It's over Burn. Drafting goalies in the first round isn't a bad choice like you originally said.
- jbold

Are you allergic to the truth? You decided that you'd ignore the list provided by senstroll because it goes against your stance.

Why didnt you answer my question?

Who seen this? Lance Brown is gutless! lol





http://ca.sports.yahoo.co...-not-gonna-222643817.html
- t_leafs21

Why does that make him gutless?

Are you Burns boyfriend or something?
- jbold

nope, just somehow irritated by the childish antics.

if a 1 out of 3.6 success rate (on the generous end) is enough to support your dead end theory.. cool.

Have you ever read a book called Good to Great?
- Unholy_Goalie

Nope...but me thinks it might be worth a read.

What's everyone even fighting about?

nope, just somehow irritated by the childish antics.

if a 1 out of 3.6 success rate (on the generous end) is enough to support your dead end theory.. cool.
- joel878

Compare that 28% success rate against any other round in the draft and you will quickly see why it makes sense. If success is 28% in the 1st round, you can bet your last dollar it's 2.8% in the 7th round.

Are you allergic to the truth? You decided that you'd ignore the list provided by senstroll because it goes against your stance.

Why didnt you answer my question?
- burn

Argument was over last page man.

actually, historically it hasn't been in favour of success.

and your childish repeat the same thing over and over while ignoring the facts thing doesn't change anything. just saying.
- joel878

Funny how only one guy still continues in the face of the facts against him.

Well.....I guess I'm man pretty But I'm kinda glad Symba doesn't have that affection for me...he worries me sometimes.
- Juice

that's not what you said the other da...oh right! 'sup Juice

nope, just somehow irritated by the childish antics.


- joel878

Then maybe you should learn how to ignore certain things.

Burke lacks focus. He responds to Cherry, holds press conferences when he waives a Colton Orr type player, he calls the bosses of media members. Who else does that poop?

Maybe it doesn't affect his ability to do his job but grow up and focus on your job -- end of story!!!
- Domidives

If I was an NHL GM...the way he spits his mouth off would certainly effect whether I want to deal with him or maybe Lou in NJ...you deal with Lou and you know it stays between the two of you...you deal with Burke and if anything goes wrong; you know somehow it will get mentioned in the media...maybe not all the details but he will find a way to take a stab.

Are you allergic to the truth? You decided that you'd ignore the list provided by senstroll because it goes against your stance.

Why didnt you answer my question?
- burn

honestly, this is a moot conversation...

if there is a goalie who your scouts rate as top notch, you grab him early. If not, you grab him later. End of conversation, you grab the best 30 players you see fit in the first round.

Next?

No idea, but I couldnt stop laughing at how he just dove into the bench.
- jbold

Such a bad idea. Its probably good that his skull is probably thick enough to recieve the repeated blows to the face he was undoubtedly taking while upside down full of opposing players.

No idea, but I couldnt stop laughing at how he just dove into the bench.
- jbold

Then got pummeled.

Why does that make him gutless?
- Juice

I already re-tracted my gutless statement as too strong of a word. Just ballsy to go out and put the players right on the spot like that knowing theres nothing they can really do about it.

that's not what you said the other da...oh right! 'sup Juice
- Symba007

YOU KNEW WHAT THAT WAS!!!

You clingy women are all the same.

Argument was over last page man.
- jbold

Is that when you surrendered?

Compare that 28% success rate against any other round in the draft and you will quickly see why it makes sense. If success is 28% in the 1st round, you can bet your last dollar it's 2.8% in the 7th round.
- Unholy_Goalie

The likelihood of a Cam Ward or JSG drops off for sure as the round go on.

the leafs can not afford to use a pick in the #1-8 range on a goalie. but somewhere in the 15-30 range absolutely, if they can pick up another pick and grab one of the top rated goalies they should

Such a bad idea. Its probably good that his skull is probably thick enough to recieve the repeated blows to the face he was undoubtedly taking while upside down full of opposing players.
- markmark

Yeah. Literally got gang beat on a hockey bench

Is that when you surrendered?
- burn

No, it was when you changed your opinion, by stating Fleury and Ward were good choices.

Let it gooo.

I already re-tracted my gutless statement as too strong of a word. Just ballsy to go out and put the players right on the spot like that knowing theres nothing they can really do about it.
- t_leafs21

Sorry brah, didn't see it.

I kinda like it...the Leafs have gotten off VERY easy considering how HUGE the collapse was/is.

Dion needs to step up his game, everyone knew back when he was named Captain that it was a risky choice and it's clear now that he's not cut out for it at this point.

He doesn't lead on the ice and he's a terrible interview...sorry, but that's part of being captain, you own up to stuff and you take responsibility for it...you don't say "you lose as a team" even if it's true...he should be saying "as captain of this team, especially an original 6 team, it's my job to lead by example on the ice and get the guys to step it up and I haven't done that. I take full responsibility as captain of this team".

The likelihood of a Cam Ward or JSG drops off for sure as the round go on.

the leafs can not afford to use a pick in the #1-8 range on a goalie. but somewhere in the 15-30 range absolutely, if they can pick up another pick and grab one of the top rated goalies they should
- senstroll

Exactly why trading MacArthur and Grabovski is something they should have done at the deadline. Three first round picks. One in the top ten, one in the 11th to 20th range and one in the 21st to 30th range. Perfect.

Twenty-six goalies were selected in the first 30 picks in the 10 drafts I considered, a little under three per season. Of that group, 10 went in the first 10 picks of the draft. Here’s the list:





For a goalie pick to be considered a success, he had to be a starting goalie. For the sake of fairness, all the guys who have yet to lock down a starting job but have a decent shot at doing so (Dubnyk, Rask and Schneider) were counted as starters. My reasoning on what a successful goalie is couldn’t be more simple: each year, the market is flooded with a high quantity of cheap and capable backups. Martin Biron is playing in New York for less than $900,000 per season, Jean-Sebastien Giguere is in Colorado for $1.25 million, and so on. Since teams can add these guys for minimal dollars and spend no draft picks or development time on them, a goalie drafted in the first round who five years down the road turns into a serviceable backup goalie is considered a failed draft pick.

Five goalies were taken with top-five picks, and outside of Rick DiPietro (injuries being a significant factor there, though in four full seasons as a starter he really only had one good year and one serviceable year) all of them turned into capable starting goalies. Five others were taken in the top-10; they range from outright busts (Finley, Krahn) to more debatable busts, but none of them were worth a top-10 selection.

In the end, 18 of the 26 goalies selected ended up providing minimal value in exchange for the high draft pick and years of development their respective teams spent on them. Looking at the selections, I remain convinced that spending high picks on goalie prospects is generally a mistake.

Dion needs to step up his game, everyone knew back when he was named Captain that it was a risky choice and it's clear now that he's not cut out for it at this point.
- Juice

Another one I saw coming...

No, it was when you changed your opinion, by stating Fleury and Ward were good choices.

Let it gooo.
- jbold

Nope.