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Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
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Apr 13 @ 10:15 AM ET
I love seeing Mr Hulk Hogan in Misery
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Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:15 AM ET
I think the key to tonight's game is not to try and "weather" the Penguins storm. What got them in trouble was allowing Pittsburgh to dictate play in the first last game. The Flyers were settling for just getting the puck out of the defensive zone and getting the correct match-ups on the ice in the first period of the last game... It resulted in easy defensive outs for Pittsburgh and way to much puck control. When that happens, it's only a matter of time until Pittsburgh makes you pay.

I say dont try and "weather" a storm, throw the storm right back at em. If that means you have to play a little aggressive on offense, and less aggressive on defense, so be it. If the Flyers are playing aggressively then the Penguins cant play with as much puck control, and that should lead to another Flyers win.

- RooNosHockey


To me, weathering the storm means playing disciplined and then counter-punching. In game one, I think the Flyers were running around a bit early, trying to be too aggressive both offensively and defensively and the Penguins played that crank-the-tempo game a lot better than Philly did. That's how the Flyers ended up pinned in their own end so much and getting blasted by a lot of heavy hits. They need to pick their spots a little better early and they may be the ones this time to get the odd-man rushes as a result.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:15 AM ET
I wish the NHL would also apoligize to the Flyers for the embellishment of Crosby. Thats a disgrace that the best player in the world acts like a four year old on skates when hes touched.

- stveshdy

Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Apr 13 @ 10:16 AM ET
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/04/12/flyers-take-up-residence-in-penguins-heads/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The Flyers never tried to turn the game into the bloodbath that Hartnell predicted in the days before it began. They simply marched back, shift by shift. When Daniel Brière was crushed by Brooks Orpik midway through the third, it looked like tempers might rise. They didn’t.

“When he got hit there on the power play we got, he was just kind of laughing,” Hartnell said. “I was on the ice there, I was going to go after them, and he said, ‘Hartsy, it’s all right. We’ll score on this power play.’ And we did. It was awesome.”

- Jsaquella



awesome
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 13 @ 10:16 AM ET
Good morning all. Congrats on Wednesday night's win. Well deserved.

I find it amusing that after such a big win, most of the chatter in here is still about a "blown" icing call.

Considering One linesman (the closer one) waved it off and the other didn't; it was a judgement call and not clear cut. I think the old axiom of playing to the whistle holds true here. It was a 50/50 puck in the corner, and the Flyers D allowed the smallest Penguin on the roster to dig the puck out of the corner and set up the goal.

We keep hearing the last few weeks about how the Pens are whiners and complainers, but there was barely a peep from them about the offsides call, which lets face it, was egregious and they would have been well within their rights to make a huge stink about it. I can only imagine what this forum would have said if the calls we "on the other foot"...of if it occured against a certain Penguins opponent coached by one John Tortorella (imagine THAT post game press conference!)

Anyways, game 2 can't get here fast enough. Look for me, I'll be the guy in the Penguins sweater (although I wish I had a bear suit )

- Emperor Filonius


I haven't read back, but I would bet the discussion isn't about how unfair the call was, but more the fact that Campbell apologized about missing the off-sides, and disregarded the blown call on the Icing. Can you tell me why that play should have been called off? The puck was dumped in behind the red line, and was not playable. It crossed the goal line before either player got there, and Coburn touched it first. Perfect defination of Icing. The breaks went both ways, but the league has to apologize to the Penguins. Just makes Torts comments and everyone elses about the team being arogant, and the league favoring the penguins more accurate.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
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Apr 13 @ 10:17 AM ET
STATEMENT GAME
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:18 AM ET
To me, weathering the storm means playing disciplined and then counter-punching. In game one, I think the Flyers were running around a bit early, trying to be too aggressive both offensively and defensively and the Penguins played that crank-the-tempo game a lot better than Philly did. They need to pick their spots a little better early and they may be the ones this time to get the odd-man rushes as a result.
- bmeltzer

I agree.. i think the best thing they could do would be to slow the game down a little bit.. work on dumping the puck in and forchecking. When the Flyers get their forecheck going they are scary.

You know the Pens are gonna come out guns a blazing.. instead of trying to go ram on them and collide head to head... use it against them.. counter attack.. let them get in deep and instead of setting up use spring passes to split d-men.

I just dont want another slow start, where the Flyers dont have their legs moving!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:19 AM ET
Fair point, but if you don't KNOW its going to be icing, shouldn't you be making a hard play on the puck and not make any assumptions? It just wasn't a clear cut play.

Anyways, my primary point is that for all the comments about the Pens being whiners, I think they have been remarkably restrained about the offsides issue. They can't control what Campbell says or does, nor can they control the media.

- Emperor Filonius


Nope, nor am I blaming them. I'm criticizing the NHL and the media, not the Pens.

My issue on the icing is, you have one guy calling it an ice for 195 feet and then at the very last second it gets waved off and the principals in the play have no view of the guy waving it off. Looking at the video, the linesman making the wave off is in poor position. There are several players closer to the play than he is, and who can not see him waving the play off.

A lot of the "whining" done over that is in response to the reaction to the blown offsides. It's been made out as though the Flyers won because of a bad call, rather than battling back and winning because they were the better team for the last 35-40 minutes of the game.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 13 @ 10:19 AM ET
If the refs give you calls when you embellish and don't penalize you for it, then you're a moron if you stop embellishing.
- Jsaquella


They need to start throwing out 2 mins for diving. End this garbage now. I wouldnt mind if he did it once a game but when he does it multiple times and acts like he cant skate its a joke.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:19 AM ET
I haven't read back, but I would bet the discussion isn't about how unfair the call was, but more the fact that Campbell apologized about missing the off-sides, and disregarded the blown call on the Icing. Can you tell me why that play should have been called off? The puck was dumped in behind the red line, and was not playable. It crossed the goal line before either player got there, and Coburn touched it first. Perfect defination of Icing. The breaks went both ways, but the league has to apologize to the Penguins. Just makes Torts comments and everyone elses about the team being arogant, and the league favoring the penguins more accurate.
- RooNosHockey

Remind me.. who had 3 power plays and who had one?
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Apr 13 @ 10:20 AM ET
STATEMENT GAME
- Crimsoninja



15 more statements plz
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Apr 13 @ 10:20 AM ET
STATEMENT GAME
- Crimsoninja


Answer the Bell.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
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Apr 13 @ 10:21 AM ET
STATEMENT GAME
- Crimsoninja

+1
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Apr 13 @ 10:21 AM ET
Good morning all. Congrats on Wednesday night's win. Well deserved.

I find it amusing that after such a big win, most of the chatter in here is still about a "blown" icing call.

Considering One linesman (the closer one) waved it off and the other didn't; it was a judgement call and not clear cut. I think the old axiom of playing to the whistle holds true here. It was a 50/50 puck in the corner, and the Flyers D allowed the smallest Penguin on the roster to dig the puck out of the corner and set up the goal.

We keep hearing the last few weeks about how the Pens are whiners and complainers, but there was barely a peep from them about the offsides call, which lets face it, was egregious and they would have been well within their rights to make a huge stink about it. I can only imagine what this forum would have said if the calls we "on the other foot"...of if it occured against a certain Penguins opponent coached by one John Tortorella (imagine THAT post game press conference!)

Anyways, game 2 can't get here fast enough. Look for me, I'll be the guy in the Penguins sweater (although I wish I had a bear suit )

- Emperor Filonius


ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 04.09.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:21 AM ET
STATEMENT GAME
- Crimsoninja



The only kind of game to have!!!


RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Apr 13 @ 10:21 AM ET
To me, weathering the storm means playing disciplined and then counter-punching. In game one, I think the Flyers were running around a bit early, trying to be too aggressive both offensively and defensively and the Penguins played that crank-the-tempo game a lot better than Philly did. That's how the Flyers ended up pinned in their own end so much and getting blasted by a lot of heavy hits. They need to pick their spots a little better early and they may be the ones this time to get the odd-man rushes as a result.
- bmeltzer


What I noticed was, whenever the Flyers got the puck in the defensive zone, the goal was to get to the red line and dump. It was way too easy for Pittsburgh to retrieve the puck and head back up ice. When they did try for sustained pressure in the offensive zone, Pittsburgh isolating the puck carrier, and won the physical battles to force a turn-over and head down ice.

I think to start the game, we need more puck support for the Flyers puck carrier, and to not be happy with dumping it in unless you have 2 guys already heading in on the forecheck. Much like they did in period 2 and 3 and OT last game.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 13 @ 10:22 AM ET
They need to start throwing out 2 mins for diving. End this garbage now. I wouldnt mind if he did it once a game but when he does it multiple times and acts like he cant skate its a joke.
- stveshdy


There's a lot they should do. But as long as they're not doing it, why should he stop?

He's trying to win the game for his team. If a little embellishment helps his team win and doesn't hurt them, why not do it. I blame the refs more than Crosby. Or Briere, who has been known to be a bit of an actor in his own right and may well have "earned" the PP that they tied the game on.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 13 @ 10:23 AM ET
To me, weathering the storm means playing disciplined and then counter-punching. In game one, I think the Flyers were running around a bit early, trying to be too aggressive both offensively and defensively and the Penguins played that crank-the-tempo game a lot better than Philly did. That's how the Flyers ended up pinned in their own end so much and getting blasted by a lot of heavy hits. They need to pick their spots a little better early and they may be the ones this time to get the odd-man rushes as a result.
- bmeltzer

It would be nice to score the games first goal for once and take a lead. Lavi should call a timeout before opening faceoff and start yelling at them so we can get it out of the way.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 13 @ 10:23 AM ET
Boy am I glad I disagree with you here.

Lappy.. he played the game the way it should be played. Dignity and honor to the sport and the sanctity of the game.

- jak521



Embellishing to draw a penalty call doesn't in any way disgrace the dignity, honor and sanctity of the game. It's part of the game. When a player takes his time and indirect line to get back to a puck on an icing call, does that do the same? It happens religiously, in every sport. It's been way overblown, especially when it comes to Crosby.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 13 @ 10:24 AM ET
There's a lot they should do. But as long as they're not doing it, why should he stop?

He's trying to win the game for his team. If a little embellishment helps his team win and doesn't hurt them, why not do it. I blame the refs more than Crosby. Or Briere, who has been known to be a bit of an actor in his own right and may well have "earned" the PP that they tied the game on.

- Jsaquella


I dont disagree. I just thought the best player in the world would have more respect for the game rather than embellish every time hes touched. That would be nice.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:24 AM ET
There's a lot they should do. But as long as they're not doing it, why should he stop?

He's trying to win the game for his team. If a little embellishment helps his team win and doesn't hurt them, why not do it. I blame the refs more than Crosby. Or Briere, who has been known to be a bit of an actor in his own right and may well have "earned" the PP that they tied the game on.

- Jsaquella

That was the Orpik hit right? That was classic 2 minute interference call.. and should have been more had Briere suffered an injury. He ran him for a mile and clobbered him when Briere never played the puck.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:24 AM ET
Embellishing to draw a penalty call doesn't in any way disgrace the dignity, honor and sanctity of the game. It's part of the game. When a player takes his time and indirect line to get back to a puck on an icing call, does that do the same? It happens religiously, in every sport. It's been way overblown, especially when it comes to Crosby.
- MJL

Im sorry.. I thought diving was a penalty. Silly me.

When a guy like that flails around and dives to the ice.. its patently offensive. Thats why guys react the way they do.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 13 @ 10:25 AM ET
Good morning all. Congrats on Wednesday night's win. Well deserved.

I find it amusing that after such a big win, most of the chatter in here is still about a "blown" icing call.

Considering One linesman (the closer one) waved it off and the other didn't; it was a judgement call and not clear cut. I think the old axiom of playing to the whistle holds true here. It was a 50/50 puck in the corner, and the Flyers D allowed the smallest Penguin on the roster to dig the puck out of the corner and set up the goal.

We keep hearing the last few weeks about how the Pens are whiners and complainers, but there was barely a peep from them about the offsides call, which lets face it, was egregious and they would have been well within their rights to make a huge stink about it. I can only imagine what this forum would have said if the calls we "on the other foot"...of if it occured against a certain Penguins opponent coached by one John Tortorella (imagine THAT post game press conference!)

Anyways, game 2 can't get here fast enough. Look for me, I'll be the guy in the Penguins sweater (although I wish I had a bear suit )

- Emperor Filonius



In the same manner that the Flyers should play to the whistle on the icing call. Fleury still has an opportunity to make the save on the blown offsides call. And Briere still has to score.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 13 @ 10:25 AM ET
Embellishing to draw a penalty call doesn't in any way disgrace the dignity, honor and sanctity of the game. It's part of the game. When a player takes his time and indirect line to get back to a puck on an icing call, does that do the same? It happens religiously, in every sport. It's been way overblown, especially when it comes to Crosby.
- MJL


I dont like the fake diving. Turns me off. Something I wouldnt be proud about doing multiple times a game, especially if im the best player in the world. Just play the game and stop acting like you been shot when your touched.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Apr 13 @ 10:26 AM ET
I dont like the fake diving. Turns me off. Something I wouldnt be proud about doing multiple times a game, especially if im the best player in the world. Just play the game and stop acting like you been shot when your touched.
- stveshdy

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