I totally agree with you if anything they just need to get rid of the shootout then everyone can shut up about the loser point...
- Crazycaboose

If anything, they can harp on a team for winning a lot of games in a shootout because that's how every many extra points they get. Like the Devils have 12 extra points, however, the shootout, for those that aren't a fan of it, would be a tie if it did not go into a shootout. Therefore, losing 11 or so times in a shootout is essentially the same as tying those 11 games.

I totally agree with you if anything they just need to get rid of the shootout then everyone can shut up about the loser point...
- Crazycaboose

Not to turn this into a shootout debate, but...

I don't like the shootout, but I don't think they should get rid of it. I don't like ties and I really don't think they should extend OT. IMO:

3 points for OT/reg win
2 SO win
1 SO loss
0 for reg/OT loss

If anything, they can harp on a team for winning a lot of games in a shootout because that's how every many extra points they get. Like the Devils have 12 extra points, however, the shootout, for those that aren't a fan of it, would be a tie if it did not go into a shootout. Therefore, losing 11 or so times in a shootout is essentially the same as tying those 11 games.
- _Zippy_

Exactly.

How about we pair up Nashville against Florida for the SCF. With a bit UP YOURS to the traditionalists.

Exactly.
- rmdevil313

I'm a youngin', but pre-shootout days, did you get a point for losing in OT, I was too young to care or remember.

Not to turn this into a shootout debate, but...

I don't like the shootout, but I don't think they should get rid of it. I don't like ties and I really don't think they should extend OT. IMO:

3 points for OT/reg win
2 SO win
1 SO loss
0 for reg/OT loss
- rmdevil313

Ya that's a pretty good idea, I do like when there is a winner and loser. not that tie poop but everyone is so butt hurt that the panthers have so many loser points. I think it is better to have it because your team kept the game close and didn't just lose.

I'm a youngin', but pre-shootout days, did you get a point for losing in OT, I was too young to care or remember.
- _Zippy_

I believe the loser point started in the late 90s, could be wrong though.

Ya that's a pretty good idea, I do like when there is a winner and loser. not that tie poop but everyone is so butt hurt that the panthers have so many loser points. I think it is better to have it because your team kept the game close and didn't just lose.
- Crazycaboose

The main problem I have is that games have different value. Some games hand out 3 points and some games hand out 2. Really don't think you can have accurate standings unless the same amount of points are awarded each game.

The main problem I have is that games have different value. Some games hand out 3 points and some games hand out 2. Really don't think you can have accurate standings unless the same amount of points are awarded each game.
- rmdevil313

Yes you right the system is very (frank)ed up with the three point games.

Not to turn this into a shootout debate, but...

I don't like the shootout, but I don't think they should get rid of it. I don't like ties and I really don't think they should extend OT. IMO:

3 points for OT/reg win
2 SO win
1 SO loss
0 for reg/OT loss
- rmdevil313

im all for getting away with the shootout and all

BUT KEEP WINS 2 POINTS!!!

2pts for a win in reg/ot
1 for ot loss + shootout for the casual fans
0 for loss

or

2pts for a nonshootout win
1 for a shootout win
0 for any loss

Who cares if the SE Division was a poor one? They still clinched the playoffs without winning it.

Panthers deserve it all. Over ten new faces. Key injuries throughout the season. The chemistry, the team bonding.... Tallon is a genius.

im all for getting away with the shootout and all

BUT KEEP WINS 2 POINTS!!!

2pts for a win in reg/ot
1 for ot loss + shootout for the casual fans
0 for loss

or

2pts for a nonshootout win
1 for a shootout win
0 for any loss
- dmarsden2988

Why? I really don't understand what the difference would be, other than increased point totals at the end.

And the first scenario is implausible. It offers sooooo much variety in points awarded, doesn't fix the loser point problem for OT, and some teams might score on themselves in OT for the guaranteed point.

Why? I really don't understand what the difference would be, other than increased point totals at the end.

And the first scenario is implausible. It offers sooooo much variety in points awarded, doesn't fix the loser point problem for OT, and some teams might score on themselves in OT for the guaranteed point.
- rmdevil313

2pts is tradition, changing the pts system like that skews everything and is just a bad idea imo

idc how they do the pts as long as there is no 3pts for a win

2pts is tradition, changing the pts system like that skews everything and is just a bad idea imo

idc how they do the pts as long as there is no 3pts for a win
- dmarsden2988

What? This really isn't a reason...

Tradition? In the points system? What about the loser point? The shootout? These broke "tradition." The current system skews the standings if anything. Not having an equal amount of points awarded each game skews everything.

What? This really isn't a reason...

Tradition? In the points system? What about the loser point? The shootout? These broke "tradition." The current system skews the standings if anything. Not having an equal amount of points awarded each game skews everything.
- rmdevil313

and they kept wins at 2pts, its been like that forever, the teams/owners/players complained about the ot system and wanted to get more fans excited and they figured the shootout will help that, theres not much they could do other then do away with the shootout which they wont do, and it didnt so much break tradition, they kept the pts the same by keeping wins at 2 and what you can say a tie/ot loss as 1 (and shootout loss) and just added an extra category of wins and gave the shootout winner an extra point

3pt wins is just an awful idea and it has been debated on here many times and many hate the idea (myself included) and others said they were just coming up with an idea but would much rather fix the pt system while keeping wins at 2pts

and they kept wins at 2pts, its been like that forever, the teams/owners/players complained about the ot system and wanted to get more fans excited and they figured the shootout will help that, theres not much they could do other then do away with the shootout which they wont do, and it didnt so much break tradition, they kept the pts the same by keeping wins at 2 and what you can say a tie/ot loss as 1 (and shootout loss) and just added an extra category of wins and gave the shootout winner an extra point

3pt wins is just an awful idea and it has been debated on here many times and many hate the idea (myself included) and others said they were just coming up with an idea but would much rather fix the pt system while keeping wins at 2pts
- dmarsden2988

I'd rather see either no loser pts, or 3,2,1. Either all games are 2 pt games or all games are 3 pt games. The fact that some are 3 pt games while others are 2pt games is what (frank)s things up more than anything else.

and they kept wins at 2pts, its been like that forever, the teams/owners/players complained about the ot system and wanted to get more fans excited and they figured the shootout will help that, theres not much they could do other then do away with the shootout which they wont do, and it didnt so much break tradition, they kept the pts the same by keeping wins at 2 and what you can say a tie/ot loss as 1 (and shootout loss) and just added an extra category of wins and gave the shootout winner an extra point

3pt wins is just an awful idea and it has been debated on here many times and many hate the idea (myself included) and others said they were just coming up with an idea but would much rather fix the pt system while keeping wins at 2pts
- dmarsden2988

And fans, coaches, players, gms are complaining about loser points and all that bullpoop now...

And yes, both did break tradition. The original system was 2 points for a win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss. Adding OT broke the tradition of the tie at the end of regulation. Adding the loser point broke the tradition of 0 points for a loss and gave some games the value of 3 points. Adding the shootout got rid of the tradition of the tie.

Your argument is standing on the same legs as someone that wanted to ban the forward pass again. So far all I've gathered is that 3 points is a bad idea because it breaks tradition. Always going by tradition makes it all the more likely you'll be behind...

I'd rather see either no loser pts, or 3,2,1. Either all games are 2 pt games or all games are 3 pt games. The fact that some are 3 pt games while others are 2pt games is what (frank)s things up more than anything else.
- golfingsince

Exactly and agreed completely.

Unlike Burke.
- IronMaidnick

Yes. There were naysayers galore. There still are. Just go back to the start of the season, the early season and look at posts here, the Hockey news, TSN, even what was then Versus covered an early Cats game and Milbury dumped all over us. Even last night Milbury more or less said the Cats would be chump change for the Devils. The free-agent spree was mocked as a pure grab to overspend to the cap floor and nothing more. Even when we roared out of the gate it was called an aberration.

As for the SE division and the loser point, some facts. The SE was the only division where all the teams were .500 or better. The Panthers had fewer regulation time losses than any teams but Boston and Pittsburgh, Vancouver and St. Louis. The SE has 2 teams in the playoffs. Contrast with the true worst division, the Northwest.

So we suck at shootouts.

There are no shootouts in the playoffs.

and the best part is that this is purring icing on the cake. Sure we'd love to win some games in the playoffs, but win or lose, we are just happy to be back in. We still have the #1 farm system in the league coming up so every year should get better and better.

Thanks Dale Talon.

Congrats Panthers !! Good Luck moving forward, if everything goes as planned we will see you in Round 2

What? This really isn't a reason...

Tradition? In the points system? What about the loser point? The shootout? These broke "tradition." The current system skews the standings if anything. Not having an equal amount of points awarded each game skews everything.
- rmdevil313

I think he's saying by going to a three-point system, it basically screws all the past history and the records set by prior teams.

im all for getting away with the shootout and all

BUT KEEP WINS 2 POINTS!!!

2pts for a win in reg/ot
1 for ot loss + shootout for the casual fans
0 for loss

or

2pts for a nonshootout win
1 for a shootout win
0 for any loss
- dmarsden2988

Your 2nd option is best and exactly what I've been saying for a while now....stop rewarding a loser regardless of how they lose...no other sport rewards any type of loser....reduce the shootout win to only 1 point to maybe help reduce the number of shootouts as more teams will likely go for it in regulation or OT....the NHL already recognizes to a certain extent that shootout wins aren't on par with regulation or OT wins given that they exclude shootout wins to determine any tie-breakers at the end of the year, so it wouldn't be so radical to reduce the shoot-out winner to just one point

Dan,
Are you really concerned over what Mike (I have pictures of Bettman) Milbury thinks? That great evaluator of talent? Wait you are Florida's blogger? Is your memory that short, Luongo and Jokinnen for Parrish and Kvasha? Oh but he can recognize young talent, I mean he passed on Zach Parise (who had no connection to the franchise) to draft....ROBERT NILSSON! But hey did take Pettri Nokelainen in 04 and Ryan O'Marra in 05, passing on Mike Green in 04!
The man is the worst evaluator of talent in the history of the NHL! Whatever he says go with the opposite! His only great moment came in the stands with a fan's shoe in his hands, and yet the NHL and all it's associates continue to let this blithering idiot talk!

If/when Jose fails in net (his playoff performances are pretty week), I wonder if they'd consider using Markstrom. He's the only goalie in the organization that could steal a game or two.