Grabovski and Lupul having career years be it last year or this year doesn't mean that when they are 32 they are going to be effective in winning. If you were talking about a 32 year old Spezza or Thornton or any other legit player, it would be a different story. But Lupul and Grabovski aren't those types of players. They are 2nd liners who have overachieved when given more ice time and reached their peak. Guys like that you trade away when they're worth the most.

At the end of the day, you think the Oilers are going to have problems with Hall, Eberle, RNH and whomever they take this year? Probably not.
- Unholy_Goalie

there was a time when you crapped on me in detail for wanting to trade grabovski.. not that you're the biggest hypocrite that ever lived or anything. just saying

edmonton also keeps a lot of guys like horcoff, hemsky, ryan smith, ryan whitney.. and even trades guys like tom gilbert for deals not including picks and prospects. wouldn't exactly say any of them are spezzas or thorntons either.

Exactly. Boy, that was an easy argument.
- jbold

Take a look at the long list of 1st rounders and get back to me. You've proven nothing.

by try harder, I mean, do not repeat previous mistakes. If an option comes up that requires you to "roll the dice"...you pass. This team/club/org cant afford to take any more gambles...
- noename09

And by repeating the same mistakes I mean the UFA market is usually a bad one to go into because it doesn't yield the desired results.

If the Leafs land a lottery pick, what if they dealt it (+) to a team with two later 1st's, i.e. Washington or Buffalo?

Use the earlier of the 1st's to draft a prospect (15th -20th) and the include the second 1st (later) in a package for Schneider OR draft Vasilevski

Hey Juice, yeah, just part time for a bit. How ya doing?
- LeafMan

Good man, can't complain.

Little one doing ok?

But he's really 21.
- jbold

Probably the best I've seen yet.

Take a look at the long list of 1st rounders and get back to me. You've proven nothing.
- burn

Ward and Fleury were bad choices, got it


I should put together a long list of 1st rounders who aren't goaltenders, and see how many were busts.

If the Leafs land a lottery pick, what if they dealt it (+) to a team with two later 1st's, i.e. Washington or Buffalo?

Use the earlier of the 1st's to draft a prospect (15th -20th) and the include the second 1st (later) in a package for Schneider OR draft Vasilevski
- As_I_See_It

i don't like it.

alot of our best youth was drafted in the 15th-20th range.. this team is lacking more top end talent.

You can't build a house without a strong foundation. It doesn't matter how much patch work you try and do, if your footings and foundation walls are crumbling, you have to go back and do it again. You can spend time and money trying to avoid it but it's an inevitability.

The Leafs, once again, have a solid opportunity to do things right. They have some players that they could sell for picks and prospects and they can tank it again next year. Do they want to cut the corner again or do it right?
- Unholy_Goalie

You know this route will 100% not happen intentionally right?

Burke will make moves that he "believes puts this team into contention for a playoff spot" and they will fail again falling somewhere in the middle.

Heck, I'd be surprised if Burke even hangs on to this 1st round lick.

Mike Augello: Grabovski Likely Out Vs. Sabres
- mikeinbuffalo

Poor Colbourne. He must be pretty bummed out getting sent down to the leafs

He's back!
- Juice

I don't wanna stir up anything here but earlier today Symba said you weren't pretty.

Just sayin.

(Whispers *Ban him*)

No some Montreal scout wrote a piece saying how he never scores when needed (12 GWG's not enough I guess) and how he only plays well against weak opponents and gets 80% of his points against them (Rather arbitrary number to put and not give any empirical evidence), he's lazy and has problems with the coach (That's why Roy invites him to his house all the time and he's always on the first line playing the most minutes). He's a rookie in NA playing on a new ice surface and in a new culture, the fact that he's kicked ass just shows what he's made of. I don't think any team will be sad to draft him, and that drunk scout saying he wouldn't pick him in the first should go apply for a new job.
- AdamFrench

Maybe that's what I read ..

Was it quoted by TSN? I swear I read it there.

Good man, can't complain.

Little one doing ok?
- Juice

Good to hear, the little one is great and most of all, happy, all that matters to me, haha.

there was a time when you crapped on me in detail for wanting to trade grabovski.. not that you're the biggest hypocrite that ever lived or anything. just saying
- joel878

This made no sense. But carry on.

edmonton also keeps a lot of guys like horcoff, hemsky, ryan smith, ryan whitney.. and even trades guys like tom gilbert for deals not including picks and prospects. wouldn't exactly say any of them are spezzas or thorntons either.

They traded Ryan Smith and kicked off their rebuild. They brought him back for next to nothing. They sold him when he was worth the most and brought him back when he was worth the least. That's called buying low and selling high.

As for Horcoff and Hemsky, those guys are as good as gone as soon as their value is good enough to do so. Hemsky was on the block for a year and if they got a decent enough package for him, he would have been gone at the deadline.

Bottom line here is that the Leafs are trying to make their core around Grabovski and Lupul when they should be selling guys like that and replacing them with younger, better draft picks and prospects.

Ward and Fleury were bad choices, got it


I should put together a long list of 1st rounders who aren't goaltenders, and see how many were busts.
- jbold

fleury was drafted first overall. not to many goalies drafted first overall, and the leafs won't be drafting a goalie first overall. kind've irrelevant to the point you're trying to make.

Trade down with Washington for their two 1sts and take Faksa and Gaunce instead?
- Unholy_Goalie

yeah cmon everyone did you forget UG knows all?

If the Leafs land a lottery pick, what if they dealt it (+) to a team with two later 1st's, i.e. Washington or Buffalo?

Use the earlier of the 1st's to draft a prospect (15th -20th) and the include the second 1st (later) in a package for Schneider OR draft Vasilevski
- As_I_See_It

I already said last week they trade that pick and get Gaunce and Vasilevski.

fleury was drafted first overall. not to many goalies drafted first overall, and the leafs won't be drafting a goalie first overall. kind've irrelevant to the point you're trying to make.
- joel878

Nope.


Fact is, he was taken in the first round. According to Burn, it was a bad choice

You know this route will 100% not happen intentionally right?

Burke will make moves that he "believes puts this team into contention for a playoff spot" and they will fail again falling somewhere in the middle.

Heck, I'd be surprised if Burke even hangs on to this 1st round lick.
- Juice

For three years now I've heard that song and seen that dance and it doesn't stop them from bombing. 29th, 22nd and now sitting in 26th. All they have to do is go with Reimer and Scrivens. If he sold Reimer and Gustavsson last year, he can sell Reimer and Scrivens next year.

But I know his ass is on the line now. I know he's dying to make 8th place. I know he's going to do something stupid to make it happen. My point is that the opportunity is there. The opportunity to tank it again, watch him get fired and watch this team do things right for a change. Just hope we get that lucky.

I don't wanna stir up anything here but earlier today Symba said you weren't pretty.

Just sayin.

(Whispers *Ban him*)
- wolfos412

He's just stating what all of us already know.

Thought i'd bump this, just to remind everyone.


According to Burn, Brodeur wasn't taken in the first round, and drafting Ward and Fleury in the first round was a bad choice.

- jbold

Good goalies drafted in the 2nd round proves that drafting in the 1st is a good idea.

Maybe that's what I read ..

Was it quoted by TSN? I swear I read it there.
- The Law

Ya that was a few months ago. I like to think of it like the "Tavares can't skate pick Duchene." Now who's laughing?

This made no sense. But carry on.



They traded Ryan Smith and kicked off their rebuild. They brought him back for next to nothing. They sold him when he was worth the most and brought him back when he was worth the least. That's called buying low and selling high.

As for Horcoff and Hemsky, those guys are as good as gone as soon as their value is good enough to do so. Hemsky was on the block for a year and if they got a decent enough package for him, he would have been gone at the deadline.

Bottom line here is that the Leafs are trying to make their core around Grabovski and Lupul when they should be selling guys like that and replacing them with younger, better draft picks and prospects.
- Unholy_Goalie

the UG quote of the day has been brought to you by big D.

I don't wanna stir up anything here but earlier today Symba said you weren't pretty.

Just sayin.

(Whispers *Ban him*)
- wolfos412

Well.....I guess I'm man pretty But I'm kinda glad Symba doesn't have that affection for me...he worries me sometimes.

Good goalies drafted in the 2nd round proves that drafting in the 1st is a good idea.
- burn

Ward and Fleury, bad choice taking them in the first round?

Simple yes or no.