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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 16 @ 11:34 AM ET
He's already played over 50 games. Less than 60 games is ideal. I've already demonstrated over and over how goalies who get more than 60 starts don't win a lot of cups lately.
- JoeRussomanno


Bryzgalov is 14th in the League among Goalies in minutes played. There are some Goalies that have played almost 800 more minutes then Bryzgalov has.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:38 AM ET
He's already played over 50 games. Less than 60 games is ideal. I've already demonstrated over and over how goalies who get more than 60 starts don't win a lot of cups lately.
- JoeRussomanno


Who says he is going to get more than 60 starts? He is currently 16th in the league in games started at 49. Dont see it as a problem.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 16 @ 11:40 AM ET
Who says he is going to get more than 60 starts? He is currently 16th in the league in games started at 49. Dont see it as a problem.
- stveshdy



I see this weekend as a playoff primer. There are a number of game remaining on the schedule for Bobrovsky to play. Some big wins this weekend can give a team with a lot of young players a big confidence boost.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 16 @ 11:41 AM ET
Bryzgalov is 14th in the League among Goalies in minutes played. There are some Goalies that have played almost 800 more minutes then Bryzgalov has.
- MJL

Out of those 14 look how many aren't in the playoffs. How many are struggling to get a playoffs spot and how many are lower than 4th place. Out of all of them only maybe 4have a real shot at winning a cup. But even still goalies who get over 60 regular season starts haven't won a whole lot of cups lately. THat's not a coincidence it's a trend.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:42 AM ET
I see this weekend as a playoff primer. There are a number of game remaining on the schedule for Bobrovsky to play. Some big wins this weekend can give a team with a lot of young players a big confidence boost.
- MJL


Totally agree. I don't know why Bryz playing back to back is an issue.
MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Mar 16 @ 11:42 AM ET

New Jersey has eleven shootout wins to the Flyers' three, keeping the former within striking distance.

Great league!
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 16 @ 11:43 AM ET
Who says he is going to get more than 60 starts? He is currently 16th in the league in games started at 49. Dont see it as a problem.
- stveshdy

That's the impression you give wanting to start him every game. IT's not a problem how many games he has but to say he has had plenty of rest is wrong. He's had exactly what he should be getting up until this point in terms of starts and rest. IT's a happy medium and the fact remains that goalies who get overused don't win cups.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:43 AM ET
Out of those 14 look how many aren't in the playoffs. How many are struggling to get a playoffs spot and how many are lower than 4th place. Out of all of them only maybe 4have a real shot at winning a cup. But even still goalies who get over 60 regular season starts haven't won a whole lot of cups lately. THat's not a coincidence it's a trend.
- JoeRussomanno


9 out of the 16 are in the playoffs going by games started.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 16 @ 11:44 AM ET
I see this weekend as a playoff primer. There are a number of game remaining on the schedule for Bobrovsky to play. Some big wins this weekend can give a team with a lot of young players a big confidence boost.
- MJL

I didn't want him to play back to back last weekend but that was because I wanted him to get both starts this weekend and stay fresh going forward. I don't think one last back to back weekend is over working him. But if you ride him every game here on out that would be a fatal mistake.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 16 @ 11:44 AM ET
Out of those 14 look how many aren't in the playoffs. How many are struggling to get a playoffs spot and how many are lower than 4th place. Out of all of them only maybe 4have a real shot at winning a cup. But even still goalies who get over 60 regular season starts haven't won a whole lot of cups lately. THat's not a coincidence it's a trend.
- JoeRussomanno


There are 30 starting Goalies in a Season. Only one wins a Cup in a Season. Is the 60 game mark the reason why they don't, or is it other reasons why?

There are quite a few on the list of Goalies who have played more then Bryzgalov has, that are on team's that are ahead of the Flyers in the Standings.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:44 AM ET
That's the impression you give wanting to start him every game. IT's not a problem how many games he has but to say he has had plenty of rest is wrong. He's had exactly what he should be getting up until this point in terms of starts and rest. IT's a happy medium and the fact remains that goalies who get overused don't win cups.
- JoeRussomanno


I don't see how Bryz playing back to back this weekend is being overused. He is your number one and this weekends games are a playoff type games. Bryz has plenty of time to rest down the stretch if needed.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 16 @ 11:45 AM ET
9 out of the 16 are in the playoffs going by games started.
- stveshdy

yea and how many of them are in the upper echelon of seeding?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 16 @ 11:45 AM ET
I didn't want him to play back to back last weekend but that was because I wanted him to get both starts this weekend and stay fresh going forward. I don't think one last back to back weekend is over working him. But if you ride him every game here on out that would be a fatal mistake.
- JoeRussomanno


Bobrovsky is going to get some games going forward.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:46 AM ET
There are 30 starting Goalies in a Season. Only one wins a Cup in a Season. Is the 60 game mark the reason why they don't, or is it other reasons why?

There are quite a few on the list of Goalies who have played more then Bryzgalov has, that are on team's that are ahead of the Flyers in the Standings.

- MJL


Thomas started 59 games last year and won the cup. If you add in his games played he is over 60. So that idea of a goalie playing over 60 games is a myth.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 16 @ 11:46 AM ET
I don't see how Bryz playing back to back this weekend is being overused. He is your number one and this weekends games are a playoff type games. Bryz has plenty of time to rest down the stretch if needed.
- stveshdy

And I'm not arguing against that this weekend. This is a weekend with big time playoff implications. However you gotta rest him come tuesday.
kgrpitt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 09.08.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:46 AM ET
I think it should be a really good game. We tend to not play to good during the day due to the fact half the team are vampires. Stupid sun light.
- Deasr1


Well. . . . we do have a bat on our team so I think we have a case of why we don't play very well in the afternoon games either.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 16 @ 11:47 AM ET
yea and how many of them are in the upper echelon of seeding?
- JoeRussomanno


Come on...nitpicking now
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:47 AM ET
yea and how many of them are in the upper echelon of seeding?
- JoeRussomanno


Atleast 6.

NJ, Nsh, Philly, Det, Otta, Pitts
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 16 @ 11:47 AM ET
Thomas started 59 games last year and won the cup. If you add in his games played he is over 60. So that idea of a goalie playing over 60 games is a myth.
- stveshdy

Did Thomas start more than 60 or not? No he didn't. The last goalie to win a cup starting over 60 games is Fleury but you could have plugged in any goalie and won a cup behind that team sorry but he's not putting up elite numbers in the playoffs.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:48 AM ET
And I'm not arguing against that this weekend. This is a weekend with big time playoff implications. However you gotta rest him come tuesday.
- JoeRussomanno


I'm not advocating playing Bryz every single game from here out. Not sure what gave you that impression. I said Bob should have two/three starts left before the season is over.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 16 @ 11:48 AM ET
Did Thomas start more than 60 or not? No he didn't. The last goalie to win a cup starting over 60 games is Fleury but you could have plugged in any goalie and won a cup behind that team sorry but he's not putting up elite numbers in the playoffs.
- JoeRussomanno


I think it had nothing to do with games played and everything to do with the team and goalie playing well at the right time mixed in with a little luck and good fortune.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 16 @ 11:48 AM ET
Lundqvist is hurt.
- MJL

Think so? The official word, as I recall, is he's down with the flu. Then again, it is that time of year.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Mar 16 @ 11:48 AM ET
In the 30 games Flyers have won w/ Bryzgalov starting (Bob got one W in relief), he now has a 1.90 GAA and .933 SV%. That doesn't count the 0-0 shootout loss to the Islanders.

Bryz's SOL shutout vs. NYI and the 1-0 loss in SJ improved his stats in 19 team losses to a 3.47 GAA and .865 SV%. But the splits are still dramatic.

If Bryzgalov plays like the guy we've seen the last two weeks, the Flyers can beat any team in the East. Of course, the numbers above also reflect team play.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 16 @ 11:49 AM ET
Atleast 6.

NJ, Nsh, Philly, Det, Otta, Pitts

- stveshdy

Uh NJ is not ahead of philly and Philly isn't included because we are talking about teams ahead of them. Furthemore Ottawa is in like 7th place. By upper echelon I mean teams in the first 5 seeds.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:49 AM ET
Did Thomas start more than 60 or not? No he didn't. The last goalie to win a cup starting over 60 games is Fleury but you could have plugged in any goalie and won a cup behind that team sorry but he's not putting up elite numbers in the playoffs.
- JoeRussomanno


He played in over 60 games. He started 59. I think if Thomas started one more game last season he still would of won the cup. You dont think he was relieved once they clinched their seeding?
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