Just the way that goal was scored, on national TV, for a team pushing to the playoffs might vault Landeskog. His shots, hits and especially plus/minus is also a number Nugent-Hopkins won't touch.
- martok2309

Nuge is playing on a 29th place team, versus Landeskog on a playoff team.

I'm not trying to take away from Landeskog at all but his plus/minus isn't as impressive as RNH's ppg (0.86).

Both are great players but I give the edge to the Nuge.

Just the way that goal was scored, on national TV, for a team pushing to the playoffs might vault Landeskog. His shots, hits and especially plus/minus is also a number Nugent-Hopkins won't touch.
- martok2309

double post

The calder is Ladeskogs to lose right now, he looked amazing tonight. Nuge and Henrique are not going to quit though so Landeskog better not let off (not that I could see him doing that) Nuge's ppg # is .2 better and he is only 4 pts back
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- abware

All three are good, but if Landeskog keeps playing the way he is I think you can't deny him the calder. Though RNH has played 22 less games and is only 3 points back so he could definitely win it. Either way it doesn't matter too much, each player has a bright future.

Nuge is playing on a 29th place team, versus Landeskog on a playoff team.

I'm not trying to take away from Landeskog at all but his plus/minus isn't as impressive as RNH's ppg (0.86).
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- LoveGun

Landeskog is a big factor of why the AVS are playoffs contender...Think about that.

I like what Winnik but hes not producing points. Other than that we got smoked on that deal. Im def rooting for Ginner to keep doing well because he is an awsome player but not if it costs the Sharks a playoff spot

IMO it is Landescogs unless nuge goes on a huge scoring streak here.

The calder is Ladeskogs to lose right now, he looked amazing tonight. Nuge and Henrique are not going to quit though so Landeskog better not let off (not that I could see him doing that) Nuge's ppg # is .2 better and he is only 4 pts back
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- abware

.2 PPG is A LOT better than you think...

In an 82 game season, if one player has 82 points, that is obviously a PPG.

The other player would have like 80 percent of that, which would be 65.6 points, or 66 points. A 16 point difference is pretty large I might add.

I also want to mention, Henrique has the same amount of points in 10 less games, and all the little things Henrique brings are the same things that Landeskog brings, minus the hitting, although Henrique is not far off in that category. Unfortunately, with RNH's injury, he hasn't played enough, in my opinion, to be able to qualify or win for that matter. Average those PPG is a lot easier playing 50 something games than it would be playing 60 or 70.

It's a two-horse race between Henrique and Landeskog, barring RNH putting up a pretty damn good run. If they factor team's success into it, which they probably do, RNH obviously gets a huge blow to his chances.

.2 PPG is A LOT better than you think...

In an 82 game season, if one player has 82 points, that is obviously a PPG.

The other player would have like 80 percent of that, which would be 65.6 points, or 66 points. A 16 point difference is pretty large I might add.

I also want to mention, Henrique has the same amount of points in 10 less games, and all the little things Henrique brings are the same things that Landeskog brings, minus the hitting, although Henrique is not far off in that category. Unfortunately, with RNH's injury, he hasn't played enough, in my opinion, to be able to qualify or win for that matter. Average those PPG is a lot easier playing 50 something games than it would be playing 60 or 70.

It's a two-horse race between Henrique and Landeskog, barring RNH putting up a pretty damn good run. If they factor team's success into it, which they probably do, RNH obviously gets a huge blow to his chances.
- _Zippy_

RNH is only 3 points behind them...

Landeskog is a big factor of why the AVS are playoffs contender...Think about that.
- Dekker

Re-read post where I said Landeskog is a good player.

RNH is a big factor of why the Oilers have the best PP in the NHL this year, opposed to the worst last year.

RNH is only 3 points behind them...
- zach parise9

All three players are going to be studs.

Call the guys over at Deadliest Warrior. We need them to run some simulations.

RNH is only 3 points behind them...
- zach parise9

He's played 20 less games than Landeskog and 12 less than Henrique.

He will have to have a much much higher PPG percentage then they do, I know he already does, but it would have to be by a wide margin then someone would look at it and be like, wow this guy has 65 points in 62 games, whereas this guy has 60 points in 82 games or 65 points in 72 games.

When looking at points, you also must compare to their own team. Yes the total points for RNH and Henrique look more impressive than Landeskog's when comparing the three, but lets look a little closer.

Colorado is a more balanced scoring team with 3 lines distributed with players somewhat evenly. Edmonton and NJ both have clearly defined top lines. I believe RNH has played with Hall and Eberle for most of the year, and Henrique with Parise and Kovalchuk. Landeskog has played with O'Reilly and various wingers, some defensive, some offensive. Yes you could argue that the Landeskog-O'Reilly line is the top line for Colorado, because at this point it probably is, but they started the year as the #3 line and worked their way up because of the play of O'Reilly and Landeskog, and still, the top 3 lines are very balanced.

RNH is 4th in points for Edmonton
Henrique is 4th in for NJ
Landeskog is 2nd for Colorado

Landeskog is top 3 in EVERY major scoring category. His plus minus is a much bigger deal because he is a +19 on a team that is -2. That is an insane stat as no other player in the league comes close to personal vs team +/-.

RNH is a great scorer, but isn't even close to the complete players lando is. Both will be greats but RNH really has to tear it up if he wants to win. He also doesn't play on the PK like Henrique and Lando do.

Henrique is amazing defensively as well but most of his points are assists while playing on a line with 2 of the top 10 players in the world kinda dampers that stat.

With Lando leading all rookies in hits(actually 2nd in hits to emelin) , shots, takeaways, game winning goals, goals, tied for points, 2nd in assists, 2nd in +/- (to a player who plays for the rangers). All this with him playing clutch on National TV, it is going to be hard for someone to pass him.

If avs make the playoffs, it will be very hard for him not to make it. At the moment Lando is in the lead but there are still a handful of games left so you never know.

When looking at points, you also must compare to their own team. Yes the total points for RNH and Henrique look more impressive than Landeskog's when comparing the three, but lets look a little closer.

Colorado is a more balanced scoring team with 3 lines distributed with players somewhat evenly. Edmonton and NJ both have clearly defined top lines. I believe RNH has played with Hall and Eberle for most of the year, and Henrique with Parise and Kovalchuk. Landeskog has played with O'Reilly and various wingers, some defensive, some offensive. Yes you could argue that the Landeskog-O'Reilly line is the top line for Colorado, because at this point it probably is, but they started the year as the #3 line and worked their way up because of the play of O'Reilly and Landeskog, and still, the top 3 lines are very balanced.

RNH is 4th in points for Edmonton
Henrique is 4th in for NJ
Landeskog is 2nd for Colorado
- geoff_182

Your point is Henrique and RNH are playing with better players.

Like I said, Henrique started off our season on the fourth line, was sent to Albany, and then recalled. Then, they started him on the third line. There was a reason he was and still is playing with Kovalchuk and Parise, a coach doesn't call someone up and play him in between two superstars for the hell of it. He played his way up to there. And again, Henrique saved our season as we didn't have any centers when he was called up. At one point Parise and Elias were two of our centers, both natural wingers. When we called him up, our center depth was Elias-(Zubrus/Parise/Sykora whoever they would try to convert to center) and Ryan Carter. Our top two centermen at the time were both injured.

Also, the Devils relied on two lines heavily throughout the season until the Poni trade. Our third line combined for like 12 goals, look at the stats, Parise, Henrique, Kovalchuk, Elias, Sykora, and Zubrus all have most of the points and it's a major drop off since there. Without Henrique, our season was over. Henrique was also the first center to actually work between Parise and Kovalchuk, and each of their chemistry with Henrique helped them two finally get chemistry with each other.

Landeskog is top 3 in EVERY major scoring category. His plus minus is a much bigger deal because he is a +19 on a team that is -2. That is an insane stat as no other player in the league comes close to personal vs team +/-.

RNH is a great scorer, but isn't even close to the complete players lando is. Both will be greats but RNH really has to tear it up if he wants to win. He also doesn't play on the PK like Henrique and Lando do.

Henrique is amazing defensively as well but most of his points are assists while playing on a line with 2 of the top 10 players in the world kinda dampers that stat.

With Lando leading all rookies in hits(actually 2nd in hits to emelin) , shots, takeaways, game winning goals, goals, tied for points, 2nd in assists, 2nd in +/- (to a player who plays for the rangers). All this with him playing clutch on National TV, it is going to be hard for someone to pass him.

If avs make the playoffs, it will be very hard for him not to make it. At the moment Lando is in the lead but there are still a handful of games left so you never know.
- Meeqsb

10 more games then Henrique and 22 more than RNH helps those stats.

Why some, not all of Landeskog stats are flawed.

Landeskog has 240 shots and 20 goals
Henrique has 111 shots and 15 goals

Which is a good reason why Landeskog has more goals.....

Henrique plays on the second PP unit, has 6 assists, 6 points.
Landeskog plays on the first PP unit ( I am just assuming here) with 10 points.

Landeskog has 1,347:00 total TOI.
Henrique has 1,137:00 total TOI.

Landeskog has 18:29 minutes TOI per game.
Henrique has 18:21 minutes TOI per game.

Both which account for flawed stats.

Also, Landeskog has 155 minutes of PP TOI.
Henrique has 100 minutes of PP TOI.

Which makes the four point difference between PP points look not that significant.

Your point is Henrique and RNH are playing with better players.

Like I said, Henrique started off our season on the fourth line, was sent to Albany, and then recalled. Then, they started him on the third line. There was a reason he was and still is playing with Kovalchuk and Parise, a coach doesn't call someone up and play him in between two superstars for the hell of it. He played his way up to there. And again, Henrique saved our season as we didn't have any centers when he was called up. At one point Parise and Elias were two of our centers, both natural wingers. When we called him up, our center depth was Elias-(Zubrus/Parise/Sykora whoever they would try to convert to center) and Ryan Carter. Our top two centermen at the time were both injured.

Also, the Devils relied on two lines heavily throughout the season until the Poni trade. Our third line combined for like 12 goals, look at the stats, Parise, Henrique, Kovalchuk, Elias, Sykora, and Zubrus all have most of the points and it's a major drop off since there. Without Henrique, our season was over. Henrique was also the first center to actually work between Parise and Kovalchuk, and each of their chemistry with Henrique helped them two finally get chemistry with each other.
- _Zippy_

Yes, Henrique earned his way to playing with Parise and Kovalchuk, and he deserves it. But my point was not just that RNH and Henrique play with better players, it was also that you need to compare their offensive stats to their own team.

Landeskog's 46 points are beaten only by a player with 52 points.
Henrique's 46 points are behind 71, 67, 62
RNH's 43 are behind 66, 53, 44

Just the way that goal was scored, on national TV, for a team pushing to the playoffs might vault Landeskog. His shots, hits and especially plus/minus is also a number Nugent-Hopkins won't touch.
- martok2309

But 22 games less and only 3 pts separate the two... I am not slamming Landeskog but you all do realize that landeskog and henrique were not even mentioned prior to the NUGE and his time off due to inury...

Landeskog is top 3 in EVERY major scoring category. His plus minus is a much bigger deal because he is a +19 on a team that is -2. That is an insane stat as no other player in the league comes close to personal vs team +/-.

RNH is a great scorer, but isn't even close to the complete players lando is. Both will be greats but RNH really has to tear it up if he wants to win. He also doesn't play on the PK like Henrique and Lando do.

Henrique is amazing defensively as well but most of his points are assists while playing on a line with 2 of the top 10 players in the world kinda dampers that stat.

With Lando leading all rookies in hits(actually 2nd in hits to emelin) , shots, takeaways, game winning goals, goals, tied for points, 2nd in assists, 2nd in +/- (to a player who plays for the rangers). All this with him playing clutch on National TV, it is going to be hard for someone to pass him.

If avs make the playoffs, it will be very hard for him not to make it. At the moment Lando is in the lead but there are still a handful of games left so you never know.
- Meeqsb

Leading rookies in goals... Give RNH 22 more games and I am sure everyone would be as silent about the Calder as they were in the first 40 games of the year...

But 22 games less and only 3 pts separate the two... I am not slamming Landeskog but you all do realize that landeskog and henrique were not even mentioned prior to the NUGE and his time off due to inury...
- saskoil21

Landeskog wasn't playing as well before Nuge went down either. Key stat for Nugent-Hopkins and Henrique are their point per game. Landeskog has a few more as mentioned above. Plus/minus, minutes, goals, takeaways and hits all are drastically in Landeskog's favor.

The one thing I love about Henrique, though, the thing that makes me want to vote for him is SHG. Four is amazing for any player. I love all three guys and deciding isn't easy. They are all making a huge case for it.

Closest race in years.

Landeskog wasn't playing as well before Nuge went down either. Key stat for Nugent-Hopkins and Henrique are their point per game. Landeskog has a few more as mentioned above. Plus/minus, minutes, goals, takeaways and hits all are drastically in Landeskog's favor.

The one thing I love about Henrique, though, the thing that makes me want to vote for him is SHG. Four is amazing for any player. I love all three guys and deciding isn't easy. They are all making a huge case for it.

Closest race in years.
- martok2309

The only reason Landeskog leads in goals is because he has played 22 games more than RNH. The fact that RNH plays less minutes a game just goes to show how much superior his offensive abilities are in comparison to Landeskog to put up the numbers he has in the time played should give him strong consideration for the Calder. Don't get me wrong Landeskog is a beast and should be in the top two in voting but he is by no means a lock to win.

The only reason Landeskog leads in goals is because of the 22 less games played by RNH. The fact that RNH plays less minutes a game just goes to show how much superior his offensive abilities are in comparison to Landeskog to put up the numbers he has in the time played should give him strong consideration for the Calder. Don't get me wrong Landeskog is a beast and should be in the top two in voting but he is by no means a lock to win.
- Oil Tycoon

The reason Landeskog plays more minutes is because he kills penalties. No one is a lock but the edge, slight as it is, might be with Landeskog right now.

Landeskog wasn't playing as well before Nuge went down either. Key stat for Nugent-Hopkins and Henrique are their point per game. Landeskog has a few more as mentioned above. Plus/minus, minutes, goals, takeaways and hits all are drastically in Landeskog's favor.

The one thing I love about Henrique, though, the thing that makes me want to vote for him is SHG. Four is amazing for any player. I love all three guys and deciding isn't easy. They are all making a huge case for it.

Closest race in years.
- martok2309

Landeskog only has more goals because he's played more minutes, flawed statistic there.

Also, those raving about the Devils being +10 and the Avs being -2 or something, the Avalanche have a better GF/GA ratio 5-on-5 which is the reason for Lando being +19 and Henrique being +10.

Nevertheless, the Avs didn't have a lot of energy, but they still played a solid game defensively. They limited most of the Devils chances and the chances they had, they were in the right place to minimize the shot or deflect the shot or pass. Devils played great also, it was really just a matter of two good systems and two teams playing their systems to a T colliding.

Every rookie has a shot. All of them are stars. However, for RNH to have a shot at winning I think he has to end up with at least 10 more points than anyone else. He is a great offensive player but to beat 2 players who are so much better Defensively, then his Offense really has to blow everyone else out of the water.

While I understand that he has played less games, Injury is a part of it. RNH is a smaller player who is very fast and plays a more perimeter game that synergies with his excellent vision. If he got hurt that sucks, but Gabe Crashed the net every single night and just gets beat on. So for you to say that Gabe has played 22 more games that RNH's points matter more, I say that Gabe playing 22 more games makes him a stronger candidate because of his style of play is so much more physical.