i have said a hundred times that schenn will be a good second pairing d-man if coached properly and is allowed to play a game that suits his skill set

i am not one of the people who think schenn will eventually be a norris candidate.. he wont be.. but i also think he is playing way below his ceiling and i think its due to poor coaching
- Dozzer

I just find it telling..that someone drafted in the top 10 needs a certain type of coaching in order to possible be good as a second pairing.

Usually someone of that ilk......is drafted later on.

But this dead horse is stinking up the joint.

Then I expect an apology for the blatant disrespect in your post to me.
- weirdoh

well in that case i am sorry you are overly sensitive about your thoughts based in hindsight

So you're saying a coach has no responsibility for the way a team is performing on the ice? Isn't that an equally bad problem considering that exactly what teams pay coaches to do?
- p_zub

Wow, you are obtuse. no it's not what i said, it's what you got out of reading what i posted, what i said was as bad as RW was for throwing young players underneath the bus, the mess was not his but Burke's, and the team is no better now under Carlyle, RW was the wrong coach for the leafs, but they arent exactly playing any better under Carlyle.

And yes Im being dramatic, but Im in the exact same frame of thought as Dozzer.

Not a superstar, but not a pylon.

I just find it telling..that someone drafted in the top 10 needs a certain type of coaching in order to possible be good as a second pairing.

Usually someone of that ilk......is drafted later on.

But this dead horse is stinking up the joint.
- Fakepartofme

then your expectations of top ten picks are way too high

top ten pick doesnt mean top tier player.. means that the guy picked will likely be an NHL calibre player.

why people over inflate the value of a top ten pick is beyond me..i find it to be incredibly unfair to the player picked in that range

And yes Im being dramatic, but Im in the exact same frame of thought as Dozzer.

Not a superstar, but not a pylon.
- markmark

well said, exactly how i feel about it

then your expectations of top ten picks is way too high

top ten pick doesnt mean top tier player.. means that the guy picked will likely be an NHL calibre player.

why people over inflate the value of a top ten pick is beyond me..i find it to be incredibly unfair to the player picked in that range
- Dozzer

It isnt his fault it was the TO media who hyped him up beyond beleaf. And yeah, they should be, doesnt mean they will be. Because a top ten pick should be a great player depending on which draft i guess, some drafts are better then others.

You're garbage.
- t_leafs21

and you're recycling.

well said, exactly how i feel about it
- Dozzer

I believe once the media and the fans lower their unfair expectations of him and relax, he just might turn out to be a great shutdown dman one day, that being said, if he doesnt show enough progress in the next year, i doubt he makes it past the trade deadline, burkie's or the real one.

i have said a hundred times that schenn will be a good second pairing d-man if coached properly and is allowed to play a game that suits his skill set

i am not one of the people who think schenn will eventually be a norris candidate.. he wont be.. but i also think he is playing way below his ceiling and i think its due to poor coaching
- Dozzer

take off your homer glasses Dozzer...

Then I expect an apology for the blatant disrespect in your post to me.
- weirdoh

I just find it telling..that someone drafted in the top 10 needs a certain type of coaching in order to possible be good as a second pairing.

Usually someone of that ilk......is drafted later on.

But this dead horse is stinking up the joint.
- Fakepartofme

UG 2.0

days and days i read in here and bite my tongue; but you are just a negative nancy female dog, get a new team or find a new place to cry a (frank)ing river, so suck it up or move the (frank) on.

It isnt his fault it was the TO media who hyped him up beyond beleaf. And yeah, they should be, doesnt mean they will be. Because a top ten pick should be a great player depending on which draft i guess, some drafts are better then others.
- Prolific_Scorer

i disagree with the premise a top ten pick should equal a top tier player

to me, the higher the pick the better the odds of them becoming a full time nhl-er.. in any regard..

there are more top ten picks who dont reach this magical ceiling placed on them then there are guys who do reach it.. and thats fact.

It isnt his fault it was the TO media who hyped him up beyond beleaf. And yeah, they should be, doesnt mean they will be. Because a top ten pick should be a great player depending on which draft i guess, some drafts are better then others.
- Prolific_Scorer

Feel the same way about Bozak, who I have for one also didnt give him a fair shake. Kid was an unsigned college player who the media made out to be the next undrafted Crosby.

Why is it fair to call people clueless because they don't share in the church of Luke Schenn? What is it that you think he'll become that makes him so valuable?
- weirdoh

It's not just Luke Schenn, its the whole atmosphere of our fanbase. Everyone thinks Burke is poop because he hasn't gotten us to a 7th or 8th spot yet. The point is to build a hockey team, this year could end up being a blessing in disguise cause were in the hunt for a top 8, potentially top 3 or 4 pick. In the end that player will most likely end up being more valuable to our hockey club then a 1st round exit in this year's playoffs.

Schenn is 22, he's on the 1st year of a 5 year deal at a reasonable 3.6m cap hit. When you're a d-man starting your career at 18 years old, your development will get a little wonky, he didn't go back for an extra year of junior, or even start in the AHL. Im just sick of all the negativity.

take off your homer glasses Dozzer...
- noename09

at his age there is still hope, but hes definetly struggled in the Wilson era.

And yes Im being dramatic, but Im in the exact same frame of thought as Dozzer.

Not a superstar, but not a pylon.
- markmark

What about a superstar pylon?
That's the best of both worlds.
Some people love him for he might be in a perfect world under perfect conditions - to them.....he is a star.....others...love him for his quality pylon-ness impressions.
Slap those two puppies together...eh voila!
Superstar pylon!

...and so it shall be!

I believe once the media and the fans lower their unfair expectations of him and relax, he just might turn out to be a great shutdown dman one day, that being said, if he doesnt show enough progress in the next year, i doubt he makes it past the trade deadline, burkie's or the real one.
- Prolific_Scorer

if he doesnt come around he will be hard to move with that salary.. carlyle will be the tonic he needs i think.. he will teach him the structure his game needs to rely on.. wilson didnt.

It's not just Luke Schenn, its the whole atmosphere of our fanbase. Everyone thinks Burke is poop because he hasn't gotten us to a 7th or 8th spot yet. The point is to build a hockey team, this year could end up being a blessing in disguise cause were in the hunt for a top 8, potentially top 3 or 4 pick. In the end that player will most likely end up being more valuable to our hockey club then a 1st round exit in this year's playoffs.

Schenn is 22, he's on the 1st year of a 5 year deal at a reasonable 3.6m cap hit. When you're a d-man starting your career at 18 years old, your development will get a little wonky, he didn't go back for an extra year of junior, or even start in the AHL. Im just sick of all the negativity.
- t_leafs21

take off your homer glasses Dozzer...
- noename09

UG 2.0

days and days i read in here and bite my tongue; but you are just a negative nancy female dog, get a new team or find a new place to cry a (frank)ing river, so suck it up or move the (frank) on.
- big_dion

What about a superstar pylon?
That's the best of both worlds.
Some people love him for he might be in a perfect world under perfect conditions - to them.....he is a star.....others...love him for his quality pylon-ness impressions.
Slap those two puppies together...eh voila!
Superstar pylon!

...and so it shall be!
- Fakepartofme

*crickets*

the twin tower take down was more humerous than this, get the point?

UG 2.0

days and days i read in here and bite my tongue; but you are just a negative nancy female dog, get a new team or find a new place to cry a (frank)ing river, so suck it up or move the (frank) on.
- big_dion

Oh shut up.
Continue to bite your tongue....you bring nothing to conversation.

Schenn sucks.








*slithers away*

at his age there is still hope, but hes definetly struggled in the Wilson era.
- big_dion

Im crossing my fingers that Carlyle can improve Schenn and Phaneufs game...guys like them and Komisarek were not Wilson type players and he had no clue what to do with them.