takes him out. they took too many penalties. They played like they thought this series was over and no way in hell should they have expected the Pens to roll over. there is WAY too much talent on that team to get swept. They allowed the Pens way too much time and space....I could have skated thru some of those gaps. I hope this was just a case of the kids being too full of themselves and now they got female dog slapped and will come out Friday with much more intensity. I am annoyed that several shots to Grossman's head went uncalled and being one came from Malkin, I expect nothing from the NHL.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:46 AM ET
If i were rinaldo i would have ran crosby and made my two - four game suspension (A JOKE) worth it...Some in here are worried about being called goons and such by the national media but fail to realize that weve been GOONED ON in the last 4 games!
- Philly1980


we'll be goons no matter what we do.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Apr 19 @ 9:46 AM ET
The Flyers have be a leader in blowouts in the playoffs in the last 10-15 years.

Just off the top off my head there were two 8-0 losses to Buffalo and now this.

- GoFlyersGoSlovakia

weren't those 8 zip losses elimination games?

last night was beyond bad ... but we're still up 3 - 1.

big difference.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:47 AM ET
If i were rinaldo i would have ran crosby and made my two - four game suspension (A JOKE) worth it...Some in here are worried about being called goons and such by the national media but fail to realize that weve been GOONED ON in the last 4 games!
- Philly1980


I don't think people here are worried about the Flyers being called goons. I think they're first and foremost concerned about winning hockey games rather than "winning" the extracurricular stuff.

flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:48 AM ET
Gotta go back to Bryz. If you bench him for game five, you might never get him back this postseason (mentally).
- bradleyc4


you had to pull him -- you can't hang him out to dry.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Apr 19 @ 9:50 AM ET
Im sorry but to mee this was worse than what rinaldo did

flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:50 AM ET
Im sorry but to mee this was worse than what rinaldo did


- Philly1980


DEFINITELY WORSE!! but it's malkin, a star, and he plays for the pens.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:51 AM ET
Granted the first goal was a bad rebound, but the defensive coverage was brutal. Team defense was atrocious. And it was up and down the roster. They saw they were up 3-0 and saw the Pens as dead in the water, and played accordingly.

They need to realize that they can't just show up and win, even if the other team is down in the series 3-0. Last night should be a valuable lesson for a young team.

- Jsaquella


agree 100%. I could have skated thru those gaps on my sprained ankle.
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