Well said, Bill.

Some ugly turnovers. But those are just anomalies. I'd much rather lose that way, than because of a lack of effort.
- bradleyc4

They've really gotten away with some turnovers the last week or so. Was bound to bite them in the ass.

Who was it?
- funmaster18

SarahBriere

Well said, Bill.

Some ugly turnovers. But those are just anomalies. I'd much rather lose that way, than because of a lack of effort.
- bradleyc4

BOOM

They've really gotten away with some turnovers the last week or so. Was bound to bite them in the ass.
- OrangeBlack27

Pipe down OB27. This was all Carles fault.

Carle's a good puck mover, and a sound positional defenseman. He's also shown an ability to help "carry" a younger and more inexperinced defenseman as a partner and not have it hurt his game.

The thing that plagues Carle, and contributes to his reputation among fans is that when he does make a mistake, they can be glaring. But he's not mistake prone, nor is he a guy that consistently hurts the team.
- Jsaquella

I'm sorry, I just dont think Carle does enough to make him paid as a number 1 d-man. Yes he is a decent puck mover, but he is no Timonen or Suter. He isn't an offensive threat like Buff, Weber, Karlsson, on and on and on... even though he puts up points... And he isn't a shut down defenseman like Pronger or Chara or Phaneuf.

Carle is a nice defenseman to have. He is a good puck mover, and not bad at the other parts of being a defenseman, but is that enough to pay someone over 5 million? Unfortunately I think with Timonen getting older and Pronger out, we dont have those big play, stand out defenseman anymore, and paying Carle 5 million is not going to help us get that.

Pipe down OB27. This was all Carles fault.
- jak521

(mistakenly) tuned in to wip for a sec last night and hear some dope go on about getting rid of matt carle now for a bag of pucks and every other cliche. farzetta, shockingly, came to carle's defense, but his reasoning was stupid essentially saying carle's been playing over his head and was bound to fall back. guess he missed carle playing at really high level pretty much the entirety of the last three seasons.

unrelated, but farzetta later went on to say that chase utley doesn't have a good reputation defensively and that galvis's glove will probably be better.

people are insane and i cannot believe they get paid to spread their stupidity.

Which teams need goaltending?

Tampa. Columbus. Maybe San Jose. Maybe Chicago.

If I'm Tampa or Columbus, I'm going after a Schneider. Bernier has played solidly, but he needs more time. I doubt he's ready to be a 55 game starter. Lindback has been really up and down this year.

Biron, Clemmenson and Emery are guys I see as backups. Vokoun could start, but he's been less than stellar in Washington this year.
- Jsaquella

New Jersey needs a goalie as does washington, unless you think Nueveth is good enough... Or is it Varlamov... I cant remember the one they traded. Tampa definately needs one, and Toronto needs a better one... Then there are a bunch of teams that need back-ups too.

I actually don't know of her work outside of Fake Tim.
- BulliesPhan87

she used to be a regular poster here, her current job doesn't lend itself to much hockeybuzzing

(mistakenly) tuned in to wip for a sec last night and hear some dope go on about getting rid of matt carle now for a bag of pucks and every other cliche. farzetta, shockingly, came to carle's defense, but his reasoning was stupid essentially saying carle's been playing over his head and was bound to fall back. guess he missed carle playing at really high level pretty much the entirety of the last three seasons.

unrelated, but farzetta later went on to say that chase utley doesn't have a good reputation defensively and that galvis's glove will probably be better.

people are insane and i cannot believe they get paid to spread their stupidity.
- OrangeBlack27

More concerning than them spreading their nonsense is that a lot of people actually believe the things they say.

she used to be a regular poster here, her current job doesn't lend itself to much hockeybuzzing
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Gotcha. Well, I enjoy her work on Twitter anyways.

More concerning than them spreading their nonsense is that a lot of people actually believe the things they say.
- BulliesPhan87

well, yes; that's the real issue.

I'm sorry, I just dont think Carle does enough to make him paid as a number 1 d-man. Yes he is a decent puck mover, but he is no Timonen or Suter. He isn't an offensive threat like Buff, Weber, Karlsson, on and on and on... even though he puts up points... And he isn't a shut down defenseman like Pronger or Chara or Phaneuf.

Carle is a nice defenseman to have. He is a good puck mover, and not bad at the other parts of being a defenseman, but is that enough to pay someone over 5 million? Unfortunately I think with Timonen getting older and Pronger out, we dont have those big play, stand out defenseman anymore, and paying Carle 5 million is not going to help us get that.
- RooNosHockey

Carle is far more then a good puck mover. He excels as a puck mover. How is Carle not an offensive threat? Let's look at some facts. Carle is 18th among NHL defenseman in total points. He is 14th among NHL defenseman in assists. Last Season Carle led all NHL defenseman in ES points. He is ranked 7th among all NHL Defenseman this Season in ES points. Carle excels at ES offense from the defensive position. Which is clear evidence of him being far more then just "a decent puck mover".

Carle is also a solid defender positionally. The evidence of that is his shot blocking totals. Leads the team in blocked shots and is in the top 25 or so in the NHL in that department. He is also a decent PP producer as a 2nd unit point man. Coombine all that Carle offers to a team. And he is worth every bit of 5M on the open market. And if the Flyers don't retain him, they better get a dam good player in to replace him. Or it will be a big loss.

SarahBriere
- bodiva88

I don't know who that is. Why did she reveal herself?

ouch
- Don'tForgetTocchet

lol

well, yes; that's the real issue.
- OrangeBlack27

I suppose there's nothing that can be done, short of trying to ignore them as much as possible. I feel bad for my counterpart, her neighbor in the workplace tunes in all day, she sometimes relates the nonsense. A couple of stand out instances:

-Mike Misanthrope responding to JVR's defense of Bryzgalov, "Shut up kid, you're just trade bait."

-Last week Misinformation suggested that hockey will never attract casual fans because "fighting is a substitute for talent." Apparently, the caller at the time countered, "but a fight can be a game changer." They then went on to debate the meaning of that stupid term.

I guess I'm just glad I'm not the one who's subjected to it daily

I suppose there's nothing that can be done, short of trying to ignore them as much as possible. I feel bad for my counterpart, her neighbor in the workplace tunes in all day, she sometimes relates the nonsense. A couple of stand out instances:

-Mike Misanthrope responding to JVR's defense of Bryzgalov, "Shut up, you're just trade bait."

-Last week Misinformation suggested that hockey will never attract casual fans because "fighting is a substitute for talent." Apparently, the caller at the time countered, "but a fight can be a game changer." They then went on to debate the meaning of that stupid term.

I guess I'm just glad I'm not the one who's subjected to it daily
- BulliesPhan87

ya i would punch missanelli in the face right now, if i could.

edit: he was the flyers beat writer at the inky, i believe, many moons ago. unless snider b'd him out one time, there's no way he really feels that way about hockey. it's just stupid shtick that for whatever reason, people keep calling and tuning in. can't believe flyers fans actually call in and try to debate with him.

Carle is far more then a good puck mover. He excels as a puck mover. How is Carle not an offensive threat? Let's look at some facts. Carle is 18th among NHL defenseman in total points. He is 14th among NHL defenseman in assists. Last Season Carle led all NHL defenseman in ES points. He is ranked 7th among all NHL Defenseman this Season in ES points. Carle excels at ES offense from the defensive position. Which is clear evidence of him being far more then just "a decent puck mover".
Carle is also a solid defender positionally. The evidence of that is his shot blocking totals. Leads the team in blocked shots and is in the top 25 or so in the NHL in that department. He is also a decent PP producer as a 2nd unit point man. Coombine all that Carle offers to a team. And he is worth every bit of 5M on the open market. And if the Flyers don't retain him, they better get a dam good player in to replace him. Or it will be a big loss.
- MJL

I knew this was coming.... and I'm not going to argue numbers, because numbers can be mis-leading... Can you say that Carle is in the same breath of players like Letang, Buff, Karlson, Weber, Doughty, Johnson, Green (injured year), Streit, Lidstrom and Peitriangelo offensively? Can you say he is as good a Weber, Chara, Phaneauf, Keith, or Myers defensively?

I knew this was coming.... and I'm not going to argue numbers, because numbers can be mis-leading... Can you say that Carle is in the same breath of players like Letang, Buff, Karlson, Weber, Doughty, Johnson, Green (injured year), Streit, Lidstrom and Peitriangelo offensively? Can you say he is as good a Weber, Chara, Phaneauf, Keith, or Myers defensively?
- RooNosHockey

i think one's own eyes are a hell of a lot more misleading than numbers.

edit: you might remember one out of every 50 outlet passes a guy makes, but the turnovers really stick out. eyes and perception can really be deceiving.

The thing that bothers me is that after the first line, they don't seem to have too many weapons. There is really no other line that another coach would worry about having their 3rd pairing defensemen or 4rth line face. After the emphasis on defensive play, which I am all for, Talbot and Couturier don't look threatening. Schenn's assist last night was the first time in March when I noticed him. Voracek, Briere, Read: patchy. Roo is an amazing player but has scored 8-9 goals in 2012. In our SCF run, we had one line plus Roo, who was consistently threatening. And Richards, though he did nothing in the finals.

One reason for the slow start could be that the team needs to go to the well to score goals, and when the game is even, they don't need to do that. One can only go to the well so often.

ya i would punch missanelli in the face right now, if i could.

edit: he was the flyers beat writer at the inky, i believe, many moons ago. unless snider b'd him out one time, there's no way he really feels that way about hockey. it's just stupid shtick that for whatever reason, people keep calling and tuning in. can't believe flyers fans actually call in and try to debate with him.
- OrangeBlack27

I don't expect they believe most of the crap they say, they know what they're doing. It's kind of like when Barkann went on that whole "was Bryzgalov really being sarcastic?" binge after that Winnipeg game, there's no way he actually felt Bryz was serious. It's just unfortunate that this is the most profitable way to broadcast sports media, with anger and misleading reporting.

Oh well.

i think one's own eyes are a hell of a lot more misleading than numbers.
- OrangeBlack27

I'm not saying Carle sux like some people, but he is not a number 1 d-man, or a game changer. He is a solid defenseman. Someone you dont want to lose, but I would rather lose him then overpay. If anyone thinks this defense will be okay when Timonen retires and Carle is a number 1 then.... hmm. I would rather let Carle go if wants a penny over 5 million when you can spend somewhere in the ballpark for 6.5 for Suter.

I knew this was coming.... and I'm not going to argue numbers, because numbers can be mis-leading... Can you say that Carle is in the same breath of players like Letang, Buff, Karlson, Weber, Doughty, Johnson, Green (injured year), Streit, Lidstrom and Peitriangelo offensively? Can you say he is as good a Weber, Chara, Phaneauf, Keith, or Myers defensively?
- RooNosHockey

Carle's not exactly my favorite player on the Flyers, but given his age, he isn't getting paid like those guys, so he isn't expected to be "in the same breath" as the players you're mentioning. All those younger guys mentioned (Karlsson, Peitriangelo, etc) are going to get monster contracts and make way more money than what Carle will sign for.

I'm not saying Carle sux like some people, but he is not a number 1 d-man, or a game changer. He is a solid defenseman. Someone you dont want to lose, but I would rather lose him then overpay. If anyone thinks this defense will be okay when Timonen retires and Carle is a number 1 then.... hmm. I would rather let Carle go if wants a penny over 5 million when you can spend somewhere in the ballpark for 6.5 for Suter.
- RooNosHockey

I don't disagree with any of this except for maybe the game-changer part every once in a while.

The thing that bothers me is that after the first line, they don't seem to have too many weapons. There is really no other line that another coach would worry about having their 3rd pairing defensemen or 4rth line face. After the emphasis on defensive play, which I am all for, Talbot and Couturier don't look threatening. Schenn's assist last night was the first time in March when I noticed him. Voracek, Briere, Read: patchy. Roo is an amazing player but has scored 8-9 goals in 2012. In our SCF run, we had one line plus Roo, who was consistently threatening. And Richards, though he did nothing in the finals.

One reason for the slow start could be that the team needs to go to the well to score goals, and when the game is even, they don't need to do that. One can only go to the well so often.
- PT21

Its about match-ups, and when healthy our team's 2-4 lines are better then other teams 2-4 lines... As long as our 2-4 lines outscore thier 2-4 lines we should be fine...

I'm not saying Carle sux like some people, but he is not a number 1 d-man, or a game changer. He is a solid defenseman. Someone you dont want to lose, but I would rather lose him then overpay. If anyone thinks this defense will be okay when Timonen retires and Carle is a number 1 then.... hmm. I would rather let Carle go if wants a penny over 5 million when you can spend somewhere in the ballpark for 6.5 for Suter.
- RooNosHockey

Don't worry both players (Carle & Suter) will end up in Detroit. They have Lidstrom retiring and have a ton of money in cap space.