sounds like a Bure to me LOL
- The_Hinter

Taylor Hall and 1st overall, for Jake Gardiner and 5th overall.


OK DEAL.
- robin_steele264

I'd take that deal. Gardiner is the real deal and on the Edmonton ice, with his Paul Coffee like skating, he'd be dynamite, with the young Oiler forwards. Leafs could retool at forward and move Kessel for someone like Rick Nash. I think Hall needs a change of scenery, because he's had bad luck with freak injuries, in Edmonton.

Funny how people can frame things to suit their interests...

Yakupov can either be known as 'consensus #1 pick, the next coming over Bure'

or...

'Unproven, injury prone, small Russian'
- robin_steele264

He's Bure with good knees.

This is just a troll post by Cloutier created to cause a stir and get results on his message board (and ego).

Burke learned his lesson about trading future 1st rounders, he's not going to do it again unless his team is a legit Cup contender, instead of a middling or non playoff team. Gardiner + next years likely lottery pick to go from 5th to 1st? Awful dude.

Yakupov isn't the best prospect since Stamkos. Yakupov isn't going to be as good as Tavares. The "mini Ovechkins" style of play is going to lead to injuries early in his career.. he is not worth selling the farm for like Tavares or Stamkos might've been. Yakupov's worth is going to be that around Patrick Kane- a small speedy guy who can put up the points. Yak probably has a a little more goal scoring ability and a little less playmaking ability than Kane. But don't kid yourself- just because there's a drop btw him and everyone else doesn't mean he's the "best prospect since Stamkos". No one in the world would take him before Tavares. I bet the majority would prefer Hall over him too. It's early but I think Nuge might have a better career too. *shrug*

Anyway yeah, I fell for your troll bait.
Troll.

I'd take that deal. Gardiner is the real deal and on the Edmonton ice, with his Paul Coffee like skating, he'd be dynamite, with the young Oiler forwards. Leafs could retool at forward and move Kessel for someone like Rick Nash. I think Hall needs a change of scenery, because he's had bad luck with freak injuries, in Edmonton.
- PrinceLH

You are a wizard.

This is just a troll post by Cloutier created to cause a stir and get results on his message board (and ego).

Burke learned his lesson about trading future 1st rounders, he's not going to do it again unless his team is a legit Cup contender, instead of a middling or non playoff team. Gardiner + next years likely lottery pick to go from 5th to 1st? Awful dude.

Yakupov isn't the best prospect since Stamkos. Yakupov isn't going to be as good as Tavares. The "mini Ovechkins" style of play is going to lead to injuries early in his career.. he is not worth selling the farm for like Tavares or Stamkos might've been. Yakupov's worth is going to be that around Patrick Kane- a small speedy guy who can put up the points. Yak probably has a a little more goal scoring ability and a little less playmaking ability than Kane. But don't kid yourself- just because there's a drop btw him and everyone else doesn't mean he's the "best prospect since Stamkos". No one in the world would take him before Tavares. I bet the majority would prefer Hall over him too. It's early but I think Nuge might have a better career too. *shrug*

Anyway yeah, I fell for your troll bait.
Troll.
- broc

Nuge will be better than Hall and Tavares.

Book it.

This might be more absurd than the gems Cloutier came up with.
- robin_steele264

Fine. Write it down and take a look in 3 years. Maybe it ends up being 'absurd' maybe not. But I can tell you Cowen is going to be a stud for many years.

Overvalued Yak on most deals other than the Sabres deal.

how bout... the oilers draft Yak... Then deal for/sign a dman.

if they take yak they will have the room to move at least 2 of Gagner/Hemsky/PRV/Omark.

Personally I'd move Gagner and Omark, then signing a brusing center like a Gaustad. And putting PRV on the 3rd line with Horc.

What would Gagner + Omark fetch for a dman? Bogo? Also i would think about bringing in Garrison and Schultz kid.

Hall/RNH/Eberle
Hemsky/Gaustad/Yak
PRV/Horc/Thor
Jones/Lander/Eager-Belanger-Sestito?

Garrison/Bogo
Smid/Petry
Schultz/Schultz/Sutton

Deal three is similarly interesting but even more weighted towards the Oil. Even if Yakupov were already a thirty-goal scorer, I wouldn't do this deal if I were Nashville unless I was absolutely certain of Weber's departure - and then demand the Oilers add a huge plus to the deal....
- cthuluan13

The more I hear about a Nashville deal the more I can see it benefit Nash.

Get Yak and watch him and Radulov on a line together. Holy (frank)!

It would also help convince Radulov to stay in the NHL w/ Nash. Another young Russian star on his level of talent? Be hard for him to say no to that.

Thing is that I would not want to waste the pick on an RFA who may not sign.

Absured is a better word. Any GM that would make any of these trades on an unknown, unproven comodity, needs to lose their job. Every player mentioned would be either equal or above equal, without the 1st rounder thrown in. Keep dreaming!

Now, if you want to send us Taylor Hall, even up, for Jake Gardiner, then we may have a trading partner.
- PrinceLH

No, you won't.

I'd take that deal. Gardiner is the real deal and on the Edmonton ice, with his Paul Coffee like skating, he'd be dynamite, with the young Oiler forwards. Leafs could retool at forward and move Kessel for someone like Rick Nash. I think Hall needs a change of scenery, because he's had bad luck with freak injuries, in Edmonton.
- PrinceLH

Omg. Are you serious?

So let me get this straight...

Yakupov for Tyler Myers straight up

OR

Yakupov for Gardiner, the 5th overall in 2012, AND the Leafs first in 2013?

WTF are you talking about. You are always entertaining, even when you are being stupid, but you just crossed a line on the stupid scale.

by the way...

Gardiner, 75gp, 30pts. (.40ppg) -2, born 1990, 875k until 2014
Myers, 55 gp 23 pts (.42ppg), +5, born 1990, extended cap number 5.5 mil

Even if you argue that Myers > Gardiner... he is only *slightly* greater, costs way more (for the next couple years anyway) ... and you think the Leafs have to throw in 2 firsts also?

Or more simply, would you trade Gardiner + 5th overall + 2013 1st for Myers?

Idiocy.

how bout... the oilers draft Yak... Then deal for/sign a dman.

if they take yak they will have the room to move at least 2 of Gagner/Hemsky/PRV/Omark.

Personally I'd move Gagner and Omark, then signing a brusing center like a Gaustad. And putting PRV on the 3rd line with Horc.

What would Gagner + Omark fetch for a dman? Bogo? Also i would think about bringing in Garrison and Schultz kid.

Hall/RNH/Eberle
Hemsky/Gaustad/Yak
PRV/Horc/Thor
Jones/Lander/Eager-Belanger-Sestito?

Garrison/Bogo
Smid/Petry
Schultz/Schultz/Sutton
- Killbot460

I agree with trading those four or a couple of them to fetch a dman but gagner and omark are no where near enough for bogo. Paajarvi and gagner is more likely but they would have to maybe include something else to Even that up a bit. Gagner would be good second line centre until Scheifele is ready. I'd sign garrison but not for too much. Hate to be stuck with a ville leino contract. I don't think gaustad is a second line centre. I'd rather see Paajarvi if we don't trade him in the top 6. Our ideal second line centre would be Jordan staal.

New scenario: if the Leafs had 1st overall, how many times would his value increase?

New scenario: if the Leafs had 1st overall, how many times would his value increase?
- GuyLaDouche

So you think Yakupov is worth Gardiner + 5th this year + 1st next year? really?

So let me get this straight...

Yakupov for Tyler Myers straight up

OR

Yakupov for Gardiner, the 5th overall in 2012, AND the Leafs first in 2013?

WTF are you talking about. You are always entertaining, even when you are being stupid, but you just crossed a line on the stupid scale.

by the way...

Gardiner, 75gp, 30pts. (.40ppg) -2, born 1990, 875k until 2014
Myers, 55 gp 23 pts (.42ppg), +5, born 1990, extended cap number 5.5 mil

Even if you argue that Myers > Gardiner... he is only *slightly* greater, costs way more (for the next couple years anyway) ... and you think the Leafs have to throw in 2 firsts also?

Or more simply, would you trade Gardiner + 5th overall + 2013 1s
Idiocy.
- GoneFullRetard

Tom Gilbert had a better rookie season than that. Would you trade Tom Gilbert for the 1st overall?

So you think Yakupov is worth Gardiner + 5th this year + 1st next year? really?
- GoneFullRetard

No. Burke learned his lesson about trading 1sts away...I hope. Not a deal I would make anyways. Burke will doubtlessly make moves and get you guys higher next year, possibly playoffs. Pick probably won't be as high as you might think. Gardiner looked good but like I said above, so did Gibby. Tambi would want a much more proven asset in return.

Nah, I don't like it. Allow me to offer this rewrite.

"2,500 years ago, Moses parted the seas to save his people. But he was no Nail Yakupov."
- Maxbone

Griffin Reinhart is NOT impressed.

Griffin Reinhart is NOT impressed.
- OilHorse

Tom Gilbert had a better rookie season than that. Would you trade Tom Gilbert for the 1st overall?
- GuyLaDouche

Not sure I understand what you are getting at?

If anything, the Gilbert arguement only shows how much Myers is being overvalued here... compared to his "peers".

My comparison was between the two offers presented. They simply do not reflect the potential or current ability of the two platers.

Were I making decisions for Buffalo, I would not trade Myers for Yakupov.

The Leafs suggestion is simply retarded. I am terrified at the possibility that the Leafs trade Gardiner + 5th for Yakupov, nevermind the 2013 first also (which will also be a lottery pick because the Leafs are THAT bad).

In fact, I am not even sure I trade the 5th + Schenn for Yakupov.

... it doesn't help that I believe Yakupov will be a bust and that if the Leafs can get Galchenyuk at 5th, they will be the big winners.

Burke will trade that p1ck though and f*ck everything up.

and I only mention the size part of their forwards cause RNH and Hall were out with injuries every other time they got hit. Poor fragile kids. Talented as hell though and love to have em on my team when they do actually play
- Sheppy99

You obviously have no idea what you are saying. Stop before you embarrass yourself even more.

No. Burke learned his lesson about trading 1sts away...I hope. Not a deal I would make anyways. Burke will doubtlessly make moves and get you guys higher next year, possibly playoffs. Pick probably won't be as high as you might think. Gardiner looked good but like I said above, so did Gibby. Tambi would want a much more proven asset in return.
- GuyLaDouche

Yes, if I am Tambellini, I would want a PROVEN NHL Dman. I am not sure who though? I don't think you get Weber.

I have a hard time finding a deal for that pick that I think works for Edmonton and the other team.

On the other hand, if they can trade down a couple spots, AND get a decent dman, then draft one of the premier D in this draft, it might be worth it.

Not sure I understand what you are getting at?

If anything, the Gilbert arguement only shows how much Myers is being overvalued here... compared to his "peers".

My comparison was between the two offers presented. They simply do not reflect the potential or current ability of the two platers.

Were I making decisions for Buffalo, I would not trade Myers for Yakupov.

The Leafs suggestion is simply retarded. I am terrified at the possibility that the Leafs trade Gardiner + 5th for Yakupov, nevermind the 2013 first also (which will also be a lottery pick because the Leafs are THAT bad).

In fact, I am not even sure I trade the 5th + Schenn for Yakupov.

... it doesn't help that I believe Yakupov will be a bust and that if the Leafs can get Galchenyuk at 5th, they will be the big winners.

Burke will trade that p1ck though and f*ck everything up.
- GoneFullRetard

So Yakupov will be a bust and Galchenyuk, who will somehow fall to you at 5th, will be the best.

Not a worry though. No chance they trade down and take Gardiner or Schenn.

I dont really like any of those trades as the habs, leafs and sens your asking too much, and buffalo i think you could get more than just myers. and the shea weber deal is a bad idea i think. if your trading for just the rights to a player, you shouldnt have to give up a first overall pick