I don't watch numbers, sir. I watch goalies playing and I can see them winning games by themselves when they do. Price had a great year when the Habs finished 1st in the conference and that's it.
If Price starts stealing games like these guys do, and I believe he still has the potential, then we will say he is top 5. - Jayden
So if there is 6 scoring chances on 35 shots on Halak vs. 16 scoring chances on 25 shots against Price.
Halak lets in 1 goal and Price lets in 3... who is the better goalie?
According to you, not looking at the numbers, Halak let in 1 goal... he is the better goalie.
The fact you put Orpik in the same category as Komisarek pretty much tells me it is meaningless to keep this discussion going.
Case closed. - Pecafan Fan
You can't judge those signings by how they played after signing those contracts, that is hindsight.
Both were highly sought after during their UFA time.
I understand you probably saw Komi more when he was in MTL and knew more about how he would turn out but there was pretty significant backlash when he first signed in TOR from MTL fans so there was obviously some justification to that signing.
Besides in UFA, bidding wars from GM's can drive up a player's price. It isn't the ideal way to build a team but if you have no choice then you have no choice.
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Mar 21 @ 12:04 PM ET
I think we are stuck with Komi, he can't be sent down and unless a team like NYI needs to reach cap floor he is a Leaf whether in the lineup or in the pressbox. His cap hit is a factor.
With that being said, guys like Lombardi, Connolly and Armstrong that carry a large cap hit, I wouldn't be surprised to see them moved or put in the minors since none of them have a NMC. This frees up all sorts of cap space.
With that space we need drastic UFA signings because nobody is going to give us a Getzlaf without gutting our best prospects. We need to aggressively go after Parise and either Suter/Weber if they hit UFA.
Yes we'll be overloaded with dmen but we will have big time value there.
Forget trading for big pieces like Nash, it will be counterproductive.
The only trade I think we have to do is for a #1 goalie because I don't see many of them hitting UFA anytime soon and we are desperate for one. - leafs93
Good analysis. But I don't think we're ''stuck'' with Komi. He'd be a solid addition for a playoff team. He's a rough go here for a little while but he's a good player. I have no doubt about it. His confidence is shot.
Continue being blinded by your Leaf hate. It will drive you far. - thomas81
Dude, seriously, people are not trolling you here. Despite the Vancouver team under my avatard, I ama lifelong Leafs fan.
You are assessing things the same way I would expect Burke to assess the team, given his previous actions.
The AHL championship means very little.
The Leafs have a #1 Dman, just not a good one, and well overpaid.
The Leafs have 2 #1 goalies, meaning they don't *really* have any.
The Leafs do not have a #1 center.
There are ZERO up and coming all-stars in the minors. That is simply the truth.
Will they get better. Yeah, there is some hope for the young D core (even that has largely faded), and a couple good drafts, and maybe they get lucky with one of their minor league goalies...
They are going to need some time, and some luck, before they are even a mediocre team.
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Mar 21 @ 12:05 PM ET
You can't judge those signings by how they played after signing those contracts, that is hindsight.
Both were highly sought after during their UFA time.
I understand you probably saw Komi more when he was in MTL and knew more about how he would turn out but there was pretty significant backlash when he first signed in TOR from MTL fans so there was obviously some justification to that signing.
Besides in UFA, bidding wars from GM's can drive up a player's price. It isn't the ideal way to build a team but if you have no choice then you have no choice. - leafs93
I'm not even talking about money.
Orpik is a much better player than Komisarek.
Good analysis. But I don't think we're ''stuck'' with Komi. He'd be a solid addition for a playoff team. He's a rough go here for a little while but he's a good player. I have no doubt about it. His confidence is shot. - thomas81
He could be wanted by a playoff team, but not until his final contract year when the cap hit will be at its lowest damage point.
Kessel has been one of the most consistent forwards in the NHL this year and is in the top 5 in scoring.
He made Lupul what Lupul is this year... all without a legit #1 centre.
Grabovski, while overpaid, was paid fair market value. Look at the centre ice UFA's this off season. Grabovski is far and away the best. (He's totally underrated as a defensive forward. Up there with Kesler and Bergeron... seriously. No, I'm not mental)
Gardiner is a great skater with good vision... but should be with the Marlies. Frattin and Ashton care and try hard.
Tell me the other positives the Leafs have, other than hoping that D'Amigo, Kadri, Colborne, Ross, McKegg, Blacker and their 1st rounder this year have something click and become better than 2nd or 3rd liners in the NHL. - leafs_wingp
All these kids are NHLer's, it's just if they will be impact NHLer's or not. McKegg is a Man among Boys right now in the O, can't wait to see him in a Marlies jersey next season to see what he can do.
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Mar 21 @ 12:10 PM ET
The Leafs should do the fans some justice and TANK the year. They are not that far ahead of the Habs. They have a GREAT chance to finish 15th. I know Burke can't publically say this but he should talk to Carlyle and say "F*ck it... Lets go for a lottery pick"!
No one said Kessel or Lupul sucks. They're saying you don't have a starting goalie or a #1 dman. Don't feel bad. Edmonton also sucks in that department. - GuyLaDouche
All these kids are NHLer's, it's just if they will be impact NHLer's or not. McKegg is a Man among Boys right now in the O, can't wait to see him in a Marlies jersey next season to see what he can do. - Boosinicka
Exactly my point.
Just trying to have the guy who thinks Komisarek is useful, Reimer is a #1 goalie and the Leafs are a decent team see the reality.
This year's positives are:
Kessel.
Gardiner can skate well and has vision. Can't play defense.
Frattin and Ashton try hard.
That is it.
Waiting for the future to arrive?
What future? will they be 2nd liners? or 3rd liners?
Burke and company should be given the benefit of the doubt until these players are given a fair shot at proving their worth.
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Mar 21 @ 12:10 PM ET
You should take a look at Reimer's stats before you pretend he's a #1 goalie, then... - Pecafan Fan
Wow. Are you illiterate or something?
I didn't say Reimer was elite. I never said that. You read what you wanna read and then give people poop about it.
I said he was average. I'm confident he'll have a stronger season next year. Does that mean he's the next Ken Dryden? No. He'll be average. That's all I said.
The Leafs should do the fans some justice and TANK the year. They are not that far ahead of the Habs. They have a GREAT chance to finish 15th. I know Burke can't publically say this but he should talk to Carlyle and say "F*ck it... Lets go for a lottery pick"!
Do the right thing Burke! - bleedingblu
Next 2 games should be losses. New Jersey and the Rangers. But for some reason the Leafs always put up a fight against the Rangers.
The Leafs should do the fans some justice and TANK the year. They are not that far ahead of the Habs. They have a GREAT chance to finish 15th. I know Burke can't publically say this but he should talk to Carlyle and say "F*ck it... Lets go for a lottery pick"!
Do the right thing Burke! - bleedingblu
Lupul and Kulemin did that, no need to ask the players to roll over. And Burke or any GM would never say that in general, let alone in public. You won't build a cup contending team when they know it's ok to lose.
