The radio is playing the Flyers on 610 and the Phillies on 94.1

Flyers playoffs still gets a backseat to the Phillies who are playing their 5th game, what a joke.
- stveshdy

ridiculous!!

There was no way you were going to win that argument in the Pens forum. Crosby's game speaks for itself. He was the most dominant player in the game when he got hurt and once again has the highest point per game average in the league since his return. You can quote whatever polls you like in regards to Malkin, but he's going to win the Hart Trophy this year, he's a Conn Smythe Trophy winner, and he now has 2 scoring titles under his belt.

There's no denying Giroux is a VERY talented player, but he simply doesn't have the resume' that Crosby and Malkin have.
- Emperor Filonius

I agree. I really wish we could move on from this nonsense. There is actually a game going to be played tonight. Instead it's the refs this, and Crosby and Malkin this and that. It's quite ironic all the whining going on about Crosby whining. LOL

It is completely and totally over exaggerated. Since the beginning of sports, superstar level players get the benefit of the doubt on some calls. It's nothing new. The role the officials play in the outcome of a game is lot of time completely exaggerated.

It was pretty obvious why the Rinaldo call was made in that game. Using that is a poor example.
- MJL

Is the complaining and female dogging about the officiating overblown? Sure, absolutely. My point ius that the officiating in the NHL is horrible.
In saying that all teams have to deal with it and make adjustments accordingly.
The flyers have melted down a few games this year because they were on the wrong side of bad officiating.
That's the teams fault for that. Remain composed and overcome.
The Rinaldo reference was a perfectly legit example. The refs were looking for an excuse to make an example so the game didn't get out of hand. After all the hype leading up to the game the refs had it in their minds to nab someone.
Rinaldo was the perfect scapegoat.
If they were to call the game by the book and not tolerate after the whistle scrums and then toss guys the same point is made albeit fairly.

Is the complaining and female dogging about the officiating overblown? Sure, absolutely. My point ius that the officiating in the NHL is horrible.
In saying that all teams have to deal with it and make adjustments accordingly.
The flyers have melted down a few games this year because they were on the wrong side of bad officiating.
That's the teams fault for that. Remain composed and overcome.
The Rinaldo reference was a perfectly legit example. The refs were looking for an excuse to make an example so the game didn't get out of hand. After all the hype leading up to the game the refs had it in their minds to nab someone.
Rinaldo was the perfect scapegoat.
If they were to call the game by the book and not tolerate after the whistle scrums and then toss guys the same point is made albeit fairly.
- bird_dog

If McIntyre for the Pens had made the same hit, the same call would of been made. Again, in that game in which it was obvious the officiating was going be from a different mindset due to the situation, versus tonight's playoff game, is a really poor example. About as worse of an example that could be used.

I wouldn't say that NHL officiating is horrible. I would use the term inconsistent. Thare are some NHL Officials that are very good, and some that are poor. And some in between. Far too much is made of the officiating in my opinion.

ill be there by puck drop thx
- aightwebang17

A bit ahead of schedule, are we?

But for his point it wasnt a poor example. Thats not by any means a 5 minute major penalty. Dont call it that way.
- jak521

Great minds think alike, at least somebody got my point.

A bit ahead of schedule, are we?
- BulliesPhan87

We are pretty much in the winding down phase at this point. Extensions pretty much dunzo and about a dozen or so returns to get out by Tuesday.

How you making out?

There was no way you were going to win that argument in the Pens forum. Crosby's game speaks for itself. He was the most dominant player in the game when he got hurt and once again has the highest point per game average in the league since his return. You can quote whatever polls you like in regards to Malkin, but he's going to win the Hart Trophy this year, he's a Conn Smythe Trophy winner, and he now has 2 scoring titles under his belt.

There's no denying Giroux is a VERY talented player, but he simply doesn't have the resume' that Crosby and Malkin have.
- Emperor Filonius

LOL...so now you come into the Flyers forum and want to make your point and try to "win this argument" here?!?! LOL, how ironic.

You're so focused on "the resume" (i.e. career numbers) but you just refuse to acknowledge that the discussion is not "who has been the better player over the past 5 years?"...the discussion is "WHO ARE THE TOP 5 PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW?" I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand and grasp. Even the other NHL players ranked Giroux as a Top-5 player (and higher than Malkin)...so just get over yourself and stop trying to fight a losing battle. Giroux is absolutely on par with your 2 stars RIGHT NOW. That is all, thank you and have a nice day.

LOL...so now you come into the Flyers forum and want to make your point and try to "win this argument" here?!?! LOL, how ironic.

You're so focused on "the resume" (i.e. career numbers) but you just refuse to acknowledge that the discussion is not "who has been the better player over the past 5 years?"...the discussion is "WHO ARE THE TOP 5 PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW?" I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand and grasp. Even the other NHL players ranked Giroux as a Top-5 player (and higher than Malkin)...so just get over yourself and stop trying to fight a losing battle. Giroux is absolutely on par with your 2 stars RIGHT NOW. That is all, thank you and have a nice day.
- shonoff95

He didn't in any way say that Giroux wasn't one of the top 5 players in the League right now. In fact he gave his opinion with objectivity, instead of a clear Flyers bias.

ill be there by puck drop thx
- aightwebang17

bring ur wife. mine likes her more than you or me.

Nothing constant about it...won't hear me say a thing about it unless it's warranted, which after that disgrace 2 weeks ago it is and we'll see how this first game goes tonight. All I can say is if 87 and 71 want to continue their antics, I hope someone in orange and black makes them answer for it!
- aantny88

Completely on board with this sentiment here. If the officiating is on par with what happened on 4/1, be prepared to hear about it. If it's more consistent & calls are being made each way in a more fair & equitable fashion, than it won't become an issue. Either way...I totally agree that if 87 slashes G 3 times off a faceoff again or 71 rabbit punches G in the back of the head while face first on the ice, I certainly hope that someone takes the fight to their doorstep and lets them know that kind of crap is not acceptable (even if the refs decide to look the other way like they have in the past).

He didn't in any way say that Giroux wasn't one of the top 5 players in the League right now. In fact he gave his opinion with objectivity, instead of a clear Flyers bias.
- MJL

MJL, you missed the initial discussion in the Pens forum yesterday (that was allued to) where Mr. Emperor and his comrades absolutely did contend that Giroux is not a top-5 player in the league. You might want to be more informed about a situation before commenting next time.

Sorry if you thought I was being condescending, truly not my intention. Just think G has been a top performer since the 2010 playoffs and doesn't get quite the accolades he deserves. I really hope they let the teams play and only call the blatant infractions. It'll be an amazing series if they do that!
- aantny88

+1.

We are pretty much in the winding down phase at this point. Extensions pretty much dunzo and about a dozen or so returns to get out by Tuesday.

How you making out?
- aightwebang17

About the same. We've been in really good shape for a week or two now, so it's mostly getting the loose ends. Still busy, but clearly winding down. There's light at the end of the tunnel

If McIntyre for the Pens had made the same hit, the same call would of been made. Again, in that game in which it was obvious the officiating was going be from a different mindset due to the situation, versus tonight's playoff game, is a really poor example. About as worse of an example that could be used.

I wouldn't say that NHL officiating is horrible. I would use the term inconsistent. Thare are some NHL Officials that are very good, and some that are poor. And some in between. Far too much is made of the officiating in my opinion.
- MJL

So to use your example that because the game is meaningless the officiating gets decided differently? If the blue jackets had been playing edmonton at the end of the year and the game gets rough just start throwing out players because a powder keg is brewing? That's a ridiculous set of circumstances to determine how you do your job.

We already agreed that the last pens flyers game was predetermined to be officiated with prejudice.
That IS my whole point. If the 6-4 flyers win would have been called the right way most likely there is not a need to be male appendages and call a clenched butthole game and the hype is not even close to what it was.

If you can't understand what I'm saying at this point fine but don't try and paint my argument as paltry and insignificant.

bring ur wife. mine likes her more than you or me.
- OrangeBlack27

you guys get together and watch the games? that's awesome!

The radio is playing the Flyers on 610 and the Phillies on 94.1

Flyers playoffs still gets a backseat to the Phillies who are playing their 5th game, what a joke.
- stveshdy

I will have my NO G phone to keep up with game...via twitter...

you guys get together and watch the games? that's awesome!
- flyersfan51

only in secret and we invite no one else.

If anyone is looking to kill some time and get a bit more pumped up (like we need to) for puck drop, there's a link below to some decent slideshows I put together during the run in 2010.

When you click the link it'll take you to the slideshow software web site and ask you to download and run a small file so you can view the shows. It's safe.

Once loaded just click on one of the thumbnails (Round 1, 2, 3) and then click the "Band of Brothers" pic in the middle of the frame to start playing.

You can watch it in the player window or enlarge it to full screen, but keep in mind the pics were small to start with so they'll look a little softer at full screen size. There's a soundtrack too.

Enjoy!

http://www.photodex.com/s...re/rockychocbill/g8ap8mg4

If McIntyre for the Pens had made the same hit, the same call would of been made. Again, in that game in which it was obvious the officiating was going be from a different mindset due to the situation, versus tonight's playoff game, is a really poor example. About as worse of an example that could be used.

I wouldn't say that NHL officiating is horrible. I would use the term inconsistent. Thare are some NHL Officials that are very good, and some that are poor. And some in between. Far too much is made of the officiating in my opinion.
- MJL

so you are assuming the officials would make the same call if it was McIntrye? Okay...good to hear.

Here's my take. Your not going to get it. At least not from the fan's perspective. A lot stems from a number of reasons. Some of it is not understanding the rules. Some of it is the whining of the pro Flyer announcers when Jackson raises his voice and whines "no call".

We see a lot of times there would be a scrum of a bunch of players, and only one get's called. And there bewilderment of why that is. Here's how I see it. You can normally push and shove all you want. Grab a guy in a headlock, etc. And there normally won't be a call. But when there is a punch or a shot to the face or head that is a significant blow, that is what they'll call. And sometimes it's only one guy who will do that.
- MJL

How many times has it happened this season where there's been a scrum that's initiated by an opposing player and/or involves 2 opposing players on one Flyer and the end result is an uneven amount of penalties called, an extra Flyer in the box, and a PP for the other team? Like Hartnell having his face rubbed into the ice by Kunitz's forearm (no penalty) or Engelland & Niskanen both on Simmonds in the 4/1 game with Engelland dropping the gloves first & punching Wayne in the back of the head (only offsetting fighting penalties called there) while Asham got into it with both Schenn and Rinaldo but yet somehow the Pens came away with a PP (that they scored on). That's the kind of crap that I think most Flyers fans are complaining about and want to see gone...as well as the consistency from calling or not-calling ticky-tack stuff at one end but not the other.

So to use your example that because the game is meaningless the officiating gets decided differently? If the blue jackets had been playing edmonton at the end of the year and the game gets rough just start throwing out players because a powder keg is brewing? That's a ridiculous set of circumstances to determine how you do your job.

We already agreed that the last pens flyers game was predetermined to be officiated with prejudice.
That IS my whole point. If the 6-4 flyers win would have been called the right way most likely there is not a need to be male appendages and call a clenched butthole game and the hype is not even close to what it was.

If you can't understand what I'm saying at this point fine but don't try and paint my argument as paltry and insignificant.
- bird_dog

No, I totally get what you're saying and completely agree with you, Birddog. You make good points and I can't disagree with anything you said.

LOL...so now you come into the Flyers forum and want to make your point and try to "win this argument" here?!?! LOL, how ironic.

You're so focused on "the resume" (i.e. career numbers) but you just refuse to acknowledge that the discussion is not "who has been the better player over the past 5 years?"...the discussion is "WHO ARE THE TOP 5 PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW?" I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand and grasp. Even the other NHL players ranked Giroux as a Top-5 player (and higher than Malkin)...so just get over yourself and stop trying to fight a losing battle. Giroux is absolutely on par with your 2 stars RIGHT NOW. That is all, thank you and have a nice day.
- shonoff95

I've been coming to the Flyers forum long enough to know how to respectfully make my point, move on, exist here peacefully and have a little fun. I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind here one arguments about the refs and who is better etc.....but I still have a good discussion with most folks.

On the other hand, you pick a fight on the Pens board and drag it out for 5 pages and seem stunned that people don't agree with you (which is why I rarely respond to your posts on our board).

Good morning, good luck.

I put together a quick read previewing the series here, mostly statistical stuff:

http://my.hockeybuzz.com/...er_id=25345&post_id=13323

MJL, you missed the initial discussion in the Pens forum yesterday (that was allued to) where Mr. Emperor and his comrades absolutely did contend that Giroux is not a top-5 player in the league. You might want to be more informed about a situation before commenting next time.
- shonoff95

Maybe you should check YOUR facts next time. I never addressed your post yesterday in our forum...having any discussion with you on our board is a waste of my time.