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JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 1:34 PM ET
But doesn't Bryz need all the practice he can get.
- sbrubakerjr

Sometimes rest is just as conducive to winning as practice. If he is hurt physically then yes, give him some rest and tweak a few things in practice.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Apr 19 @ 1:36 PM ET


I wont lie this is kind of funny. In a nutty kind of way.

wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 19 @ 1:37 PM ET
The trend isn't going to end with the team playing the way they are in front of him against that potent of an offense. It matters not who is in net. You play pond hockey in front of them they are going to give up goals.
- JoeRussomanno


Yup.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Apr 19 @ 1:38 PM ET
Don't jinx yourself.
- sbrubakerjr

Your right, he'll show up and score 50 goals by himself in the next 3 games


Or did I just jinx your jinx?

Or did I just jinx my jinxing of your jinx?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 19 @ 1:38 PM ET
I think they could survive without Grossmann (short term) if Bryz could find his game.

The absence of Grossmann with Bryz struggling makes me think they will struggle mightily from here on out.

- Marc D


And apparently everybody saw the 2 high hits on Grossmann except, you know, f'n Shanahan and the on ice officials!
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 1:39 PM ET
And apparently everybody saw the 2 high hits on Grossmann except, you know, f'n Shanahan and the on ice officials!
- wolfhounds

Didn't briere get a suspension for something similar to what kennedy did last year?
GoFlyersGoSlovakia
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.28.2008

Apr 19 @ 1:39 PM ET


I wont lie this is kind of funny. In a nutty kind of way.

- flyer_nutter


what?
sbrubakerjr
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 12.01.2009

Apr 19 @ 1:41 PM ET
Your right, he'll show up and score 50 goals by himself in the next 3 games
- coffee junkie


Of course not 50, but maybe 12 with no Grossmann and Bryz in goal.

wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 19 @ 1:41 PM ET
Your right, he'll show up and score 50 goals by himself in the next 3 games


Or did I just jinx your jinx?

Or did I just jinx my jinxing of your jinx?

- coffee junkie


Nice, you just caused tear somewhere in the fabric of the Universe with all that jinxing. Bryz felt it like Obi-Wan after that planet went Boom.

RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 19 @ 1:41 PM ET
So does no-one care that the Schenn-Briere-Simmonds line have been out for 7 of the 15 even strenght goals scored by the Penguins this series? I really see the need to break this line up.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 19 @ 1:43 PM ET
And apparently everybody saw the 2 high hits on Grossmann except, you know, f'n Shanahan and the on ice officials!
- wolfhounds

The refs were calling everything, on both teams, but managed to miss both shots on G-NN.

Oh well, stuff happens.

I still can't see the Pens winning 3 in a row, but it wouldn't surprise me either.
This has been a very wacky series.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 19 @ 1:43 PM ET
So does no-one care that the Schenn-Briere-Simmonds line have been out for 7 of the 15 even strenght goals scored by the Penguins this series? I really see the need to break this line up.
- RooNosHockey


Whatever line Briere is on will struggle (defensively). Briere plays an important position in the defensive zone. We all know he's not the greatest defender.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 19 @ 1:44 PM ET
Whatever line Briere is on will struggle (defensively). Briere plays an important position in the defensive zone. We all know he's not the greatest defender.
- stveshdy


Agreed. Briere is weaksauce D.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 1:45 PM ET
So does no-one care that the Schenn-Briere-Simmonds line have been out for 7 of the 15 even strenght goals scored by the Penguins this series? I really see the need to break this line up.
- RooNosHockey

I brought something up to that effect last night and met with stiff resistance. I'll wait until it really starts hurting to elaborate further.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 1:46 PM ET
Agreed. Briere is weaksauce D.
- wolfhounds

Like I was told last night, it doesn't matter because he is the highest scoring playoff player since the lockout. That is the only stirring of this subject I will contribute for the remainder of the day.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 19 @ 1:48 PM ET
So does no-one care that the Schenn-Briere-Simmonds line have been out for 7 of the 15 even strenght goals scored by the Penguins this series? I really see the need to break this line up.
- RooNosHockey

just because people arent posting about it non-stop doesnt mean they do not care, imo
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 19 @ 1:48 PM ET
I brought something up to that effect last night and met with stiff resistance. I'll wait until it really starts hurting to elaborate further.
- JoeRussomanno

So what do you want them to do?
Everyone knows Briere is not the best two way center.
He is money offensively in the post season.
It's up to the coaches to minimize his worst match ups and maximize his offensive zone starts.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 19 @ 1:49 PM ET
Didn't briere get a suspension for something similar to what kennedy did last year?
- JoeRussomanno


The Philadelphia Flyers will be without Danny Briere after the NHL slapped the forward with a three-game suspension for cross-checking an opponent in the face during Saturday's game against the New York Islanders.

League officials handed Briere the ban after the player got his stick up in the face of Isles centre Frans Nielsen during a face-off with about a minute to go in the third period of the 6-1 Flyer win.

"I'm shocked," Briere said before Philadelphia hosted the Carolina Hurricanes on Monday night. "Surprised is not strong enough. After all the suspensions that have been handed out the last couple of years and this year, I didn't think I was going to get a game. Then I thought, 'OK, yes, I am a repeat offender, they'll probably give me a game because of it.' I'm shocked that it was more than a game."


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...sp-briere-suspension.html

Similar to what Kennedy did. And Malkin's elbow is certainly worth a look by the league, especially since he likes to throw it around fairly regularly.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 19 @ 1:49 PM ET
Like I was told last night, it doesn't matter because he is the highest scoring playoff player since the lockout. That is the only stirring of this subject I will contribute for the remainder of the day.
- JoeRussomanno


Briere does average a point per game in the playoffs but that doesnt mean hes a good defensive player. So your point about Briere has some legs. You cant ignore the fact that he does provide offense. I dont have his career playoff numbers in front of me but it would be interesting to see his overall +/- if you buy into that stat.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 19 @ 1:49 PM ET
Whatever line Briere is on will struggle (defensively). Briere plays an important position in the defensive zone. We all know he's not the greatest defender.
- stveshdy


I just dont like the idea of keeping this line together. Pittsburgh exploits it. I think you put Voracek and either Read, Wellwood, or Hartnell with him to even out Briere's weakness. Schenn isn't good enough defensively yet, and neither is Simmonds. Wellwood or Read would be fast enough and defensively aware enough to comensate for Briere.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 1:49 PM ET
So what do you want them to do?
Everyone knows briere is not the best two way center.
He is money offensively in the post season.
It's up to the coaches to minimize his worst match ups and maximize his offensive zone starts.

- Marc D

I think you answered your question for me but to go a little further, if a mechanism to get out of that contract is available in this new CBA, then I want them to not hesitate for a second.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 19 @ 1:50 PM ET
just because people arent posting about it non-stop doesnt mean they do not care, imo
- Crimsoninja

what are you thinking, last night was a bump in the road and Flyers will end it, or that it now will be a seven game series?
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 19 @ 1:50 PM ET
Like I was told last night, it doesn't matter because he is the highest scoring playoff player since the lockout. That is the only stirring of this subject I will contribute for the remainder of the day.
- JoeRussomanno


No doubt, as long as he scores you accept his D liability. But it would be smart to put him on with stronger defenders...unless you screw up the chemistry, and that line (Simmonds, Schenn, Briere) seem to have some good chemistry.

Tough call.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Apr 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
just because people arent posting about it non-stop doesnt mean they do not care, imo
- Crimsoninja


RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 19 @ 1:51 PM ET
Like I was told last night, it doesn't matter because he is the highest scoring playoff player since the lockout. That is the only stirring of this subject I will contribute for the remainder of the day.
- JoeRussomanno

I'm not knocking the way Briere plays though, I'm just saying you need to put him on a line that will counter-balance his weakness. And with JVR coming back, now would be a good time to do just that.
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