then you are jaded

if you are willing to throw out the entire team and say there are no positive signs since february you arent really watching with an impartial eye.

assuming all is bad is just as absurd as pretending all is well.
- Dozzer

What positives have you seen since the swoon started? I see Gardiner and the chance at a lottery pick. Anything else?

We have corroded Anaheim, Calgary and the Canes so far
- noename09

And just like the Leafs of 7 years ago, they can't see "time to dump the vets for picks/prospects and get the rebuild started" even though it's a flashing neon sign outside their hotel room keeping them up at night.

Start winning some (frank)ing games, and stay away from our # 3 pick.


- Rtt19

i think the rangers will get upset tonight

What positives have you seen since the swoon started? I see Gardiner and the chance at a lottery pick. Anything else?
- 1979AD

look at the post directly above yours

people have jaded glasses on right now (opposite of rose coloured)

you need to keep that in mind.. if you honestly think the only good piece on the team is gardiner then you arent fairly evaluating things

then you are jaded

if you are willing to throw out the entire team and say there are no positive signs since february you arent really watching with an impartial eye.

assuming all is bad is just as absurd as pretending all is well.
- Dozzer

Oh boy.....sure their have been some good plays of individuals in and there..but as for the leafs...the negative completely outweighs any small positives.
We've got some players that could be decent and could pieces of the puzzle in the future...but right now the future is so blurred with bad contracts, average to below average players, no heart, no fight, no pride, too much verbal diarrhea by Burke and management...there's no clear focus.
I'm not assuming all is bad...but all ain't good...and what is good cannot overtake all that is bad....that's what sucks.
But what can you do.

kessel is still an elite sniper.. not a core piece a he is being utlized but def an asset

phaneuf needs to simplify his game.. his skill set is there.. but he's trying to do too much

schenns game has slowly begun to turn around under carlyle

the leafs are playing a more structured system now.. they arent built very well for it.. but structure is finally beginning to show its face

the leafs may not have a franchise prospect.. but they do have tons of potential moving forward (mckegg for example)

thats just off the top of my head
- Dozzer

Prospect depth is just starting to be replenished, not elite but take a look three years ago it was completely empty, now you have in Juniors and NCAA

Greg Mckegg
Sondre Olden
Stuart Percy
Josh Leivo
David Broll
Garret Sparks
Andrew Crescenzi
Jamie Devane
Sam Carrick
Brad Ross
Tyler Biggs

Slowly getting there

[quote=noename09]The problem i have with everything you write is this.

You take all the positive thinking and overall crazyness from a bunch of random people, sum it all up and group us all into one group.

Then you just go on with negativity all the time and wait for things to go wrong so you look right. It goes both ways...
- Fakepartofme

I would love nothing more than to be on here today taking my licks for saying since last summer the team will not be making the playoffs...and there was a little part of me (forgo the penis jokes people ) that thought in January....well holy sh!t....these guys might actually make the playoffs..hot damn! But... there was a bigger part of me (inset penis jokes) that said dont get ahead of yourself....so many games left.
I would have loved to have been wrong.....I want FACKING PLAYOFF HOCKEY....for the leafs!!!!!

And 80- 90% (yes, not an exact scientific stat)...so most leaf fans on here can be summed up into that one group.

Perhaps I have been jaded.....but I've been formed by causality!

_________________________________

I thought the exact same way...and thats the part you dont seem to get. Most of us actually agree with things you say, but you constantly try to stir up the negatives and never really discuss the positives with us, and it gets tiresome.

To say 80-90% of us ALL thought nothing BUT positive thoughts about the Leafs DEFINITELY making the playoffs in Feb, is no where near the truth. Most of us here knew it wouldnt last and figured they'd fight to the last few games to squeeze in for the 7/8th spot. I too figured theyd make it....I figured they seemingly have it together and just need to play around average hockey to sneak in. However, Ive said all year long this team isnt a playoff team yet and needs to develop some more. I also said the experience would be awesome for the young group.

The thing is, I never once said this team is making it for sure and that we ARE good enough to make it hands down and if we dont its a total screw up. The team imo is still an 8th place team...there isnt a person out there who would have predicted 8pts out of what 34 in the last two months!? Common...theyre defensive problems and tending were REALLY exposed and ultimately caused the downfall. However, most would argue we saw it coming either way.

Now the positive side to this is, the team wasnt a playoff team anyways, and although the playoffs would be good for us fans, and great experience for the young team...a high draft is the best ultimatum (all things considered).




No idea why this is all bolded....btw...

- LeafMan

And just like the Leafs of 7 years ago, they can't see "time to dump the vets for picks/prospects and get the rebuild started" even though it's a flashing neon sign outside their hotel room keeping them up at night.
- 1979AD

Word

Trade deadline could have really helped. But burke did think this group had what it takes...

kessel is still an elite sniper.. not a core piece a he is being utlized but def an asset

phaneuf needs to simplify his game.. his skill set is there.. but he's trying to do too much

schenns game has slowly begun to turn around under carlyle

the leafs are playing a more structured system now.. they arent built very well for it.. but structure is finally beginning to show its face

the leafs may not have a franchise prospect.. but they do have tons of potential moving forward (mckegg for example)

thats just off the top of my head
- Dozzer

So let's break these positives down:

Kessel was brought in to be a cornerstone piece of the core, but he's nothing more than an elite scorer off the rush.

The captain with the biggest contract has the skills and tools, but isn't using them properly.

The top 5 pick d-man from 4 years ago is slowly showing he can be a useful 5/6 guy.

The Leafs are playing a more structured system now that has resulted in getting consistently embarrassed and blown out.

They don't have a franchise prospect, but a bunch of 'could be serviceable' ones (I would posit that Gardiner is still a prospect and has the potential to be a franchise player)

I'd love to feel good about those positives, but looking at the big picture, they're not really all that positive.

Phaneufs forehead.
- noename09

Calgary should substitute Phaneuf for Kipper and "head" for "skin" because if not for Kipper the Flames would be playing footsy with Columbus

Prospect depth is just starting to be replenished, not elite but take a look three years ago it was completely empty, now you have in Juniors and NCAA

Greg Mckegg
Sondre Olden
Stuart Percy
Josh Leivo
David Broll
Garret Sparks
Andrew Crescenzi
Jamie Devane
Sam Carrick
Brad Ross
Tyler Biggs

Slowly getting there
- LeafMan

Carrick looks like he's turning into a solid 2nd/3rd line character guy. Great pick in the later rounds.

What the hell, the leafs were supose to go on a 5 game winning streak!

What happened?

So let's break these positives down:

Kessel was brought in to be a cornerstone piece of the core, but he's nothing more than an elite scorer off the rush.

The captain with the biggest contract has the skills and tools, but isn't using them properly.

The top 5 pick d-man from 4 years ago is slowly showing he can be a useful 5/6 guy.

The Leafs are playing a more structured system now that has resulted in getting consistently embarrassed and blown out.

They don't have a franchise prospect, but a bunch of 'could be serviceable' ones (I would posit that Gardiner is still a prospect and has the potential to be a franchise player)

I'd love to feel good about those positives, but looking at the big picture, they're not really all that positive.
- 1979AD

Burkes 4 year revamp plan didn't work so the 5 year rebuild will start next year.

look at the post directly above yours

people have jaded glasses on right now (opposite of rose coloured)

you need to keep that in mind.. if you honestly think the only good piece on the team is gardiner then you arent fairly evaluating things
- Dozzer

Oh sure, we have a consistent 35+ goal scorer, and another top line winger (Lupul), and a 2nd line centre who would be a 2nd line centre on a contending team. I'm not saying there's no positives. I'm just saying there's a hell of a lot more reason to be negative. Look at all the things we had to be positive about in recent years and how they're turning out.

Schenn
Kadri
Colborne
Reimer
Monster
Kulemin
Aulie

These were all pieces Leaf fans were excited about and each and every one of them has greatly disappointed this year.

Carrick looks like he's turning into a solid 2nd/3rd line character guy. Great pick in the later rounds.

- p_zub

Ross and Carrick are pesky buggers, Carrick is praised by Butler for his leadership, character and compete level, that's why he is captain of the Battalion, also has found his offensive game this year, all round type player.

So let's break these positives down:

Kessel was brought in to be a cornerstone piece of the core, but he's nothing more than an elite scorer off the rush.

The captain with the biggest contract has the skills and tools, but isn't using them properly.

The top 5 pick d-man from 4 years ago is slowly showing he can be a useful 5/6 guy.

The Leafs are playing a more structured system now that has resulted in getting consistently embarrassed and blown out.

They don't have a franchise prospect, but a bunch of 'could be serviceable' ones (I would posit that Gardiner is still a prospect and has the potential to be a franchise player)

I'd love to feel good about those positives, but looking at the big picture, they're not really all that positive.
- 1979AD

I dont get how people can sugar coat things for Dion..."he needs to simplify, he needs to grow into his game, he will improve improve as the team improves.."

He's and 8 year vet.

He is what he is, he's the worst captain I could possible think of out of almost every player in the NHL, goes to show again, Burkes judgement of player skills and attributes.

Burkes 4 year revamp plan didn't work so the 5 year rebuild will start next year.
- HuileHab

The rebuild starts with what should have been the Habs #3 pick. The last game of the season should definitely be interesting.

kessel is still an elite sniper.. not a core piece a he is being utlized but def an asset

phaneuf needs to simplify his game.. his skill set is there.. but he's trying to do too much

schenns game has slowly begun to turn around under carlyle

the leafs are playing a more structured system now.. they arent built very well for it.. but structure is finally beginning to show its face

the leafs may not have a franchise prospect.. but they do have tons of potential moving forward (mckegg for example)

thats just off the top of my head
- Dozzer

I still think Dion has been playing injured since December...possibly his hip

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Loonies/toonies and Candy..


WTF brinks hauling candy???

I dont get how people can sugar coat things for Dion..."he needs to simplify, he needs to grow into his game, he will improve improve as the team improves.."

He's and 8 year vet.

He is what he is, he's the worst captain I could possible think of out of almost every player in the NHL, goes to show again, Burkes judgement of player skills and attributes.
- robin_steele264

I'd love to have him on my team in the second pairing at $3.5-$4 mill against the cap with maybe an A on his jersey. He's not going to suddenly become, after 8 years, anything more than that.

I still think Dion has been playing injured since December...possibly his hip
- JIMI-JAMES

Someone said last night it was a issue with the neck bolt...

Don't know why or how you could trade for a UFA Parise (trading a lottery pick for negotiating rights would be ridiculous). Also, that #1 goalie better be a guy like Rinne, or what's the point? I'd rather roll with the goalies we have to get Nate McKinnon in the following draft, and worry about filling that hole after we have the two lottery picks locked up for relatively cheap until they're 27.
- 1979AD

I guess the point I was making is we should keep the pick

The rebuild starts with what should have been the Habs #3 pick. The last game of the season should definitely be interesting.
- 1979AD

The habs are fine with the 2nd, Imagine what the 2nd - 5th round picks must be thinking right now.

So I am supose to be the savior of either the Habs or Leafs? (frank) is it to late to go back to school and get an education?

Oh boy.....sure their have been some good plays of individuals in and there..but as for the leafs...the negative completely outweighs any small positives.
We've got some players that could be decent and could pieces of the puzzle in the future...but right now the future is so blurred with bad contracts, average to below average players, no heart, no fight, no pride, too much verbal diarrhea by Burke and management...there's no clear focus.
I'm not assuming all is bad...but all ain't good...and what is good cannot overtake all that is bad....that's what sucks.
But what can you do.
- Fakepartofme

ok obviously the bad outweigh the good right now or we'd be in the playoffs

pretty simple equation there really lol

so we agree on that.

my argument was to your posting specifically.. people would be more apt to take you seriously if you simply balanced some of your points with some positive commentary. I know its outweighed by the bad, but its not 100% bad

just offering up a lil piece of advice here.. just try to say a few positive things you actually think are note worthy to compliment your negatvie viewpoints of the team and you will find people will take you far more seriously