Kiprusoff? It would cost you more than you could conceive in your worst nightmares.

If the Flames decide to blow it up and trade Iginla and Kiprusoff, I see Iginla in Pittsburgh and Kiprusoff in Washington. And it's because they are the kinds of teams that those guys want to go to as well as the types of teams that can afford to give up multiple picks and prospects to acquire them.
- Unholy_Goalie

this teams needs a legit goalie more than a centerman. Whatever you conceivably see available to land a first line centerman, should be used for a goalie. We work at getting a centerman down the road. I could live with Bozak for another 2 years if it means getting an actual goalie.

GAA - we average around 26th league wide
G - we average around top 10 league wide

Sure a better defensive system will help, and as our young blue line matures and works with Carlyle they should improve, but we need to improve the goalie situation and fast.

Wonder if Minny would be open to trading Backstrom.
- jbold

Don't count on it. They would be crazy to do that. One of the most underrated goalies out there.

Plus with everything those two have done for Calgary they'll be sent to a favorable destination.....Toronto is not that.
- stormeyAlterEgo

Exactly. Both have a full NMC so they decide when and where they go. Toronto isn't it. Thankfully.

The over-rated Bernier is another goalie who was picked in the first round.

So, Bernier

Price
Rask
Schneider
Fleury
Lehtonen
Ward
Luongo



But hey, who needs a goalie prospect touted to be a starter, when you can draft another Nazem Kadri

Top 5 or 10, in this draft, no, doesn't make sense. Late in the 1st round? Yes, makes sense.



Several goaltenders disagree including Rask, Price, Ward, Fleury and Luongo. That's five just off the top of my head. Pretty sure Brodeur was one too.
- Unholy_Goalie

Nope, and nor was lundqvist, kipper, rinne, miller

At least a top-six roster player, a top prospect and a 1st. At least.
- Unholy_Goalie

Too much.

The Leafs pass.

Moving on....

Don't count on it. They would be crazy to do that. One of the most underrated goalies out there.
- Unholy_Goalie

Also has a 6m cap hit, is 32 years old, and will be a UFA after next season.

Khabby for a second
- Oilhab

....probably ....

Seriously, who is really out there. UFA's ....weak and doubtful anyone decent would choose to sign here. Trade for a legit veteran star like Kipper or maybe Thomas ...fat chance and the price wouldn't make any sense. Trade for a younger guy on the cusp like Schneider probably makes the most sense but the price will be high and Burke would have to bend over for his good friend Gillis.

The over-rated Bernier is another goalie who was picked in the first round.

So, Bernier

Price
Rask
Schneider
Fleury
Lehtonen
Ward
Luongo
Varlamov


But hey, who needs a goalie prospect touted to be a starter, when you can draft another Nazem Kadri
- jbold

Andrei Vasilevski

Nope, and nor was lundqvist, kipper, rinne, miller
- burn

Brodeur was a 1st round pick.

this teams needs a legit goalie more than a centerman. Whatever you conceivably see available to land a first line centerman, should be used for a goalie.
- noename09

The Leafs don't need to "land" a centerman or a goalie. They need to draft them. Enough of this "trade half the team for Player X and HOPE it fixes everything" crap. The Leafs need to stop trying to trade for Great Player X and need to start finding the NEXT Great Player X. It just takes time.

Top 5 or 10, in this draft, no, doesn't make sense. Late in the 1st round? Yes, makes sense.



Several goaltenders disagree including Rask, Price, Ward, Fleury and Luongo. That's five just off the top of my head. Pretty sure Brodeur was one too.
- Unholy_Goalie

Funny how Calgary drafted Trevor Kidd well before Brodeur.

The over-rated Bernier is another goalie who was picked in the first round.

So, Bernier

Price
Rask
Schneider
Fleury
Lehtonen
Ward
Luongo



But hey, who needs a goalie prospect touted to be a starter, when you can draft another Nazem Kadri
- jbold

Shush you!

Nope, and nor was lundqvist, kipper, rinne, miller
- burn

Meaning what?

The point being made was that a lot of legit goaltenders are found in the 1st round. The point wasn't that only legit goaltenders are found in the 1st round.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The Leafs don't need to "land" a centerman or a goalie. They need to draft them. Enough of this "trade half the team for Player X and HOPE it fixes everything" crap. The Leafs need to stop trying to trade for Great Player X and need to start finding the NEXT Great Player X. It just takes time.
- Unholy_Goalie

Amen.

Luongo
Schneider
Price
Fluery
Rask
Lehtonen


And there's some good goalies who were taken in the 2nd round, too.
- jbold

Don't list the top guys not 1st rounder.


Also, that last line is gold, pure gold.

"goalies in the 1st make sense because there where some good ones taken in the 2nd round"

Funny how Calgary drafted Trevor Kidd well before Brodeur.
- Tee-Dot

Most of the time it's a crap shoot with goalies, Kidd was more highly touted then Brodeur, it happens.

The Leafs don't need to "land" a centerman or a goalie. They need to draft them. Enough of this "trade half the team for Player X and HOPE it fixes everything" crap. The Leafs need to stop trying to trade for Great Player X and need to start finding the NEXT Great Player X. It just takes time.
- Unholy_Goalie

yes, UG, I agree...however who long can you wait?

We dont arguably have either so far in the system, and we might be able to at best draft a centerman this year, who would be 3+ years away from NHL ready.

Don't list the top guys not 1st rounder.


Also, that last line is gold, pure gold.

"goalies in the 1st make sense because there where some good ones taken in the 2nd round"
- burn

You said taking goalies in the first is a bad choice.


These guys proved you wrong.

Unless you think these goalies were bad choices.

....probably ....

Seriously, who is really out there. UFA's ....weak and doubtful anyone decent would choose to sign here. Trade for a legit veteran star like Kipper or maybe Thomas ...fat chance and the price wouldn't make any sense. Trade for a younger guy on the cusp like Schneider probably makes the most sense but the price will be high and Burke would have to bend over for his good friend Gillis.
- The Law

Best course of action is for the Leafs to keep who they have. Go into next season with Reimer and Scrivens. The playoffs won't be a reality but this is another excellent opportunity to tank it and draft high. It also would get Burke fired and hopefully give Dudley control.

Dreams.

The Leafs don't need to "land" a centerman or a goalie. They need to draft them. Enough of this "trade half the team for Player X and HOPE it fixes everything" crap. The Leafs need to stop trying to trade for Great Player X and need to start finding the NEXT Great Player X. It just takes time.
- Unholy_Goalie

They need to do both ...keep the picks and draft well. But they need to land a real starter to take some of the pressure and help the young players build some confidence. Ottawa landing Anderson was huge for their development and stability. Hopefully there's somebody like that out there.

yes, UG, I agree...however who long can you wait?

We dont arguably have either so far in the system, and we might be able to at best draft a centerman this year, who would be 3+ years away from NHL ready.
- noename09

They could have draft one 2 yrs ago....Back when the rebuild should have started rather than trying to fix via trade...

Meaning what?

The point being made was that a lot of legit goaltenders are found in the 1st round. The point wasn't that only legit goaltenders are found in the 1st round.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
- Unholy_Goalie

It's also all about draft years. This one is so weak on forward they have guys like Wilson going in the first. Defencemen up the butt this draft and only two really highly touted goalies. A late first or early second will be used on one or both of Subban and Vasilevski.

yes, UG, I agree...however who long can you wait?

We dont arguably have either so far in the system, and we might be able to at best draft a centerman this year, who would be 3+ years away from NHL ready.
- noename09

How long can I wait? If it means getting the final product right, I can wait. How long can Toronto wait? 10 minutes. And they'll complain it should have been done in 5.

Look, the reality is, the Leafs have been horrid since the lockout. That's seven full seasons. If the Leafs had adopted the right mentality seven years ago, the Leafs would be where we all want them to be TODAY.

The question you and everybody else out there, including Burke, has to ask themselves is do you want things done properly or do you want them done quickly? You want to house built today so it falls down tomorrow or do you want it built tomorrow so it stands a lifetime?

Take your pick.