Someone yesterday told me Schenn was still a prospect
- jbold

How old is schenn 22, 23? And it usually takes d-men longer to develop
Way to throw him under the bus already

I'm going to say that the refs used discretion in that scrum last night because of the fact scrivens was shakey handling the puck all night and the refs were allowing the Sabres to take extra shots at him after the whistle even when he had it covered.

Its April and in April it means playoff hockey which means more things are let go. As a fan you just have to suck it up and let it go. Not like it caused the Leafs to miss the playoffs or anything.
- Leafsfan9329

No, you must blow the play dead every time you lose sight of the puck!

Faceoffs are way more exciting then scrums in front of the net!

How old is schenn 22, 23? And it usually takes d-men longer to develop
Way to throw him under the bus already
- msillen

Prock says that a prospect is over the hill when he turns 24

How old is schenn 22, 23? And it usually takes d-men longer to develop
Way to throw him under the bus already
- msillen

He's played 4 NHL seasons.



I don't care how young he is, if he's played 4 NHL seasons, he is no longer a prospect.

He's not even a rookie anymore. He's a young NHL defenseman.

Prock says that a prospect is over the hill when he turns 24
- Oilhab

Also, Grabovski is on the downside of his career.

He's played 4 NHL seasons.



I don't care how young he is, if he's played 4 NHL seasons, he is no longer a prospect.

He's not even a rookie anymore. He's a young NHL defenseman.
- jbold

are you disagreeing with the source of your source, Huddle?

Nope, won't retract it, like as it is up to the refs discration as to when the puck is out of sight, just like every rule in the book.

It's not an instantanous reaction, if it was, too many plays would be called dead way to quick and there will never be a sramble in front of the net. a ref will "lose" sight of the puck all the time and multiple different reasons, but if he is able to pick it up again, or a glimpse of it again before he can decide to blow the whistle then play goes on.

try refing a game, and blow your whistle every time you can't see the puck, not just infront of the net but every single time you lose it and do it instantanously, along the boards, when there are too many players in front of you, when the puck is flipped too high in the air, just blow it down and see how long you last.
- Oilhab

It's just irritating when refs say things like "No goal because I MEANT to blow the whistle".

It's just irritating when refs say things like "No goal because I MEANT to blow the whistle".
- markmark

Sometimes the whistle isn't loud enough.

It can be frustrating, I just find it to be lamest excuse losing teams can make is blaming the refs.

The ONLY thing I like about Lombardi is that his speed can often create a bit of scramble on the opposing teams defensive end.

Unfortunately, he, nor his linemates can do anything with that opportunity.
- markmark

He has been playing better as the season goes along.

I gotta say... Frattin has proved me wrong over these last two games playing with some talent.
Hopefully he keeps it up. Another reason why guys like MacArt, Connolly should be gone next year.

I was thinking this morning does anyone think N. Backstrom (goalie) may be available next year? Maybe a trade like Komi or Connolly + something else for him could work?

He has been playing better as the season goes along.

I gotta say... Frattin has proved me wrong over these last two gamesplaying with some talent.
Hopefully he keeps it up. Another reason why guys like MacArt, Connolly should be gone next year.

I was thinking this morning does anyone think N. Backstrom (goalie) may be available next year? Maybe a trade like Komi or Connolly + something else for him could work?
- HipHopisDead

it used to take 20 games before leaf fans would say that

it used to take 20 games before leaf fans would say that
- Oilhab

it used to take 20 games before leaf fans would say that
- Oilhab

It did take 20 games however at the end of the 20 games they were saying Frattin sucked and should be sent down to the Marlies, Even though he was still playing a good style of hockey and getting decent scoring chances.

the ref was in the crease the whole time, he knew where it was the whole time. never lost sight of it.
- LizzyJo

I have heard of homerism before, but you are achieving a whole new level.

'never lost sight of it" ... LOL! He needed the Buffalo players reactions to tell him it was in the net and then he had to look for it in the net before signalling a goal.

If that goal was against Buffalo, you guys would have been losing your sh1t all over this board this morning.

Nope, won't retract it, like as it is up to the refs discration as to when the puck is out of sight, just like every rule in the book.

It's not an instantanous reaction, if it was, too many plays would be called dead way to quick and there will never be a sramble in front of the net. a ref will "lose" sight of the puck all the time and multiple different reasons, but if he is able to pick it up again, or a glimpse of it again before he can decide to blow the whistle then play goes on.

try refing a game, and blow your whistle every time you can't see the puck, not just infront of the net but every single time you lose it and do it instantanously, along the boards, when there are too many players in front of you, when the puck is flipped too high in the air, just blow it down and see how long you last.
- Oilhab

Dude, seriously, you don't think that play was F'd up?

Man the ONLY explanation for agreeing that the call (non-whistle) was OK, is that you are a Buffalo fan or a Leafs hater.

I have never seen a play even remotely similar to that and you can't tell me the ref could see the puck when he was still looking at the scrum after the puck was in the net.

He has been playing better as the season goes along.

I gotta say... Frattin has proved me wrong over these last two games playing with some talent.
Hopefully he keeps it up. Another reason why guys like MacArt, Connolly should be gone next year.

I was thinking this morning does anyone think N. Backstrom (goalie) may be available next year? Maybe a trade like Komi or Connolly + something else for him could work?
- HipHopisDead

Connolly has less than zero value to ANY team. NOBODY will want him. You have to give stuff away to get someone to take him.

I dunno if he has a NMC, but he should be buried in the minors, period.

Dude, seriously, you don't think that play was F'd up?

Man the ONLY explanation for agreeing that the call (non-whistle) was OK, is that you are a Buffalo fan or a Leafs hater.

I have never seen a play even remotely similar to that and you can't tell me the ref could see the puck when he was still looking at the scrum after the puck was in the net.
- GoneFullRetard

It's over.

Let it go.

Sometimes the whistle isn't loud enough.

It can be frustrating, I just find it to be lamest excuse losing teams can make is blaming the refs.
- Oilhab

The whistle was intentionally not blown. It was the worst (and there have been some bad ones) refereeing I have seen all year, probably ever.

I agree that blaming the refs for losing is the lamest excuse. I think most Leafs fans here agree that we were well-deserving of a loss, regardless.

The point is, it was a bullsh1t call, given to the home team fighting life and death for a playoff spot.

Most of us WANTED the Leafs to lose. That does not mean we enjoy crap like that on the ice.

It's over.

Let it go.
- Pecafan Fan

I laughed it off last night and made my one opinion post this morning.

What I am responding to now is a ridiculous opinion presented by 1) a trolling sabres fan and 2) a trolling Habs fan.

I am going to pinch oilhab's nipple in retaliation, and I don't mean in a nice "tweak-it-for-me-baby" kinda way, I mean in a "Let me give you a piercing with this dull awl." kind of way.

He's played 4 NHL seasons.



I don't care how young he is, if he's played 4 NHL seasons, he is no longer a prospect.

He's not even a rookie anymore. He's a young NHL defenseman.
- jbold

And he is not progressing. This was his worst season.

Only grossly-homer-inflated # of hits stats (meaningless anyway) are providing an arguement that he is even an NHL caliber defenseman at this point.

I can't think of a team where he would deserve to be more than a 5-6 D-man.

Not trying to be negative, it's no secret how and why the Leafs acquired these players and that each of them are problem areas that need be be addressed in the off-season. In all cases, the contract/salary cap hit simply does not equal the expected performance levels on and off the ice.

It sucks, but it's the truth!... Is it not?
- As_I_See_It

The truth is not good around these parts.

Sometimes the whistle isn't loud enough.

It can be frustrating, I just find it to be lamest excuse losing teams can make is blaming the refs.
- Oilhab

lame but it happens. Teams lose games all the time because of bad officiating. Sometimes its one crucial blown call and you can see the momentum change.

And he is not progressing. This was his worst season.

Only grossly-homer-inflated # of hits stats (meaningless anyway) are providing an arguement that he is even an NHL caliber defenseman at this point.

I can't think of a team where he would deserve to be more than a 5-6 D-man.
- GoneFullRetard

I'd say he was worst his sophomore season but yeah. I think he needs to drop a few pounds. But the guy is mean which is the important thing. You can't teach that he can still become a better defencemen and has been a better one.

The whistle was intentionally not blown. It was the worst (and there have been some bad ones) refereeing I have seen all year, probably ever.

I agree that blaming the refs for losing is the lamest excuse. I think most Leafs fans here agree that we were well-deserving of a loss, regardless.

The point is, it was a bullsh1t call, given to the home team fighting life and death for a playoff spot.

Most of us WANTED the Leafs to lose. That does not mean we enjoy crap like that on the ice.
- GoneFullRetard

- Oilhab

That's the reverse "intention to blow the whistle" call.

Connolly has less than zero value to ANY team. NOBODY will want him. You have to give stuff away to get someone to take him.

I dunno if he has a NMC, but he should be buried in the minors, period.
- GoneFullRetard

Agreed. If Burke has realized some of the error of his ways, and he's truly serious about improving the team... five "simple" steps

1) clean house and clear CAP Space
find someone to take Komisarek, bury Connolly, bury Lombardi and tell Armstrong to get in shape or ship out.
2) find reasonable middle of the road goaltender who's consistent - not spectacular. (Harding(MIN),Mason(WPG) or some possible RFA tender
3) there has been much talk about prospects - much noise about their potential and their shortcomings.... they need a chance to play - without creating excuses and roster blocks such as Connolly, Dupius, Lombardi - but primarily little chance for them to play and get consistent minutes. Its time to give Kadri, Frattin, Colborne, Holzer a real opportunity.
4) Move middle of the road players who may have some value: MacArthur, Gunnarsson, Liles, Crabb, Steckel for whatever you can get for them... as they will never be difference makers for this club. Liles has been surpassed by "untouchable" Jake Gardiner. Gunnarson's skill set is not unique - his biggest benefit is that he comes cheap - leverage that. MacArthur will never have more value - none of these guys are bad guys... but their contributions can be replaced for less money - generally with younger players.
5) no more signing soft or dumb free agents - for every really positive trade BB has made, he's made two really dumb signings. Komisarek - Fail and overpriced. Beauchemin - tried hard, just didn't fit. Fail and good recovery. Lebda- beyond Fail and lucky recovery. Connelly - the man is like a wet latex glove, hard to pull off, leaves a sticky feeling and should just be discarded. Lombardi wasn't really a FA - but other than skating fast occasionally, what has he contributed - I'm picking him to the be the Boyd Deveraux and hose the Leafs out of a higher pick. Dupuis - I mean seriously Stajan had more grit than this guy... sometime after being drafted he simply forgot how to play hockey. What possessed BB to sign this guy I will never understand.

Do at least some of these things BB and you demonstrate that you understand to the fan base. Don't apologize or pontificate. Act.

And don't trade the draft pick unless its for Getzlaf or Staal.