I'm sure you get all the Ft. Stewart drunks haha.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Eh, we get those guys all year 'round

I play hockey with a few of em, not all bad guys. It's a particularly rowdy base, overall, though.

I agree with this.... i think Gerbe will be here next year.... Roy maybe not...

I would trade Roy to Ottawa for Foligno...

Foligno - Ennis - Foligno
- BuffaloKyle

Then for sure we could EFF the Sens -- twice.

Roy was on a PPG pace last year before he got hurt, so I don't know why you said this.

Pommer has put up big numbers before. He was finally given a bit more of an offensive role by Ruff this year and hasn't been hampered by playing with Hecht all season.

Ennis is just now finally starting to look the way we wanted him to. He was hurt for a good portion and was doing nothing prior to getting hurt. If they leave him at center, I think he can really explode.

Gerbe has more offensive skills than he's been able to show this year as does Leino. This year is a down year for pretty much everyone not named Pominville.
- HonkFortheGoose

He played what 20 games last year? I'm sick of people sayign he was on a PPG pace.
Marcus is on a PPG pace this year to! BIG WHOOP!

Leino has never had a great reg season, look at his numbers. Yes, players like him and Gerbs have been hampered by being moved around a lot, but they aren't down that much and they aren't going to score 30 goals or 70 points a year.

Eh, we get those guys all year 'round

I play hockey with a few of em, not all bad guys. It's a particularly rowdy base, overall, though.
- BuffaJoe

I was stationed at benning, irwin, and camp casey but did 2 1 month trainings there... pretty fun little town.

Couldn't you say the that the team that scores more generally wins the game?

I'm not saying we shouldn't go after them... but I have a feeling they, since they aren't many top 10 D and they happen to be 2 of them, will be over priced.
- Chipd

Bottom line is, if Shea Weber or Ryan Suter hit the market, they will be far and away the best player(s) available come July 1. It would be stupid not to try and make it work if you could.

He played what 20 games last year? I'm sick of people sayign he was on a PPG pace.
Marcus is on a PPG pace this year to! BIG WHOOP!

Leino has never had a great reg season, look at his numbers. Yes, players like him and Gerbs have been hampered by being moved around a lot, but they aren't down that much and they aren't going to score 30 goals or 70 points a year.
- Chipd

You're right. They're probably not because most teams only have 2 maybe 3 guys that will.

Roy played 35 games last year. He had 35 pts. He also had 69 pts the year before that, and 70 points the year before that. He's been a consistent performer up until this year.

Bottom line is, if Shea Weber or Ryan Suter hit the market, they will be far and away the best player(s) available come July 1. It would be stupid not to try and make it work if you could.
- buffalofan19

I'm not sayign don't try. But be realistic, they will cost to much unless we unload a player or two.

We can't unload enough on the D side without losing 10,24 or 57 and we'd have to lose 29 or 26 on the F side in order to get him.

In that case we'd turn into NSH from last season... every game would be a 2-1 win or loss.

Couldn't you say the that the team that scores more generally wins the game?

I'm not saying we shouldn't go after them... but I have a feeling they, since they aren't many top 10 D and they happen to be 2 of them, will be over priced.

If they get to the Cup finals or WC finals I dont see them moving even if offered huge amounts. If they win the cup this year... the market will price Weber at $8.5MM a year and Sutter at $7 to 7.5MM a year!
- Chipd

Suter was rumored to have been offered 7mil per already and turned it down because he wanted to see if they were willing to make moves to become contenders.

The 3 moves they made added UFA's at season end and they mortgaged their future to do it.

If they don't make it to at least the WC finals, Suter is gone followed by Weber next offseason IMO.

I don't think it's been that much of an anomaly.

Vanek has always been an up and down player. Streaky Yes, but still puts up 60+ points a year..until this year

Roy has been on the downside since 2007. He peaked in 07, but decline is harsh. He only played in 35 games last year, he was a point per game player before he was hurt. He was giving you 60+ before that on the regular. He had a bad year, just like Vanek

Pommers is having the season of his life. No, that was '07-'08

Stafford had a fluke year last year, when you take out the 10 Boston goals, he only had 22 goals. He still scored 31 in 1/2 the season. He is on pace to have about another 45 point season,

Ennis is having a great season. Hes had an injury riddled season, but is now at the same production as last season.

Everyone else is on pace to finish close to where they finished last year.
Except for Gerbe, Boyes, Leino, Myers.....

Our D scoring has been down, but that's because they've finally spent time focusing on being D and not's F's.They sucked most of the year. On D or O
- Chipd

Bottom line is, if Shea Weber or Ryan Suter hit the market, they will be far and away the best player(s) available come July 1. It would be stupid not to try and make it work if you could.
- buffalofan19

I agree, however (and this is kind of a question for everyone) how much would you pay for one of those guys? I think at a certain point overpaying for the hands-down best FA out there can really hurt the team. Either one would want/need a long term contract. We could end up having way too much coin wrapped up in our D if we were to drop a $7-8 million salary to one of those guys.

Also, thinking ahead, we may have lucked out with Ennis having a mediocre start to the year in that we probably won't have to pay him more than a couple million, but with Myers, Ehrhoff, Weber/Suter, and eventually (hoepfully) McNabb, how much is too much wrapped up in D?

Suter was rumored to have been offered 7mil per already and turned it down because he wanted to see if they were willing to make moves to become contenders.

The 3 moves they made added UFA's at season end and they mortgaged their future to do it.

If they don't make it to at least the WC finals, Suter is gone followed by Weber next offseason IMO.
- dadeadhead

I agree, they made some good moves... if they don't win the Cup or make the finals, the team will fall apart this off season. They can't afford to be at the cap.

I was stationed at benning, irwin, and camp casey but did 2 1 month trainings there... pretty fun little town.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

It is, especially when it's 80 degrees in february/march. Not so much when it's 110 in July.

I'm not sayign don't try. But be realistic, they will cost to much unless we unload a player or two.

We can't unload enough on the D side without losing 10,24 or 57 and we'd have to lose 29 or 26 on the F side in order to get him.

In that case we'd turn into NSH from last season... every game would be a 2-1 win or loss.
- Chipd

Moving Roy and Leopold frees up 7 mil.

7 mil that is going to available after next season as those two are UFA's.

Regher is also a UFA after next season.

So no we do not have to move Pommer, Vanek, Hoff, Regher, or Myers to get one of them. They can move 2 players that aren't going to be resigned after next year anyways. They will still have almost 4 mil after reupping Kaleta and Ennis to get a 3rd and 4th line center.


It can be done.

It is, especially when it's 80 degrees in february/march. Not so much when it's 110 in July.
- BuffaJoe

Yea that was bad because of the Humidity, way worse than the 140 dry heat at Irwin and Iraq

I agree, however (and this is kind of a question for everyone) how much would you pay for one of those guys? I think at a certain point overpaying for the hands-down best FA out there can really hurt the team. Either one would want/need a long term contract. We could end up having way too much coin wrapped up in our D if we were to drop a $7-8 million salary to one of those guys.

Also, thinking ahead, we may have lucked out with Ennis having a mediocre start to the year in that we probably won't have to pay him more than a couple million, but with Myers, Ehrhoff, Weber/Suter, and eventually (hoepfully) McNabb, how much is too much wrapped up in D?
- BuffaJoe

Myers for Weber

Myers for Weber
- Full Throttle

Lol now you're talkin'.

Suter was rumored to have been offered 7mil per already and turned it down because he wanted to see if they were willing to make moves to become contenders.

The 3 moves they made added UFA's at season end and they mortgaged their future to do it.

If they don't make it to at least the WC finals, Suter is gone followed by Weber next offseason IMO.
- dadeadhead

I don't see this team wrapping that kind of $ into a d-man when we are so shallow at scoring.
A solid center should be our first priority-
Myers could be a great chip in the equation, but with the organization's love for the kid, he won't go anywhere.

I agree, however (and this is kind of a question for everyone) how much would you pay for one of those guys? I think at a certain point overpaying for the hands-down best FA out there can really hurt the team. Either one would want/need a long term contract. We could end up having way too much coin wrapped up in our D if we were to drop a $7-8 million salary to one of those guys.

Also, thinking ahead, we may have lucked out with Ennis having a mediocre start to the year in that we probably won't have to pay him more than a couple million, but with Myers, Ehrhoff, Weber/Suter, and eventually (hoepfully) McNabb, how much is too much wrapped up in D?
- BuffaJoe

It's never too much.


Strong play on the back end frees the forwards to play their game.


Strong play on the back end means you don't have to pay a goalie 6.25 mil per for above average play.

Moving Roy and Leopold frees up 7 mil.



- dadeadhead

Who will take them?

I don't see this team wrapping that kind of $ into a d-man when we are so shallow at scoring.
A solid center should be our first priority-
Myers could be a great chip in the equation, but with the organization's love for the kid, he won't go anywhere.
- Purple Eagle

They have 2 in Hodgson and Ennis.

They need a number 1 and they aren't growing on trees.

I don't see this team wrapping that kind of $ into a d-man when we are so shallow at scoring.
A solid center should be our first priority-
Myers could be a great chip in the equation, but with the organization's love for the kid, he won't go anywhere.
- Purple Eagle

I'm getting nervous about Myers. Not that he'll never be a good player, just that he won't reach his potential for a while, and with his big contract, he'll take a LOT of heat for average play. That kind of stuff can ruin a young kid. That, and Lindy Ruff.

Who will take them?
- Chipd

Honestly Nashville has had interest in Roy in the past. I'd bet Florida, Minny, Toronto, Dallas, and Columbus would have an interest as well.


Leopold is a solid d-man, on the last year of a contract, who has been traded 5 times for 5 second round picks. 3 of those times were to Calgary.

I'm getting nervous about Myers. Not that he'll never be a good player, just that he won't reach his potential for a while, and with his big contract, he'll take a LOT of heat for average play. That kind of stuff can ruin a young kid. That, and Lindy Ruff.
- BuffaJoe

My fear is he'll never be the player we want and need him to be.


Not his fault really either.

Myers for Weber
- Full Throttle

Offer Vanek for Malkin while you're at it-

It's never too much.


Strong play on the back end frees the forwards to play their game.


Strong play on the back end means you don't have to pay a goalie 6.25 mil per for above average play.
- dadeadhead

We still have 3 more years of Miller, and I doubt he's going anywhere, it just seems like a lot wrapped up in the back end. I agree that D is SUPER important, but if we don't have enough money left to help our forward crew get better, we'll still lose games 1-0.