Hahahaha omg. This is over if you think this team is better than that last playoff team. Stop using cliche phrases like "came out to play"; these Islanders come out to play every night. Not Capuano's fault half their defense (3 out of 6 players) should not be in the NHL. Or that after JT, Moulson, or PAP, no other forward has cracked 40 points. What I'm saying is, Capuano may not be a legit NHL coach, but replacing him NOW would be a sideways move because the team would still suck. When the team is ready to win, THEN replace Capuano and pay the extra money for a big time coach. But its irrelevant now.
- isles10289

http://www.hockey-referen...e.com/teams/NYI/2007.html

Here....go ahead and tell this team has more talent than the team as it presently stands. You want to keep fighting....well at the computer screen. I'll agree to disagree with you, respectfully. I do not agree with you at all, though. Any team I've ever played on, any sport, takes on the ideals of the coach. I've never played at any level professionally, and I know these guys get paid good money, but they are young guys (most of them), and it's on the coach to form and mold the kind of team they will become.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NYI/2007.html

Here....go ahead and tell this team has more talent than the team as it presently stands. You want to keep fighting....well at the computer screen. I'll agree to disagree with you, respectfully. I do not agree with you at all, though. Any team I've ever played on, any sport, takes on the ideals of the coach. I've never played at any level professionally, and I know these guys get paid good money, but they are young guys (most of them), and it's on the coach to form and mold the kind of team they will become.
- potvin05

dude it is useless. It is so sad when fans cant see the reality here. They put up walls and feel we are still the same like dynasty team from years ago and we cant do no wrong

Well then you have not met me. Hi I am Kasperrko and let me say something JAck sucks. They guy has no idea how to set lines and use his players strengths. He also has no clue what a time out is. He has no answers for his team and this team is never ready to play. So yeah a new coach who is going to kisk these guys asses is needed hands down. If Wanger and Snow cant figure taht out and Captain Jack is back nextg year then forget it. Also DP needs to be hit in the head with a puck. i would resign Rolston just for that. If he is in net then next year will be a lost year
- kasperrko

It's kind of funny that you people watch a season of this team, and your first issue is the coach, who never steps foot on the ice. These guys are professional hockey players; the impact a coach has really isn't that much. I'd much rather them address the defense and secondary scoring first, then worry about the coach. If they don't fix the team on the ice, it doesn't matter who the coach is because they won't win. AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE CAPUANO EITHER, but it's irrelevant whether he's fired or not until the team is better.

People said that SAME THING about Capuano when Gordon was fired. Replacing Capuano will have NO EFFECT until you add talent to this team. So it's irrelevant whether or not they fire him. Doesn't matter until they add talent. If they somehow make big strides this off-season, then I'm all for finding a better coach. But until this team has a defense that doesn't have STAIOS, EATON, and JURCINA on it, and has some scoring that's not JT or Moulson, it really doesn't matter who the coach is.
- isles10289

The 06-07 team was not predicted to finish anywhere near the playoffs if I remember correctly...and I believe more than one prognosticator picked them to finish dead last in the league, so they couldn't have been that good on paper. This year's team was predicted to be in the running all year and possibly squeak into the 8th spot. Ted Nolan got the best out of the players he had...the best, most consistent three-zone line that year was Hunter-Sillinger-Hilbert for crying out loud. The whole reason that year is a good story for us is exactly because it was a collection of average joes that banded together, played harder than anyone in the league, and won a whole lot of games they shouldn't have.

Cappy's seen quite a few players who are supposed to be key pieces regress under his watch. If this team played half as hard as the 06-07 squad, we'd definitely be at least in the Washington-Winnipeg-Buffalo zip code right now. That year's team maybe had a better D, but even they played over their heads. We're talking about Witt, Martinek, Tom Poti and Sean Hill here...decent, but not exactly a d-core that's going to put the current Nashville Predators back end to shame.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NYI/2007.html

Here....go ahead and tell this team has more talent than the team as it presently stands. You want to keep fighting....well at the computer screen. I'll agree to disagree with you, respectfully. I do not agree with you at all, though. Any team I've ever played on, any sport, takes on the ideals of the coach. I've never played at any level professionally, and I know these guys get paid good money, but they are young guys (most of them), and it's on the coach to form and mold the kind of team they will become.
- potvin05

You've never been a professional athlete. These are pros; they don't need a coach to teach them how to play hockey anymore and hold their hands. And that team is a much better team than we currently have. They have more than 3 forwards who add offense. They have a solid top 6 defense. Again, that's not a cup winner either, but that's clearly a better team than this current team is.

It's kind of funny that you people watch a season of this team, and your first issue is the coach, who never steps foot on the ice. These guys are professional hockey players; the impact a coach has really isn't that much. I'd much rather them address the defense and secondary scoring first, then worry about the coach. If they don't fix the team on the ice, it doesn't matter who the coach is because they won't win. AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE CAPUANO EITHER, but it's irrelevant whether he's fired or not until the team is better.
- isles10289

Tell that to St. Louis. Look, sometimes the coach doesn't have a big impact at all. But the right coach in the right situation can have a huge impact. Especially when you're trying to properly develop young players on the team. There shouldn't be this many players that seem lost as to what their roles are supposed to be.

You've never been a professional athlete. These are pros; they don't need a coach to teach them how to play hockey anymore and hold their hands. And that team is a much better team than we currently have. They have more than 3 forwards who add offense. They have a solid top 6 defense. Again, that's not a cup winner either, but that's clearly a better team than this current team is.
- isles10289

C'mon dude, clearly??

It's kind of funny that you people watch a season of this team, and your first issue is the coach, who never steps foot on the ice. These guys are professional hockey players; the impact a coach has really isn't that much. I'd much rather them address the defense and secondary scoring first, then worry about the coach. If they don't fix the team on the ice, it doesn't matter who the coach is because they won't win. AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE CAPUANO EITHER, but it's irrelevant whether he's fired or not until the team is better.
- isles10289

It's not all Cappy fault.

But with FA coming up... we have to bring in a high end coach for respectablity.

We need to show that we want to get better as a team.

It all really falls on Mr. Wang.

He needs to throw some money @ a Coach.... then do the same a Parise, Suter, and others.

If he doesn't do this... then we might as well keep Cappy.

Mr Wang has to make a statement!!!

Tell that to St. Louis. Look, sometimes the coach doesn't have a big impact at all. But the right coach in the right situation can have a huge impact. Especially when you're trying to properly develop young players on the team. There shouldn't be this many players that seem lost as to what their roles are supposed to be.
- UIF

This.

It's obvious.

It's not all Cappy fault.

But with FA coming up... we have to bring in a high end coach for respectablity.

We need to show that we want to get better as a team.

It all really falls on Mr. Wang.

He needs to throw some money @ a Coach.... then do the same a Parise, Suter, and others.

If he doesn't do this... then we might as well keep Cappy.

Mr Wang has to make a statement!!!
- jimmc7722

I don't COMPLETELY blame the coach. This is a good post, too.

Problem with all this, is that Wang shows no want to do any of this, and any coach or UFA looking from the outside in sees an organization in disarray. And an owner who meddles into all sorts of business moves, regardless of whether or not he knows what he's doing.

Tell that to St. Louis. Look, sometimes the coach doesn't have a big impact at all. But the right coach in the right situation can have a huge impact. Especially when you're trying to properly develop young players on the team. There shouldn't be this many players that seem lost as to what their roles are supposed to be.
- UIF

Lol St. Louis is a good team that struggled to start off with. I'm not going to keep arguing the same point, but I will re-iterate it once more: this team is not a playoff team. This team is not a good enough team. Their defense is horrible, with guys like Staios, Eaton, and Jurcina making up half the blue line. Outside of JT, Moulson, and Parenteau, no other forward has 40 points. COME ON. So while I also DON'T CARE FOR CAPUANO, firing him and replacing him with someone else for next year, whether it be Mike Keenan or Doug Weight, is a sideways move because it will not make the on-ice product better. When the team is ready to win, then I AM ALL FOR FINDING A BETTER COACH. But I think people should stop worrying about the coach and should instead worry about finding more defense, or some second-line scorers. Changing the coach should come last.

Lol St. Louis is a good team that struggled to start off with. I'm not going to keep arguing the same point, but I will re-iterate it once more: this team is not a playoff team. This team is not a good enough team. Their defense is horrible, with guys like Staios, Eaton, and Jurcina making up half the blue line. Outside of JT, Moulson, and Parenteau, no other forward has 40 points. COME ON. So while I also DON'T CARE FOR CAPUANO, firing him and replacing him with someone else for next year, whether it be Mike Keenan or Doug Weight, is a sideways move because it will not make the on-ice product better. When the team is ready to win, then I AM ALL FOR FINDING A BETTER COACH. But I think people should stop worrying about the coach and should instead worry about finding more defense, or some second-line scorers. Changing the coach should come last.
- isles10289

I get what you're saying, and this is a generalization not necessarily based on what you may think, but how was it most people expected this team to battle for a playoff spot before the season began and now, we're a team that's not ready to win?? That's what kills me.

I'll admit it, I thought we had a playoff caliber team when the season began. I know we had/have deficiencies on the roster, but I put a lot of hope into players that have let me/us down. We have the worst coach in the NHL, we could put a mannequin back there and have the same record.

You've never been a professional athlete. These are pros; they don't need a coach to teach them how to play hockey anymore and hold their hands. And that team is a much better team than we currently have. They have more than 3 forwards who add offense. They have a solid top 6 defense. Again, that's not a cup winner either, but that's clearly a better team than this current team is.
- isles10289

WOW... Guess they can get rid of the Jack Adams Award then



or just start giving it to the players

It's kind of funny that you people watch a season of this team, and your first issue is the coach, who never steps foot on the ice. These guys are professional hockey players; the impact a coach has really isn't that much. I'd much rather them address the defense and secondary scoring first, then worry about the coach. If they don't fix the team on the ice, it doesn't matter who the coach is because they won't win. AGAIN, I DON'T LIKE CAPUANO EITHER, but it's irrelevant whether he's fired or not until the team is better.
- isles10289

I agree the players have to take some blame, but if the coach is not challenging them enough and if the coach is just sitting there saying nothing during games then what are they supposed to do? He shows no emotion I beleive your team feeds off of your coach and that is why this team is Blah Jack is that way. Look at Torts he is fiery and the Rangers play the same way.

st. louis has something glaring that we do not..they have a defense

I don't COMPLETELY blame the coach. This is a good post, too.

Problem with all this, is that Wang shows no want to do any of this, and any coach or UFA looking from the outside in sees an organization in disarray. And an owner who meddles into all sorts of business moves, regardless of whether or not he knows what he's doing.
- potvin05

Spot on

I get what you're saying, and this is a generalization not necessarily based on what you may think, but how was it most people expected this team to battle for a playoff spot before the season began and now, we're a team that's not ready to win?? That's what kills me.

I'll admit it, I thought we had a playoff caliber team when the season began. I know we had/have deficiencies on the roster, but I put a lot of hope into players that have let me/us down. We have the worst coach in the NHL, we could put a mannequin back there and have the same record.
- potvin05

Yes, but the coach is not the reason this team is not in the playoffs. You're having a causation/correlation problem. They aren't making the playoffs because the defense sucks and because we have zero secondary scoring. A team will not win with one line scoring and the other three contributing nothing. A team will not win when 3 of the 6 defensemen on the team are Staios, Eaton, and Jurcina. So while Capuano is not the greatest coach, I would worry about that after the on-ice product looks better. When Grabner starts scoring some goals again, when Okposo starts putting up some numbers, when we improve the defense, THAN replace Capuano, but worry about it after you worry about the on-ice problems.

I agree the players have to take some blame, but if the coach is not challenging them enough and if the coach is just sitting there saying nothing during games then what are they supposed to do? He shows no emotion I beleive your team feeds off of your coach and that is why this team is Blah Jack is that way. Look at Torts he is fiery and the Rangers play the same way.
- kasperrko

I hate to admit it, but Tortorella gets the job done.

I might not always agree with how outspoken in the media he can be, but, you know what, the players respond more often than not. He calls out Dubinsky before the Isles/Rags game last Sunday, and then Dubinsky goes out and was one of the best guys on the ice. He's called out Richards, he's even called out Gaborik. He's scratched guys that I said "wow" about.
Now, obviously, the talent level is higher there, but Torts is an Adams trophy candidate for a reason. And....their defense corps has been injured throughout the year, a lot of patchwork going on there. Even a guy like Hagelin, he's gotten a lot out of him.

st. louis has something glaring that we do not..they have a defense
- NYI78

Exactly, but that's not why they are winning- it's all because of Ken Hitchcock!!

st. louis has something glaring that we do not..they have a defense
- NYI78

Yeah, and I'm not saying we'd go from 27th or whatever to 1st in the league either. But Hitch is clearly getting more out of that team more consistently than they were giving early on. I believe the Islanders clearly have more to give than the current staff is getting out of them. And if they don't have any more to give, then this rebuild is much further behind than any of us want to believe.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NYI/2007.html

Here....go ahead and tell this team has more talent than the team as it presently stands. You want to keep fighting....well at the computer screen. I'll agree to disagree with you, respectfully. I do not agree with you at all, though. Any team I've ever played on, any sport, takes on the ideals of the coach. I've never played at any level professionally, and I know these guys get paid good money, but they are young guys (most of them), and it's on the coach to form and mold the kind of team they will become.
- potvin05

The big difference between the 2 teams is second tier players IMO. I think the 06-07 team had more of them that contributed as a whole as opposed to overall talent.

I hate to admit it, but Tortorella gets the job done.

I might not always agree with how outspoken in the media he can be, but, you know what, the players respond more often than not. He calls out Dubinsky before the Isles/Rags game last Sunday, and then Dubinsky goes out and was one of the best guys on the ice. He's called out Richards, he's even called out Gaborik. He's scratched guys that I said "wow" about.
Now, obviously, the talent level is higher there, but Torts is an Adams trophy candidate for a reason. And....their defense corps has been injured throughout the year, a lot of patchwork going on there. Even a guy like Hagelin, he's gotten a lot out of him.
- potvin05

Yeah, because they have the best record in the NHL. Yeah, I'm sure Tortorella is the reason the Rangers are good, and not because their young defense corps is becoming the envy of the league. I'm sure it's not because Marian Gaborik is back to playing at an elite level.

Yes, but the coach is not the reason this team is not in the playoffs. You're having a causation/correlation problem. They aren't making the playoffs because the defense sucks and because we have zero secondary scoring. A team will not win with one line scoring and the other three contributing nothing. A team will not win when 3 of the 6 defensemen on the team are Staios, Eaton, and Jurcina. So while Capuano is not the greatest coach, I would worry about that after the on-ice product looks better. When Grabner starts scoring some goals again, when Okposo starts putting up some numbers, when we improve the defense, THAN replace Capuano, but worry about it after you worry about the on-ice problems.
- isles10289

Hey man, I agree 100 percent with the things I've bolded. But, the coach has a lot to do with how the team performs, I don't understand how you don't see that.

If the team was winning with Capuano, and the guys you mentioned were performing up to the levels you noted, then we wouldn't have a reason to fire this guy.
And, the last thing I want is guys like deHaan, Donovan, Ness, etc. get developed by this coach...

Yeah, because they have the best record in the NHL. Yeah, I'm sure Tortorella is the reason the Rangers are good, and not because their young defense corps is becoming the envy of the league. I'm sure it's not because Marian Gaborik is back to playing at an elite level.
- isles10289

Dude without an NHL coach behind the bench showing them the ropes they would not be in the Elite stages or a number one team. That is the thing you want elite players on this team? Get a coach to coach them to prominence. There are a reason they made it to this level. Now an NHL coach gets 100% from his players day in and day out. So far Jack has got maybe 30% from his players there is a big difference there

Exactly, but that's not why they are winning- it's all because of Ken Hitchcock!!
- isles10289

It is because of Ken Hitchcock. Look what they did for the other coach they had. Coincidence??? I think not