I think it was Jak who illustrated before, there isn't any aspect of Carle's game that stands out. He's a good puck mover, that cannot be understated, but his lack of physicality, popgun shot, and glaring mistakes stand out as weaknesses in my eyes.

I don't like having Carle play on the PP, but without Pronger, and Meszaros, Laviolette's options are somewhat limited. I'm not a fan of having any of the Flyers forwards play the point. Carle doesn't have a shot that can get through traffic, it gets blocked time and again. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Kubina on the power play.
- PLindbergh31

If all you want is a big PP shot, Andy Delmore could be had for under $1mm

Plus he had both these guys on his team (ever see Jordan called for walking? Didn't think so).


- Lexington Flyer

Rodman headbutted a referee once, as well as kicking a camera man in the stones. He was the definition of a loose cannon. He's reportedly broke, and seriously ill now.

The thing is, most of the player we've talked about today will be getting more than $5.5mm when they hit the open market, unless there's a big drop in the cap. Carle's comparable to James Wisniewski, who makes $5.25mm. Carle's also comparable to a guy like Jack Johnson, who is making less, but is on a long term deal and isn't as good an all around defenseman as Carle.

IMO, Carle or a similar replacement is very important to the system the Flyers play. More important than Grossmann, Coburn and Meszaros, and certainly more important than Kubina.
- Jsaquella

We disagree.

If all you want is a big PP shot, Andy Delmore could be had for under $1mm
- Jsaquella

Kubina has a booming shot. Why hasn't he seen any PP time?

I think it was Jak who illustrated before, there isn't any aspect of Carle's game that stands out. He's a good puck mover, that cannot be understated, but his lack of physicality, popgun shot, and glaring mistakes stand out as weaknesses in my eyes.

I don't like having Carle play on the PP, but without Pronger, and Meszaros, Laviolette's options are somewhat limited. I'm not a fan of having any of the Flyers forwards play the point. Carle doesn't have a shot that can get through traffic, it gets blocked time and again. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Kubina on the power play.
- PLindbergh31

Yup. Guy has a shot, and it is a right handed one to boot. Get him out there and let him and Jagr play catch until someone gets open.

I think it was Jak who illustrated before, there isn't any aspect of Carle's game that stands out. He's a good puck mover, that cannot be understated, but his lack of physicality, popgun shot, and glaring mistakes stand out as weaknesses in my eyes.

I don't like having Carle play on the PP, but without Pronger, and Meszaros, Laviolette's options are somewhat limited. I'm not a fan of having any of the Flyers forwards play the point. Carle doesn't have a shot that can get through traffic, it gets blocked time and again. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Kubina on the power play.
- PLindbergh31

Not saying Carle's game is overvalued or undervalued but sometimes the price on the open market can be wrong. Just because another team is willing to overpay doesnt mean you have to do it. Their are other options out there for Homer to look at.

Yup. Guy has a shot, and it is a right handed one to boot. Get him out there and let him and Jagr play catch until someone gets open.
- Lexington Flyer

He's been injured, so maybe he hasn't gotten the practice time he needs, but I thought one of the reasons he was acquired was to play on the PP.

Kubina has a booming shot. Why hasn't he seen any PP time?
- PLindbergh31

Who the hell knows. The forward at the point is the worst idea because we suck at it.

Rodman headbutted a referee once, as well as kicking a camera man in the stones. He was the definition of a loose cannon. He's reportedly broke, and seriously ill now.
- PLindbergh31

I remember that stuff. He was crazy. But he was one of the best rebounders ever to play the game. He just knew where and how a ball was coming off the rim and was willing to get dirty to get there and get up. Doesn't surprise me that he is broke and ill. Sad. I always kind of liked him for his low tech nitty gritty game...even when he was with Detroit. He and Bill Laimbeer = serious pain in the ass for the other team

Not saying Carle's game is overvalued or undervalued but sometimes the price on the open market can be wrong. Just because another team is willing to overpay doesnt mean you have to do it. Their are other options out there for Homer to look at.
- stveshdy

Yup. I'm not in love with giving Suter 7 million per, but if it's that or pay Carle 5.5, I will take Suter. I think most likely the Flyers won't resign Carle, and won't sign Suter, but Holmgren will explore the trade route.

I remember that stuff. He was crazy. But he was one of the best rebounders ever to play the game. He just knew where and how a ball was coming off the rim and was willing to get dirty to get there and get up. Doesn't surprise me that he is broke and ill. Sad. I always kind of liked him for his low tech nitty gritty game...even when he was with Detroit. He and Bill Laimbeer = pain in the ass for the other team

- Lexington Flyer

Yup. He was a dedicated rebounder. Undersized and routinely averaged 15 boards a game. Yeah those Detroit badboys with Laimbeer, Rodman, Salley, Mahorn and company were a bunch of dirty bastards, but they knew how to win. Didn't hurt having an Isiah Thomas, and Joe Dumars backcourt either.

Who the hell knows. The forward at the point is the worst idea because we suck at it.
- stveshdy

Most likely is that he hasn't practiced often enough. I would like to see him at least given a chance. Players might be less willing to step in front of one of his shots. I'm waiting for a player to catch Carle's shot with his teeth, kinda like the way Ace Ventura caught a bullet with his teeth.

Yup. I'm not in love with giving Suter 7 million per, but if it's that or pay Carle 5.5, I will take Suter. I think most likely the Flyers won't resign Carle, and won't sign Suter, but Holmgren will explore the trade route.
- PLindbergh31

I honestly believe they have enough players who can move the puck such as: Timonen, Coburn, Mesz, and possible Gus. Grossmann is not bad at moving the puck either but he brings something that no other d-man can bring on this team and thats size and physicality. He can match up against other teams bigger forwards and star players. Before he was acquired the Flyers had a hard time of muscling players in the corners and in front of the net. He is exactly what the Flyers needed. I'm confident that Homer can find a replacement for whatever player leaves this offseason, thats what he does best.

Most likely is that he hasn't practiced often enough. I would like to see him at least given a chance. Players might be less willing to step in front of one of his shots. I'm waiting for a player to catch Carle's shot with his teeth, kinda like the way Ace Ventura caught a bullet with his teeth.
- PLindbergh31

Thats cause Ace is legit. I love how pissed he got at Dan Marino over his gum.

I think it was Jak who illustrated before, there isn't any aspect of Carle's game that stands out. He's a good puck mover, that cannot be understated, but his lack of physicality, popgun shot, and glaring mistakes stand out as weaknesses in my eyes.

I don't like having Carle play on the PP, but without Pronger, and Meszaros, Laviolette's options are somewhat limited. I'm not a fan of having any of the Flyers forwards play the point. Carle doesn't have a shot that can get through traffic, it gets blocked time and again. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Kubina on the power play.
- PLindbergh31

He blocks a ton of shots, and is pretty much an assist machine.
He can move the puck, and he also can make a rookie like MAB look pretty decent.
All this stands out to folks who are more then casual fans (like us at HB).

I am not sold on a long term, big dollar deal for Carle, but I do think they will miss him next year.

I honestly believe they have enough players who can move the puck such as: Timonen, Coburn, Mesz, and possible Gus. Grossmann is not bad at moving the puck either but he brings something that no other d-man can bring on this team and thats size and physicality. He can match up against other teams bigger forwards and star players. Before he was acquired the Flyers had a hard time of muscling players in the corners and in front of the net. He is exactly what the Flyers needed. I'm confident that Homer can find a replacement for whatever player leaves this offseason, thats what he does best.
- stveshdy

Here is my question, with Pronger likely finished, and Timonen 37 years of age and showing signs of breaking down, who is the anchor of the defense going forward? If Carle is signed to a contract of a 5.5 million dollar cap hit, he's going to be the highest paid member of the defense core. Does anyone want him being the # 1 guy? I sure as hell don't.

He blocks a ton of shots, and is pretty much an assist machine.
He can move the puck, and he also can make a rookie like MAB look pretty decent.
All this stands out to folks who are more then casual fans (like us at HB).

I am not sold on a long term, big dollar deal for Carle, but I do think they will miss him next year.
- Marc D

if he's replaced by Gustafsson or MAB they will without question miss him. It all depends on who the replacement is.

He blocks a ton of shots, and is pretty much an assist machine.
He can move the puck, and he also can make a rookie like MAB look pretty decent.
All this stands out to folks who are more then casual fans (like us at HB).

I am not sold on a long term, big dollar deal for Carle, but I do think they will miss him next year.
- Marc D

It happens to teams all over the NHL. Nashville will miss Suter when he is gone. Flyers will miss Carle. Its part of the game but its not the end all bc he moves on. I completely understand what he provides for this team but sometimes changes are made. Homer will decide whats best for the franchise and will see if Carle is apart of that.

Here is my question, with Pronger likely finished, and Timonen 37 years of age and showing signs of breaking down, who is the anchor of the defense going forward? If Carle is signed to a contract of a 5.5 million dollar cap hit, he's going to be the highest paid member of the defense core. Does anyone want him being the # 1 guy? I sure as hell don't.
- PLindbergh31

Having a balanced 5-6 D men and some depth at #7-8 is not a bad way to do things.

They do need to replace Pronger and then Timmo the following year.

Makes me think a forward (Jvr cough cough) could be traded in the right deal for a legit top 3 dman.

Here is my question, with Pronger likely finished, and Timonen 37 years of age and showing signs of breaking down, who is the anchor of the defense going forward? If Carle is signed to a contract of a 5.5 million dollar cap hit, he's going to be the highest paid member of the defense core. Does anyone want him being the # 1 guy? I sure as hell don't.
- PLindbergh31

Going by what others have said about Carle he isnt a number one guy. Its hard to get an elite defenseman in the NHL bc they come at a premium.

It happens to teams all over the NHL. Nashville will miss Suter when he is gone. Flyers will miss Carle. Its part of the game but its not the end all bc he moves on. I completely understand what he provides for this team but sometimes changes are made. Homer will decide whats best for the franchise and will see if Carle is apart of that.
- stveshdy

I think they haven't reached a deal yet because they are most likely too far apart on the deal.

I'm sure they would love to have him back for a deal similar or perhaps a bit more then Coburn got.

Going by what others have said about Carle he isnt a number one guy. Its hard to get an elite defenseman in the NHL bc they come at a premium.
- stveshdy

Not only do they come at a premium, but they aren't regularly available.

Yup. He was a dedicated rebounder. Undersized and routinely averaged 15 boards a game. Yeah those Detroit badboys with Laimbeer, Rodman, Salley, Mahorn and company were a bunch of dirty bastards, but they knew how to win. Didn't hurt having an Isiah Thomas, and Joe Dumars backcourt either.
- PLindbergh31

The Broad Street Bullies on hardwood. They were nasty.

I think they haven't reached a deal yet because they are most likely too far apart on the deal.

I'm sure they would love to have him back for a deal similar or perhaps a bit more then Coburn got.
- Marc D

I don't think Homer is willing to commit to the asking price for Carle right now. He will have to weigh all his options and see what he can do before he makes that deal.

Not only do they come at a premium, but they aren't regularly available.
- BulliesPhan87

Thats the other issue at hand. Homer will throw draft picks around to acquire one if need be. He does whatever it takes to fill the need.

As much as I dont like it thats how he operates.