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potvin05
New York Islanders
Location: Snow's World (I just live in it), NY
Joined: 06.21.2008

Mar 19 @ 1:27 PM ET
Doug Weight may be ">" than Cappy, but any number of veteran NHL coaches are ">" than Weight. Mark it down, if Cappy is fired and Weight is named head coach, he will be just as ineffective as Gordon and Cappy before him, maybe even more ineffective, since he's never been a head coach at any level before.

Just because someone is (was) a good player doesn't mean they're going to be a good coach.

- Jethro09

Jethro....obviously naming Weight because who in the hell wants to coach this circus? Would have figured you of all people would have gotten that.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Mar 19 @ 1:52 PM ET
Love the fire with the discussions today. The Isles players should hang around maybe they learn something? No questions the Isles need to upgrade the talent. I would sure love to see this team with a real coach though. When the team could not score and the coach stuck with the same lines for months that's all that needs to be said about Jack's coaching skills.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:03 PM ET
Got to heavily disagree with you there. No Torts for Rangers and no Hitchcock for Blues and no way those teams are in First place. Especially the Rangers, they took on the ideals of the coach and their whole system is why they win and why they are where they are.

Also, see Tipett in PHX.

- mrhattrick27


This is two days in a row I'm agreeing with a Ranger fan. I'm getting scared.
Isles316
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island , NY
Joined: 01.15.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:05 PM ET
Lol St. Louis is a good team that struggled to start off with. I'm not going to keep arguing the same point, but I will re-iterate it once more: this team is not a playoff team. This team is not a good enough team. Their defense is horrible, with guys like Staios, Eaton, and Jurcina making up half the blue line. Outside of JT, Moulson, and Parenteau, no other forward has 40 points. COME ON. So while I also DON'T CARE FOR CAPUANO, firing him and replacing him with someone else for next year, whether it be Mike Keenan or Doug Weight, is a sideways move because it will not make the on-ice product better. When the team is ready to win, then I AM ALL FOR FINDING A BETTER COACH. But I think people should stop worrying about the coach and should instead worry about finding more defense, or some second-line scorers. Changing the coach should come last.
- isles10289


Every young player outside Tavares has majorly regressed under capuano. The team doesn't play nealy hard enough or desperate enough. That alone should warrant major questions about capuano.

It's one thing to not be a playoff team but it's an entirely different thing to look half dead in most games and watch your prospects and core players like grabner, okposo look awful most of the year.
Isles316
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island , NY
Joined: 01.15.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:09 PM ET
You're arguing just as much as I am. The Rangers are good because the team is good. Yes, Tortorella is obviously a better coach than Capuano, but that's not why one team is good and the other is bad. The Islanders will not improve until the on-ice product improves, so until that happens, it really doesn't matter if you fire Capuano or not. It's irrelevant.
- isles10289


I think this is 100% false. Tell me why the Ottawa senators or Winnipeg jets are better then the isles? On paper it's not a 20 point difference like the standings say with Ottawa. It's because the isles are never prepared to play. There is no reason why we shouldnt be at least fighting for that 8 th spot.
ovi8isles
New York Islanders
Location: barry melrose house, NY
Joined: 12.13.2010

Mar 19 @ 2:15 PM ET
It's kind of funny that you people watch a season of this team, and your first issue is the coach, who never steps foot on the ice. These guys are professional hockey players; the impact a coach has really isn't that much. I'd much rather them address the defense and secondary scoring first, then worry about the coach. If they don't fix the team on the ice, it doesn't matter who the coach is because they won't win. AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE CAPUANO EITHER, but it's irrelevant whether he's fired or not until the team is better.
- isles10289


guy then you never played hockey. the coach is a big part of the team. he sets up plays give them drills makes the descion to take a time out. also put lines together and to get these guys ready for the season and big games with in the season. yea but no coach is not tht big of a deal. we need a coach whos in the game gets mad wen a bad call happens and to draw up plays for his team and not the players to draw up the plays.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:17 PM ET
Every young player outside Tavares has majorly regressed under capuano. The team doesn't play nealy hard enough or desperate enough. That alone should warrant major questions about capuano.

It's one thing to not be a playoff team but it's an entirely different thing to look half dead in most games and watch your prospects and core players like grabner, okposo look awful most of the year.

- Isles316


Very well said. I would love to see what Bailey and KO could do with a real NHL coach. I'm not saying the would be stars but it would be interesting to see.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Mar 19 @ 2:21 PM ET
Jethro....obviously naming Weight because who in the hell wants to coach this circus? Would have figured you of all people would have gotten that.
- potvin05

I don't want to hear or read about Weight becoming the next coach (even though the writing is on the wall). If that happens, its likely to set this team back even further than it already is. I think that a veteran guy who's been out of the game for a while would be inclined to coach the Islanders. Therrien, Murray, MacTavish, Crawford, etc. have been out of the game for a while. I think if CW offered them good contracts, they'd take the job. I just don't think CW is willing of offer any coach good money.
ovi8isles
New York Islanders
Location: barry melrose house, NY
Joined: 12.13.2010

Mar 19 @ 2:22 PM ET
Very well said. I would love to see what Bailey and KO could do with a real NHL coach. I'm not saying the would be stars but it would be interesting to see.
- ses111


what you think about barry melrose?
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:26 PM ET
what you think about barry melrose?
- ovi8isles


I like Andy Murray or Guy Carbonneau. I would take Barry over Jack anyday.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:27 PM ET
I don't want to hear or read about Weight becoming the next coach (even though the writing is on the wall). If that happens, its likely to set this team back even further than it already is. I think that a veteran guy who's been out of the game for a while would be inclined to coach the Islanders. Therrien, Murray, MacTavish, Crawford, etc. have been out of the game for a while. I think if CW offered them good contracts, they'd take the job. I just don't think CW is willing of offer any coach good money.
- Jethro09


I also do not want Doug as the next coach but it's probably 99.9 percent a done deal.
ovi8isles
New York Islanders
Location: barry melrose house, NY
Joined: 12.13.2010

Mar 19 @ 2:28 PM ET
I like Andy Murray or Guy Carbonneau. I would take Barry over Jack anyday.
- ses111


i think it would be good to have a barry on this team because of his a vet and think he would be good for the young guys
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Mar 19 @ 2:33 PM ET
what you think about barry melrose?
- ovi8isles


Great mullet. Bad coach.
dack1972
New York Islanders
Location: Canada
Joined: 07.13.2007

Mar 19 @ 2:35 PM ET
It seems all the players but Tavares and molson regressed this year. this was the year they move foward...i blame the coach. Bob Hartley-that's who we need.
ovi8isles
New York Islanders
Location: barry melrose house, NY
Joined: 12.13.2010

Mar 19 @ 2:35 PM ET
Great mullet. Bad coach.
- UIF


ok bad with tb but they where bad this year to. give him a chance on this team think he will do good. plus we need somebody whos not part of the club.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:36 PM ET
i think it would be good to have a barry on this team because of his a vet and think he would be good for the young guys
- ovi8isles


Isles need outsiders for GM and Coach. The problem is after the Neil Smith thing Wang is going to stick with his insiders like Weight.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Mar 19 @ 2:38 PM ET
I'm not thrilled about Capuano either, but at some point, you have to look at the players. The Islanders keep firing coaches and nothing changes. So firing or not firing Capuano will not help this team win; it will be irrelevant. Until the team has some talent, through prospects, free agency, trade, or whatever else, firing the coach will do nothing.
- isles10289



this will be the most disagreed upon comment in dee karl blog history
Isles316
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island , NY
Joined: 01.15.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:49 PM ET
It seems all the players but Tavares and molson regressed this year. this was the year they move foward...i blame the coach. Bob Hartley-that's who we need.
- dack1972


Any no nonsense coach that holds players accountable is fine. I love Andy Murray. He got a raw deal in st. Louis and l.a. He is very much like Ted Nolan. He has a ridiculous attention to detail. Players wake up with notes under their hotel room door about their games. And his teams always play hard.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Mar 19 @ 2:55 PM ET
this will be the most disagreed upon comment in dee karl blog history
- LetsGoIsles

I think it's pretty much agreed upon unanimously, except for him.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Mar 19 @ 3:04 PM ET
I don't want to hear or read about Weight becoming the next coach (even though the writing is on the wall). If that happens, its likely to set this team back even further than it already is. I think that a veteran guy who's been out of the game for a while would be inclined to coach the Islanders. Therrien, Murray, MacTavish, Crawford, etc. have been out of the game for a while. I think if CW offered them good contracts, they'd take the job. I just don't think CW is willing of offer any coach good money.
- Jethro09




Ted Nolan never should have been fired. He took the isles to the playoffs. Since then, the "Providence connection" hasnt done a thing. Time to stop going for the hometown boys Snow. Gordon, Capuano, and the assistant Allen all are sub par. Time for this team to bring in a legit coach...........otherwise the same results will happen.

People can complain about the lack of timeouts, or this and that, but there is absolutely no excuse for this team to not show up for games...........thats on the coach as far as im concerned. The lack of physical play, also on the coach. Where is Capuano calling out these guys??? Im tired of hearing him say "i dont know why we didnt show up in the first period". Thats not acceptable
bhockey47
Joined: 02.26.2008

Mar 19 @ 3:28 PM ET
I truly believe that Jack is not going anywhere...he fits Wang's model perfectly, pay as little as you can for each position...a serious NHL level coach would totally change that...it'll be more of the same until hopefully Ratner and the Russian buys the team. Then and only then will the Isles see Tier 1 players, NHL style scouting, and NHL level coaching...until then,,,last place year after year.
bhockey47
Joined: 02.26.2008

Mar 19 @ 3:29 PM ET
If Doug Weight can get the power play going how in the world is he going to get an entire team going...
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Mar 19 @ 3:56 PM ET
Yeah, because they have the best record in the NHL. Yeah, I'm sure Tortorella is the reason the Rangers are good, and not because their young defense corps is becoming the envy of the league. I'm sure it's not because Marian Gaborik is back to playing at an elite level.
- isles10289



cant an argument be made that the islanders have a solid young offensive corps becoming the envy of the league (not the same extent as the rangers d, but people around the league would like some of the young isles forward)??
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Mar 19 @ 4:04 PM ET
It seems all the players but Tavares and molson regressed this year. this was the year they move foward...i blame the coach. Bob Hartley-that's who we need.
- dack1972


ehhh...clearly parenteau got better and id put hamonic, nabby and martin in the same category... after that everyone regressed
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Mar 19 @ 4:15 PM ET
It seems all the players but Tavares and molson regressed this year. this was the year they move foward...i blame the coach. Bob Hartley-that's who we need.
- dack1972

hartley apparently made some disparaging comments about Wang and the Isles in the past, when he was coaching either Atlanta or Colorado so I don't see that happening. His disparaging remarks were probably spot on, but that's not going to help him in the job interview.
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