Not at all, but Foster was a role player that turned around our power play. I dont know what to expect out of Palmieri, and a high round draft pick is what it is. But you're missing the point. We're a team witha budget that's trying to resign our captain and 9 other upcoming free agents on our roster. We just took a massive contract that we won't be able to move. Who knows, he could turn out great, but we're now locked into our fate with him and have that much less money to give to Parise and others.

I'm not saying this is a bad trade. I'm saying its too early to judge
- TheJerseyDevil1

Foster did not turn around our PP. Our team took time to adjust to the new coaching scheme, and I do not think we were completely in sync from all of the previous years moves. It took time, but I have to say the coaching staff has done a great job in working in working out our problems. Earlier in the year I was fairly critical of DeBoer, and some of his coaching moves, but he is getting the most out of his players and Lou made some great moves to add to our depth. Foster was fortunate to be the only defensman semi-decent on the PP and was also fortunate to have a highly talented PP to play on. Since Zidlicky has come, our possession, puck movement, and I would say finish has all improved on the PP.

And yeah, we have 9 UFAs, but Zach is the only one that will command more than this season.

whats this budget your talking of? cap room? because we will have a bunch of it so no worry about parise leaving for that reason

the only way i see parise leaving is if he just doesnt want to be a devil, plain and simple

zidlicky is a player we as a team have been looking for, he doesnt just create on the pp he does it at even strength too, something foster couldnt, he also can bring the puck up which no other dman could do

and the asking price for a PMD these days is pretty darn high, as in 4mill+
- dmarsden2988

Source(s):

http://www.yardbarker.com...gning_zach_parise/9740722

http://www.nypost.com/p/s...ne_3CcYDanh7Q6mJPnD2ALccN

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...in-monster-203343407.html

http://www.nhl.com/index....evils_financial_problems/

http://content.usatoday.c...al-trouble/1#.T30VdL9AZLc

A. With Zidlicky, our PP is 10x better, maybe not cashing in, but Zidlicky is 10x the player Foster was.

B. Palmieri will be a third liner, maybe a second liner. He'll probably wind up like Bernier, and at best, Ponikarovsky. Those guys are easily replaceable, and if we keep one of Poni or Bernier, Palmieri is essentially replaced.

C. The Devils aren't on a "budget," if you've read anything, we have no trouble spending up to the cap, it's just that we have this debt in the background that we don't have the money to pay back, yet we can pay interest on it. Therefore, everything you said past that budget point is irrelevant.

If we didn't get Zidlicky, then I'm sure you and others would be female doging about the lack of a top-end puck-mover. Zidlicky is just that, whether you are too blind to realize it or not...

( Couldn't find a way to fit it some Ole English words Shvingy. )
- _Zippy_

Source(s):

http://www.yardbarker.com...gning_zach_parise/9740722

http://www.nypost.com/p/s...ne_3CcYDanh7Q6mJPnD2ALccN

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...in-monster-203343407.html

http://www.nhl.com/index....evils_financial_problems/

http://content.usatoday.c...al-trouble/1#.T30VdL9AZLc

You didn't read a word I said. At best, he will be like Ponikarovsky and even that is a stretch.
- _Zippy_

I think Steve Bernier is the more accurate comparison. Unimpressive player that is decent bottom 6 man if he could ever put forth the consistent effort.

Source(s):

http://www.yardbarker.com...gning_zach_parise/9740722

http://www.nypost.com/p/s...ne_3CcYDanh7Q6mJPnD2ALccN

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...in-monster-203343407.html

http://www.nhl.com/index....evils_financial_problems/

http://content.usatoday.c...al-trouble/1#.T30VdL9AZLc
- TheJerseyDevil1

All of your sources go back to the NY Post....

Source(s):

http://www.yardbarker.com...gning_zach_parise/9740722

http://www.nypost.com/p/s...ne_3CcYDanh7Q6mJPnD2ALccN

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...in-monster-203343407.html

http://www.nhl.com/index....evils_financial_problems/

http://content.usatoday.c...al-trouble/1#.T30VdL9AZLc
- TheJerseyDevil1

so all pretty old and all of them relate directly from the post which has been proven wrong numerous times and they cant keep their story straight

the same reporters who said the devils have been put on a league mandated budget cap, and an hour later we added salary for the 3rd time by getting ponikarovski

the NHL has refuted all reports from the post (all other reports, even wall street journal got their info from the post) and the league advanced us the revenue sharing money owed to us, so it wasnt a loan, and they do that with other teams too

im sure there are some financial troubles but no where near the level that the post is trying to make it out to be

and this came out yesterday to be more current
http://blogs.northjersey....s_600k_from_rent_dispute/

Source(s):

http://www.yardbarker.com...gning_zach_parise/9740722

http://www.nypost.com/p/s...ne_3CcYDanh7Q6mJPnD2ALccN

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...in-monster-203343407.html

http://www.nhl.com/index....evils_financial_problems/

http://content.usatoday.c...al-trouble/1#.T30VdL9AZLc
- TheJerseyDevil1

If we're on a budget, don't you think its counterproductive to add a player like Zidlicky who makes a lot of money?

If we're on a budget, don't you think its counterproductive to add a player like Zidlicky who makes a lot of money?
- rmdevil313

Yes you idiot, thats the whole point of this discussion

Yes you idiot, thats the whole point of this discussion
- TheJerseyDevil1

Well, if you catch the drift, it goes against the point of having a budget if you keep adding salary...

Well, if you catch the drift, it goes against the point of having a budget if you keep adding salary...
- rmdevil313

If you read how this started I said I'm skeptical about this trade, not because of what we gave up, but because of what we added. We added a big contract that extends through next season while on a budget (whether or not you accept it) and with a bunch of contracts about to expire.

This has nothing to do with how he's been playing, thats not the issue. I'm saying for better or for worse, we are locked into his hefty contract while we don't have much money to spend over the offseason to resign/replace the majority of our team.

You get millions for each round your progress which if we succeed will counteract Zidlicky's contract. Boom!

If you read how this started I said I'm skeptical about this trade, not because of what we gave up, but because of what we added. We added a big contract that extends through next season while on a budget (whether or not you accept it) and with a bunch of contracts about to expire.

This has nothing to do with how he's been playing, thats not the issue. I'm saying for better or for worse, we are locked into his hefty contract while we don't have much money to spend over the offseason to resign/replace the majority of our team.
- TheJerseyDevil1

What in my last post mentioned his play? We were talking about budget. Which is a concept you cannot seem to grasp. We are adding salary. I don't think Lou would have added this contract at the expense of Parise. He has never done anything of the sort.

And yeah we have a bunch of UFAs. Please go through the players that are integral parts of our team and will command a huge pay raise after this season.

If you read how this started I said I'm skeptical about this trade, not because of what we gave up, but because of what we added. We added a big contract that extends through next season while on a budget (whether or not you accept it) and with a bunch of contracts about to expire.

This has nothing to do with how he's been playing, thats not the issue. I'm saying for better or for worse, we are locked into his hefty contract while we don't have much money to spend over the offseason to resign/replace the majority of our team.
- TheJerseyDevil1

if there is such a budget then dont you think lou would have said keep it how it is so we can use some of that money to give to parise? lou is a pretty smart guy and knows what he is doing, he wouldnt make that trade if he knew that it would mean the devils couldnt afford parise and to sign others that are needed in the offseason, and i am sure he knows exactly what he can and cant do financially

if there is such a budget then dont you think lou would have said keep it how it is so we can use some of that money to give to parise? lou is a pretty smart guy and knows what he is doing, he wouldnt make that trade if he knew that it would mean the devils couldnt afford parise and to sign others that are needed in the offseason, and i am sure he knows exactly what he can and cant do financially
- dmarsden2988

Parise should only get a max of 1 mill added to his current cap hit. We really do not have a great need for lots of cap space this offseason.

What in my last post mentioned his play? We were talking about budget. Which is a concept you cannot seem to grasp. We are adding salary. I don't think Lou would have added this contract at the expense of Parise. He has never done anything of the sort.

And yeah we have a bunch of UFAs. Please go through the players that are integral parts of our team and will command a huge pay raise after this season.
- rmdevil313

Parise... $7.0-$8.0
Salvador's gone, we'll need to replace him with a FA top 4-6 D man... $2.5-$3.0
Fayne will get a decent pay raise, he's been a stalwart on D all year... $2.2-$2.5
Ponikarovsky has outplayed his contract in my opinion... $1.75-$2.0
Carter and Sykora, either resign or replace, but both showed they can play in NHL... $0.65-$1.0
Tallinder may never be the same (blood clots are life threatening) might need to sign a stand-in

Parise... $7.0-$8.0
Salvador's gone, we'll need to replace him with a FA top 4-6 D man... $2.5-$3.0
Fayne will get a decent pay raise, he's been a stalwart on D all year... $2.2-$2.5
Ponikarovsky has outplayed his contract in my opinion... $1.75-$2.0
Carter and Sykora, either resign or replace, but both showed they can play in NHL... $0.65-$1.0
Tallinder may never be the same (blood clots are life threatening) might need to sign a stand-in
- TheJerseyDevil1

if he wants more than 7 he can walk right out the door, id even help him, 7 is the absolute max id give him

if he wants more than 7 he can walk right out the door, id even help him, 7 is the absolute max id give him
- dmarsden2988

I think hes comparable to Eric Staal, he makes $8.25 a year

I think hes comparable to Eric Staal, he makes $8.25 a year
- TheJerseyDevil1

yeah and staal's contract is overvalued, great player (over 100pts before) but not 8.25

and parise really isnt a game breaker, he has to work hard for his chances, he cant just take a shot and make things happen, his shot is pretty average, whereas staal has other weapons and is a center

i doubt parise will get more than 7 from the devils, no more than 7.5 on open market

yeah and staal's contract is overvalued, great player (over 100pts before) but not 8.25

and parise really isnt a game breaker, he has to work hard for his chances, he cant just take a shot and make things happen, his shot is pretty average, whereas staal has other weapons and is a center

i doubt parise will get more than 7 from the devils, no more than 7.5 on open market
- dmarsden2988

I don't think he should get more than that, but there are a lot of GM's who would give it to him. I could see a team like the Rangers or Toronto throwing all the money in the world at him

Parise... $7.0-$8.0
Salvador's gone, we'll need to replace him with a FA top 4-6 D man... $2.5-$3.0
Fayne will get a decent pay raise, he's been a stalwart on D all year... $2.2-$2.5
Ponikarovsky has outplayed his contract in my opinion... $1.75-$2.0
Carter and Sykora, either resign or replace, but both showed they can play in NHL... $0.65-$1.0
Tallinder may never be the same (blood clots are life threatening) might need to sign a stand-in
- TheJerseyDevil1

Of all those players, Parise is the only one that is integral. Of all those players, Parise is the only UFA that deserves a raise or cannot be replaces by someone with equal $$$ value. You fail at comprehension.


Fayne is an RFA. Lou has the leverage, not to mention we won't lose him for nothing.

In the case of Salvador, Sykora, Carter, you fail to understand the term raise. Which one of these guys deserve a raise? Sykora? The guy is old, no other team will want him and if they do he's replaceable. Elias carries him. Salvador has played superb this season but at his age, we shouldn't be giving him a raise. Carter? Maybe give him 100k more.

Poni doesn't deserve a raise based off a good 20 games with NJ. Looking at his recent play, we shouldn't give him a raise unless we want to risk seeing the former, 20 point ponikarovsky playing on our fourth line making 2 million. If he wants more than 1.75 let him walk. He's replaceable.

If that's the case with Tallinder, either LTIR or retirement. Either way, doesn't affect the cap. We also have great prospect depth at D. Urbom and Merrill are close, Gelinas had a great year in the AHL. We also have a player like Larsson who will take more and more responsibility each year.

Not to mention if Parise wants a cent over 7 million a year he can go chase the money elsewhere. Worked out for former Devils.

I don't think he should get more than that, but there are a lot of GM's who would give it to him. I could see a team like the Rangers or Toronto throwing all the money in the world at him
- TheJerseyDevil1

That's great. Just because a player wants money and can get it elsewhere doesn't mean we should give it to him. If we lose him for this reason it will be totally unrelated to the Zidlicky trade or our budget.

I think hes comparable to Eric Staal, he makes $8.25 a year
- TheJerseyDevil1

Maybe we should use Rolston's contract as a standard for Sykora's next year.

That's great. Just because a player wants money and can get it elsewhere doesn't mean we should give it to him. If we lose him for this reason it will be totally unrelated to the Zidlicky trade or our budget.
- rmdevil313

So basically your whole argument is that we should let every UFA on our team walk. Good strategy. You can do that, but you're going to have to put someone on the ice. If you're looking for players that will accept less than Sykora and Carter, that'll be an interesting team. Watch out for the Devils next year. Washed up scrubs like Brian Rolston sound like they'd fit that team great

I think hes comparable to Eric Staal, he makes $8.25 a year
- TheJerseyDevil1

Eric Staal's contract would never have been signed if GM's at the time understood how much players should be making in the salary cap era. You've seen cap hits come way down as the cap era has gone on. Before the cap tons of guys were making 10+ million per year and if you look at that, it makes sense that a guy would only go down to 7-9million per season. Probably is that in the new NHL you find that you're not going to win with a team when you have 3-4 guys eating up 40% of your cap.

So basically your whole argument is that we should let every UFA on our team walk. Good strategy. You can do that, but you're going to have to put someone on the ice. If you're looking for players that will accept less than Sykora and Carter, that'll be an interesting team. Watch out for the Devils next year. Washed up scrubs like Brian Rolston sound like they'd fit that team great
- TheJerseyDevil1

Your like talking to a wall. I am not sure if I have to post the dictionary definition of a raise, but you can't seem to grasp that I am not saying we shouldn't resign Sykora or Carter or try to find someone cheaper, just they do not deserve a raise. Getting a contract of the same amount would literally have no effect on their budget or cap from this year to next. And yes, I think we can find a couple of fourth liners for under a mill.

If you don't remember the gomez situation, many fans were disappointed we didn't offer Gomez enough. At the time he was considered integral to the team, maybe not at parise's level but a key player nonetheless. The rangers overpaid, and we got Zubrus, who wasn't much of a consolation prize at all. Now, Zubrus is a key performer on our team while Gomez is one bad season from being in the AHL. Overpaying is not the way.

You obviously did not understand my Rolston comparison, but that doesn't surprise me. Apparently Parise is worth a top 5 most expensive contract in your eyes.

I ask you again, who is an INTEGRAL player (UFA) who also needs a RAISE. Parise? Ok, he gets 1 million more. Anyone else? Nope. None of Salvador, Carter, Sykora, Bernier, Janssen, Poni deserve a raise. All these players can be replaced by free agents that make what they make now. Therefore, the Zidlicky contract really should't have too much effect on our cap moving forward. Maybe it effects how we spend on the UFA market, but that can be such a trap I'm fine with that.