in fairness he also got grabo for next to nothing

in my mind that absolves him of the steen and finger moves lol
- Dozzer

Problem with Grabo is he is now going to be paid #1 Center money and he is our #2 Center.

He'll be making more than Kessel. WTF.

i have absolutely no clue
- Dozzer

I got to the bottom of this. It was him. I had forgotten he'd died a while ago.

Brian Burke quickly becoming the most hated man in Toronto
- leafs93

Only the people who can't truly grasp what he inherited would deem him a failure.

Problem with Grabo is he is now going to be paid #1 Center money and he is our #2 Center.

He'll be making more than Kessel. WTF.
- leafs93

whoa?!

grabo is not making number one centre money at all

number one centre money is 7million plus

Problem with Grabo is he is now going to be paid #1 Center money and he is our #2 Center.

He'll be making more than Kessel. WTF.
- leafs93

Supply and Demand

If I were Burkie, be aggressive and go after Parise and Suter big time.

Put Connolly, Lombardi, Armstrong and whoever else you need to in the minors to make the space.

whoa?!

grabo is not making number one centre money at all

number one centre money is 7million plus
- Dozzer

Sorry I should have said Toronto's version of a number 1 center.

Only the people who can't truly grasp what he inherited would deem him a failure.
- faceto27

I'm sorry, but that is just absolute nonsense. Though he has made a few decent trades, he has made numerous other significant miscalculations that you just cannot explain away due the fact of 'what he inherited'.

If I were Burkie, be aggressive and go after Parise and Suter big time.

Put Connolly, Lombardi, Armstrong and whoever else you need to in the minors to make the space.
- leafs93

with all those NHLers the Marlies will be amazing and therefore the Leafs will also be amazing in a few years

I got to the bottom of this. It was him. I had forgotten he'd died a while ago.
- weirdoh

Make a joke about it like you usually do.

Sorry I should have said Toronto's version of a number 1 center.
- leafs93

a couple more things in relation to this

grabo signed as a pending UFA, which inflates his value, Kessel signed as a RFA, so just wait til Kessel is UFA and then see what he gets.. I bet its more than 5.5million per.

Also, look at the FA centre market.. its horrible.. and when i say horible i mean (frank)ING TERRIBLY HORRIBLE lol.. which also inflates Grabo's worth.. grabo just picked a damn good year to be hitting UFA status is all

Oh wow double post.

Really? You seriously believe this?

On another note, did anyone hear Brian Hayes on TSN air the video sent out by the Leafs to their season ticket holders asking them to renew? Burke is on there saying the team has had 'a season of ups and downs', no mention whatsoever of the playoffs, and then he says 'I'm really looking forward to the winter classic'. LOL. Burke is absolutely shameless.
- triggermartin

I got that email/video. My eyes are sore from rolling so much.

I'm not a BB hater at all ....I loved his message (net out, truculence, etc..), his resume (generally) and a lot of his decisions. The 'patience' argument only runs so far ...we need to evaluate what he's accomplished vs. what could have been. I fine giving him another summer to get this back on track but for tebows sake get a veteran goalie and add some truculence.

with all those NHLers the Marlies will be amazing and therefore the Leafs will also be amazing in a few years
- dt99999

Watch it CHC.

whoa?!

grabo is not making number one centre money at all

number one centre money is 7million plus
- Dozzer

7 mil. is franchise player money, not number #1 center money. Grabo is neither, anyway. Take a look at salaries around the league, and you will see Grabo is overpaid by at least 750 k per year. He IS getting no. 1 center money.

I'm sorry, but that is just absolute nonsense. Though he has made a few decent trades, he has made numerous other significant miscalculations that you just cannot explain away due the fact of 'what he inherited'.
- triggermartin

The only thing that I would blame Burke on is keeping Wilson too long, and giving Phaneuf the Captiancy

I got to the bottom of this. It was him. I had forgotten he'd died a while ago.
- weirdoh

Sad story ...Fogarty was really really good.

I'm sorry, but that is just absolute nonsense. Though he has made a few decent trades, he has made numerous other significant miscalculations that you just cannot explain away due the fact of 'what he inherited'.
- triggermartin

every single GM in the league has their mistakes..

and you cannot discount that what Burke inherited was essentially an expansion franchise with no prospect depth and no core players

The only thing that I would blame Burke on is keeping Wilson too long, and giving Phaneuf the Captiancy
- faceto27

I cannot argue with someone who accepts crap.

a couple more things in relation to this

grabo signed as a pending UFA, which inflates his value, Kessel signed as a RFA, so just wait til Kessel is UFA and then see what he gets.. I bet its more than 5.5million per.

Also, look at the FA centre market.. its horrible.. and when i say horible i mean (frank)ING TERRIBLY HORRIBLE lol.. which also inflates Grabo's worth.. grabo just picked a damn good year to be hitting UFA status is all
- Dozzer

This

Sad story ...Fogarty was really really good.
- The Law

It got to check out a page on players who died during their careers. Some messed up poop there.

7 mil. is franchise player money, not number #1 center money. Grabo is neither, anyway. Take a look at salaries around the league, and you will see Grabo is overpaid by at least 750 k per year. He IS getting no. 1 center money.
- triggermartin

I was thinking Grabo would get $5 million tops.

I don't think Burkie negotiated at all. I think he put on the white beard and red suit, put Grabo on his lap and asked him what he wanted for Christmas.

every single GM in the league has their mistakes..

and you cannot discount that what Burke inherited was essentially an expansion franchise with no prospect depth and no core players
- Dozzer

Nooooooooooooooooo

An expansion franchise starts off with the first or second overall pick in the draft........ Burke didn't have that luxury

not so true.. boston won the cup primarily with guys drafted outside the top 5

you could argue seguin but other than a couple good games he wasnt the reason they won the cup, thomas was.. who was a 9th round draft pick of the nordiques
- Dozzer

Anaheim too. Getzlaf and Perry were lat 1st rounders... and Ryan's name isn't on the cup

I cannot argue with someone who accepts crap.
- triggermartin

And I cannot argue with someone who has the hockey IQ of my dog