1 Bryz is way early in his contract. Briere is not2. Bryz is doing what he was paid to do Briere is not 3 Briere is a one dimensional forward that is otherwise a complete liabilty when he isn't scoring. Put him on the PK and you might as well pull the goalie also they tried putting him on the wing and it was a complete disaster. At some point can I get more than a guy that shows up 2 months out of the season for that amount of money? I think not only can you get one but two. This is about contract not exactly the player and I've heard all the arguments ad nauseaum and my conclusion is this: contract needs to be moved whenever if ever the possibility materializes.
- JoeRussomanno

How does the contract and the player not go hand in hand? And are the Seasons where Briere put up solid regular Season numbers just vanished and forgotten about? He's hasn't during the length of his contract been a player who just shows up for the playoffs.

Top 10-15 in the leauge if he is getting paid as a top 10-15 forward...
- RooNosHockey

He is the 24th forward as far as cap hits go. So hes not in the top 10-15. I don't think he is underperforming on his entire contract since he signed.

He's only been a 30+ goal scorer twice in five years.
- JoeRussomanno

He only played 29 games in 08-09 - but was on pace for 30+. I realize I sound like Danny Briere's biggest fanboy; which is not the case. I just think he has done wonderful things for the Flyers.

The thing is, Briere HAS lived up to his contract. He is coming off a career year. Yes, I would love to see him step up his game - as he has clearly had a down season - but to say that he ONLY shows up for the playoffs is false.

Players have down years. One year does not make a contract. Just look at his prior stats. These were all arguments in support of Bryzgalov - when he was lost in the woods. I just don't see why Briere doesn't deserve the same respect, especially when he's done great things for this organization.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Briere certainly does. I can't quite figure out the double standard.

Top 10-15 in the leauge if he is getting paid as a top 10-15 forward...
- RooNosHockey

That's not a fair way to judge him at all.

There are exceptionally talented forwards in the league, more so than Briere, that are getting paid much less because they're still on their entry-level contract.

They're in the top 50 in league scoring, being compared to Briere and his contract, but haven't had the opportunity to cash in on free agency yet (because of their age and service time).

Top 10-15 in the leauge if he is getting paid as a top 10-15 forward...
- RooNosHockey

He's only cracked the top 10 once. I might be wrong too but I'm pretty sure it's been once in the regular season.

He only played 29 games in 08-09 - but was on pace for 30+. I realize I sound like Danny Briere's biggest fanboy; which is not the case. I just think he has done wonderful things for the Flyers.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

He's done wonderful things but it doesn't command that cap hit.

How does the contract and the player not go hand in hand? And are the Seasons where Briere put up solid regular Season numbers just vanished and forgotten about? He's hasn't during the length of his contract been a player who just shows up for the playoffs.
- MJL

How does getting solid numbers equate into paying top dollar?

bet scottie can't grow chops like you, either.
- OrangeBlack27

It's usually a full beard, so I leave the sideburns alone on the rare occasions that I shave the beard.

That's not a fair way to judge him at all.

There are exceptionally talented forwards in the league, more so than Briere, that are getting paid much less because they're still on their entry-level contract.

They're in the top 50 in league scoring, being compared to Briere and his contract, but haven't had the opportunity to cash in on free agency yet (because of their age and service time).
- bradleyc4

Contracts are signed on what have you done in the past to EARN this contract and the balance that you're going to equal that and do more.

Just like LeClair was grossly underpaid in the first couple of years as a Flyer and then when he finally got paid, he was one of the first players to be bought out.

I understand what they did at the time. THat's not what I'm discussing. I'm discussing that if a mechanism materializes what should be done. THis all started cause someone brought up issues with contracts. I'm standing by my opinion. I have heard the other side. Still feel the need to shed that contract when the opportunity presents itself.
- JoeRussomanno

I agree. His contract wont hurt us next season, but the year after we have a ton of UFAs and RFAs that need to get paid and Briere's contract might hinder that, while still trying to improve the team.

How does getting solid numbers equate into paying top dollar?
- JoeRussomanno

I don't understand what your asking.

He is the 24th forward as far as cap hits go. So hes not in the top 10-15. I don't think he is underperforming on his entire contract since he signed.
- stveshdy

24th as far as forwards?

He's done wonderful things but it doesn't command that cap hit.
- JoeRussomanno

What do you think a player, in this market, would get coming off of a 95-point season? A fair amount more than 6.5, you would have to think.

I'm not trying to get on your case, and by all means you should stick to your guns, I'm just throwing out my two cents.

Briere certainly does. I can't quite figure out the double standard.
- MJL

That is what I'm having a hard time understanding.

He's done wonderful things but it doesn't command that cap hit.
- JoeRussomanno

The issue is there is no right or wrong. There's my a magic number that says he is or isn't earning his contract. It's all personal preference on of you think he's worth it r not. There will be many who say yes and many who say no, but no one is wrong or right.

The other issue I see is it's turning into Briere's career vs his contract, when I think it started out as at this point in his career is he worth it at 6.5.

24th as far as forwards?
- RooNosHockey

You said he was being paid as a top 10-15 forward. Thats incorrect. He is currently 24th among forwards.

Edit: http://capgeek.com/leader...P_HIT&position=F&limit=25

The issue is there is no right or wrong. There's my a magic number that says he is or isn't earning his contract. It's all personal preference on of you think he's worth it r not. There will be many who say yes and many who say no, but no one is wrong or right.

The other issue I see is it's turning into Briere's career vs his contract, when I think it started out as at this point in his career is he worth it at 6.5.
- funmaster18

AND can the Flyers continue to afford the contract when they have young players that are going to be off thier ELC before Briere's contract is up.

My opinion is if there is an amnesty buyout... you use it on Briere, despite what he has done in the past, and despite how he performs in the playoffs. Cause if you dont, you run the risk of losing Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, Read, or Meszaros....

AND can the Flyers continue to afford the contract when they have young players that are going to be off thier ELC before Briere's contract is up.

My opinion is if there is an amnesty buyout... you use it on Briere, despite what he has done in the past, and despite how he performs in the playoffs. Cause if you dont, you run the risk of losing Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, Read, or Meszaros....
- RooNosHockey

I would do that just because hes a 34 year old player who is one dimensional and this team has a lot of young talent that I would rather keep. So I would have no problem if that was the choice the Flyers made.

The issue is there is no right or wrong. There's my a magic number that says he is or isn't earning his contract. It's all personal preference on of you think he's worth it r not. There will be many who say yes and many who say no, but no one is wrong or right.

The other issue I see is it's turning into Briere's career vs his contract, when I think it started out as at this point in his career is he worth it at 6.5.
- funmaster18

I was lukewarm with the signing when it happened. That's got nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm saying going forward you need to move that contact otherwise you're gonna be in a pinch with free agent signings, maybe not. I suppose it is personal preference but in my preference he would not be commanding such a cap-hit. There's no double standard as I keep reading from Boom and MJL. I said over and over goalies and forwards are apples and oranges. Also if you must know I don't like the length and NMC on Bryzgalov's contract. That one is likely to bite us in the butt in 6-7 years just like Briere's might in the next year or so.

You said he was being paid as a top 10-15 forward. Thats incorrect. He is currently 24th among forwards.

Edit: http://capgeek.com/leader...P_HIT&position=F&limit=25
- stveshdy

It was a guestimate... Is he amoung the top 24 in points over the last 5 years? Or is he now? Someone asked how many points he should put up a season...

Well I still say for a 6.5 million contract in which the player does not play defense or PK, and his game is all about what he does offensively... then he should be putting up numbers similiar to the top 10-15 in the league... Otherwise, learn to back-check, stop taking stupid penalities as a way to earn that money...

I don't understand what your asking.
- MJL

You said he's putting up solid numbers. I would agree with that term used to describe the numbers. However he is getting a hefty cap-hit to put up solid numbers.

It was a guestimate... Is he amoung the top 24 in points over the last 5 years? Or is he now? Someone asked how many points he should put up a season...

Well I still say for a 6.5 million contract in which the player does not play defense or PK, and his game is all about what he does offensively... then he should be putting up numbers similiar to the top 10-15 in the league... Otherwise, learn to back-check, stop taking stupid penalities as a way to earn that money...
- RooNosHockey

I would do that just because hes a 34 year old player who is one dimensional and this team has a lot of young talent that I would rather keep. So I would have no problem if that was the choice the Flyers made.
- stveshdy

we are in agreement here

AND can the Flyers continue to afford the contract when they have young players that are going to be off thier ELC before Briere's contract is up.

My opinion is if there is an amnesty buyout... you use it on Briere, despite what he has done in the past, and despite how he performs in the playoffs. Cause if you dont, you run the risk of losing Giroux, Couturier, Schenn, Read, or Meszaros....
- RooNosHockey

If there was an amnesty clause, and if the only way to keep those guys is buy out briere, then I do it. I just don't think it will come to that.