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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 9:05 PM ET
I think it's going to be very hard to keep Carle after this signing.
- stveshdy


Carle is a pretty important lock up...esp when the other puck mover is all likely set to retire next year. I would think they would trade forward depth, not resign Jagr in order to get something hammered out with him
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Apr 6 @ 9:07 PM ET
Pens wanna goon it up eh?


LEGGO PIGEONS!

GARRET KLOTZ WE NEED U.

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 9:07 PM ET
First what's going to happen with Pronger has to be figured out. The odds of all those players you listed being on the team next year is slim to none.
- MJL


Aren't all signed except for Carle (or is MAB up?) Are you saying there is slim to none chance Carles resigns. Do you think they would look to trade a piece out of the D core to sign him?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:10 PM ET
Aren't all signed except for Carle (or is MAB up?) Are you saying there is slim to none chance Carles resigns. Do you think they would look to trade a piece out of the D core to sign him?
- Just5


I think the odds are against Carle being retained. What's going to happen with Pronger? At this point, who knows what's going to happen. But something has to happen with somebody.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 9:11 PM ET
I think the odds are against Carle being retained. What's going to happen with Pronger? At this point, who knows what's going to happen. But something has to happen with somebody.
- MJL


I think its safe for us to operate as if Pronger will not ever come back.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:13 PM ET
I think its safe for us to operate as if Pronger will not ever come back.
- Just5


It's not about how we'll operate. It's about how the Flyers will operate. When will they know if Pronger is going to play next year or not? By the draft? By July 1?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 6 @ 9:15 PM ET
I think its safe for us to operate as if Pronger will not ever come back.
- Just5


True, but there will be somewhat of a handcuff in the off season because you can only spend 10% over the cap. And if I am not mistaken Pronger counts against the cap during the off season right? Once the season starts his number goes on LTIR, but before then it kind of hampers what they can do in free agency to a degree right? I may be mistaken.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:16 PM ET
True, but there will be somewhat of a handcuff in the off season because you can only spend 10% over the cap. And if I am not mistaken Pronger counts against the cap during the off season right? Once the season starts his number goes on LTIR, but before then it kind of hampers what they can do in free agency to a degree right? I may be mistaken.
- MBFlyerfan


Your not mistaken. I have no idea how they're going to deal with that.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Apr 6 @ 9:20 PM ET
Your not mistaken. I have no idea how they're going to deal with that.
- MJL

Only way I see Carle back is if they deal a salary that's at least $4m
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 6 @ 9:28 PM ET

- Don'tForgetTocchet

Tonight, we dyed eggs, celebrated my mom-in-law's birthday, & talked about jerseys. My wife wants an Everett Silvertips Jersey (her favorite Jr. team) and it is known whose Jersey I want. (Stupid autocorrect capitalized jersey)
nhindian
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.12.2008

Apr 6 @ 9:29 PM ET
Tonight, we dyed eggs, celebrated my mom-in-law's birthday, & talked about jerseys. My wife wants an Everett Silvertips Jersey (her favorite Jr. team) and it is known whose Jersey I want. (Stupid autocorrect capitalized jersey)
- Flyskippy


You want South Jersey don't you?
Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:30 PM ET
It's not about how we'll operate. It's about how the Flyers will operate. When will they know if Pronger is going to play next year or not? By the draft? By July 1?
- MJL


Welcome to our world of this past offseason.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:32 PM ET
Tonight, we dyed eggs, celebrated my mom-in-law's birthday, & talked about jerseys. My wife wants an Everett Silvertips Jersey (her favorite Jr. team) and it is known whose Jersey I want. (Stupid autocorrect capitalized jersey)
- Flyskippy


Lasse Kukkonen ?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Apr 6 @ 9:37 PM ET
Lasse Kukkonen ?
- ob18

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 9:38 PM ET
Your not mistaken. I have no idea how they're going to deal with that.
- MJL


Hopefully the new CBA will allow for teams to be able to get out contracts of career ending serious injuries/concussions like Pronger. That might be their only hope
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:48 PM ET
Your not mistaken. I have no idea how they're going to deal with that.
- MJL


I'm not sure Kimmo is a lock to come back next year. He's 37 and his back isn't getting better. I'm sure he'll let the Flyers know pretty quickly either way. I thought the price for Grossmann was very reasonable and well deserved. Coburn and Grossmann have been a very effective shut down tandem.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 9:54 PM ET
I'm not sure Kimmo is a lock to come back next year. He's 37 and his back isn't getting better. I'm sure he'll let the Flyers know pretty quickly either way. I thought the price for Grossmann was very reasonable and well deserved. Coburn and Grossmann have been a very effective shut down tandem.
- ravishingone


Think he'll walk away from 6.3? Flyers will gladly have him
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:56 PM ET
Hopefully the new CBA will allow for teams to be able to get out contracts of career ending serious injuries/concussions like Pronger. That might be their only hope
- Just5


Not going to happen.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:57 PM ET
I'm not sure Kimmo is a lock to come back next year. He's 37 and his back isn't getting better. I'm sure he'll let the Flyers know pretty quickly either way. I thought the price for Grossmann was very reasonable and well deserved. Coburn and Grossmann have been a very effective shut down tandem.
- ravishingone


I fully expect Timonen back next Season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:58 PM ET
Think he'll walk away from 6.3? Flyers will gladly have him
- Just5


Timonen's salary is 3M next year, not 6.3M.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 6 @ 9:58 PM ET
Timonen's salary is 3M next year, not 6.3M.
- MJL

Forgot about that. Still hard to walk away from
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Apr 6 @ 9:59 PM ET
Think he'll walk away from 6.3? Flyers will gladly have him
- Just5


http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=746

You may want to check out his contract, he would be walking away from $3 million, I expect him back, but I wouldn't call it a lock.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Apr 6 @ 9:59 PM ET
Lasse Kukkonen ?
- ob18


Heh. I saw someone selling one on eBay. orangeblack18 was his seller name. How unfortunate.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Apr 6 @ 10:01 PM ET
Heh. I saw someone selling one on eBay. orangeblack18 was his seller name. How unfortunate.
- Flyskippy


I will never sell mine.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Apr 6 @ 10:02 PM ET
I fully expect Timonen back next Season.
- MJL


I do also.

Even without a healthy Pronger and Carle leaving:

Grossmann-Coburn
Meszy-Timmonen
Lilja-Bourdon (or Guftsy, Manning)

Still a pretty formidable top 6

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