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RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 19 @ 11:33 AM ET
What about unintential contact? 2 guys run into each and one has his head down, 5 game suspension?
- Oilhab


If 2 players collide then its incidental contact. But if it was a check or late hit, that is a different story... Just like the follow through of a shot isnt a high stick...
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Apr 19 @ 11:34 AM ET
he was answering both my questions. what his look was, and what it should've been.
- flyersfan51


You never got back to me on my answers though.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 11:34 AM ET
What was our condition? Seems our entire forum roster is either sustaining or recovering from injury. Talk about pretzelville.
- BulliesPhan87

Gotta say if i wasn't on the mend I'd be spending way less time on here
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 19 @ 11:34 AM ET
I blame you. And the guy on here that posted the picture of Bryz holding a broom the other day. And the stoopid newspaper picture of Crosby yesterday.

Oh yeah, and Matt Carle.

- rockychocbill

It's going to be a long rough weekend but at least the Canucks look like they have some life left, Ottawa could beat the Rangers in a three game series and I get to sleep in.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 19 @ 11:34 AM ET
Its an open forum. Let the people know how you feel. I have no issues with it.
- stveshdy


I feel in 73 days he will be playing for another team.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 19 @ 11:34 AM ET
The entire team. they thought the pens would hand us the game -- they'll bounce back tomorrow night. Just worried about Grossmann.
- flyersfan51


If Grossmann is out it moves Lilja/Kubina in the top four.

I would assume Gus gets the call.

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 19 @ 11:36 AM ET
I feel in 73 days he will be playing for another team.
- PLindbergh31


That could very well happen. However he is on the team now and I would like to see him (along with others) play much better so we can advance to the next round.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Apr 19 @ 11:37 AM ET
Anybody bring up that Bryz's foot could be bothering him? His lateral movement on two of the goals was absolutely horrible. He looked silly on the LeTang PP goal that ended up getting him pulled.
- NickTheKid87


He looked fine laterally on the Letang highlight reel glove save.

Honestly, it's hard to tell with him because his lateral movement has never looked that great to me.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 19 @ 11:37 AM ET
If Grossmann is out it moves Lilja/Kubina in the top four.

I would assume Gus gets the call.

- stveshdy

This is starting to really worry me.. I dont like it at all.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Apr 19 @ 11:37 AM ET
If Grossmann is out it moves Lilja/Kubina in the top four.

I would assume Gus gets the call.

- stveshdy


Like Gus in the lineup for the simple fact that he is not below average in speed. Kubina has been ineffective offensively and when you compound that with already him being a shaky defensive player, you get a pylon.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Apr 19 @ 11:37 AM ET
Im sorry but to mee this was worse than what rinaldo did


- Philly1980


If that isn't reviewed, this league is bullpoop. It's a headshot, plain and simple.
Oilhab
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Kessel = Selanne - Adam French
Joined: 07.01.2006

Apr 19 @ 11:38 AM ET
There is a distinct difference in what you are suggesting there, and what happened last night. Malkin went for the hit.. and intentionally or not made contact with the head of Grossmann.

He transfers the weight of his body and THROWS the hit.. It was a glancing blow to Grossmanns head... the worse kinda hit you can take when it comes to concussions.

- jak521


I know, but he was complaining about the way rules are written in the book.

I used that example to show that there are always exceptions and you could never account for every exception, so the rule has to be open to the refs discretion.

But as far as the hit, he did transfer his weight, but he also had to if he wanted to keep moving. This is what i see, he poked the puck away turned to follow the puck around the boards, grossman was there and he straightened his body up to maybe sneak by him, wasn't going to make it and decided to go through anyways, shoulder to a downed head and that was it.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 19 @ 11:38 AM ET
Like Gus in the lineup for the simple fact that he is not below average in speed. Kubina has been ineffective offensively and when you compound that with already him being a shaky defensive player, you get a pylon.
- NickTheKid87


I would scratch Kubina as well add Gus and MAB or MannDog
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 19 @ 11:38 AM ET
I dont know if it was an elbow or shoulder tbh, but he definitely shifts his body and lunges for the hit.
- jak521



Bingo!
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 11:39 AM ET
He looked fine laterally on the Letang highlight reel glove save.

Honestly, it's hard to tell with him because his lateral movement has never looked that great to me.

- rockychocbill

On the letang glove save he was moving in the other direction as opposed to that one last night. I would like to know which foot is hurt, would explain some things.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 19 @ 11:39 AM ET
That could very well happen. However he is on the team now and I would like to see him (along with others) play much better so we can advance to the next round.
- stveshdy


Of course. I have already stated I want my lasting memory of him to be riding down Broad St. on a float. Right now the images are all of egregious turnovers, penalties, and Penguins going around/through him like poop through a tin horn.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 19 @ 11:39 AM ET
This is starting to really worry me.. I dont like it at all.
- jak521


Its a major concern. The Flyers will have to rely more on three guys to play heavy minutes. Something they were trying to avoid by adding pieces.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Apr 19 @ 11:39 AM ET
He looked fine laterally on the Letang highlight reel glove save.

Honestly, it's hard to tell with him because his lateral movement has never looked that great to me.

- rockychocbill


The glove save was more of luck on his part as well as a luge. It looked like he had trouble pushing off his foot last night to cover the other part of the goal.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 19 @ 11:39 AM ET
If Grossmann is out it moves Lilja/Kubina in the top four.

I would assume Gus gets the call.

- stveshdy


I would completely Switch up the defensive pairs. It's not like they have exactly been shutting anyone down anyway...

Carle-Coburn
Timonen-Kubina
Lilja-Gus/MAB

or

Carle-Kubina
Timonen-Coburn
Lilja-Gus/MAB
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 19 @ 11:39 AM ET
Anybody bring up that Bryz's foot could be bothering him? His lateral movement on two of the goals was absolutely horrible. He looked silly on the LeTang PP goal that ended up getting him pulled.
- NickTheKid87

Bill was tweeting that last night.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Apr 19 @ 11:39 AM ET
It's going to be a long rough weekend but at least the Canucks look like they have some life left, Ottawa could beat the Rangers in a three game series and I get to sleep in.
- mayorofangrytown


I get to drive 5 hours on Saturday to help my oldest bring his stuff back home from University.

Enjoy your sleep in.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Apr 19 @ 11:40 AM ET
You never got back to me on my answers though.
- rockychocbill


I didn't see his look -- I would just hope that he can bounce back -- he doesn't have to be awesome, just has to be good. Did you have any questions for me?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 11:41 AM ET
I would completely Switch up the defensive pairs. It's not like they have exactly been shutting anyone down anyway...

Carle-Coburn
Timonen-Kubina
Lilja-Gus/MAB

or

Carle-Kubina
Timonen-Coburn
Lilja-Gus/MAB

- RooNosHockey

I'd split the kids up with Timmonen and Coburn.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 19 @ 11:41 AM ET
Of course. I have already stated I want my lasting memory of him to be riding down Broad St. on a float. Right now the images are all of egregious turnovers, penalties, and Penguins going around/through him like poop through a tin horn.
- PLindbergh31


He has to be one of our better defenseman especially with all the injuries on the blueline. Hes made his mistakes but also has made some good plays. He needs to be more consistent in this series.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 19 @ 11:41 AM ET
I would completely Switch up the defensive pairs. It's not like they have exactly been shutting anyone down anyway...

Carle-Coburn
Timonen-Kubina
Lilja-Gus/MAB

or

Carle-Kubina
Timonen-Coburn
Lilja-Gus/MAB

- RooNosHockey

MAB is injured, is he not?
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