rival22
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Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY Joined: 02.27.2007
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I think Tortarella is recognized as a very good coach, but one that is pretty consistently tough on his players. He kinda reminds me of Therrien, excpect he's less of a jerk. Some players respond very well to this kind of pressure (ie, the 'I'm not your friend, I'm you coach approach') & love the results it can bring (ie, Brad Richards), but it can also mess up a player he's consistently ends up in the coach's dog house and can't figure out how to get out. Tortarella seems to provide the fire that drives his team forward more than most coaches.
Bylsma seems to take a more professional approach. I don't know if i've ever heard him yell or scream at a player for messing up. He just seems to sit them down, tell them that they screwed up, and to do better next next time. He treats his players like adults and expects them to be adults (ie, you make a mistake, you live with the consequences of it) in return. The downside of this approach is if the player/team isn't professional they can just be a huge baby and whine, moan, and complain all day long. Think of why we all didn't want Jagr on the team if he was going to be his usual drama-queen self.
Both approaches have their merits; I think it just comes down to what type of players you have on your team. Tortarella works for the Rangers as he cuts through all the NY media crap and brings the players down to earh like a rock if they don't do their job. He seems to want the W so badly that it drives his teams to want it too. Bylsma is just seems to be honest and upfront with his player. They have a job to do and he exepcts them to do it; If not, he'll hold them accountable for the consequences. - s0rcerer1984
Each style can work... for Bylsma's style to work, he needs to have low maintenance players who act like professionals (and team leaders who stress that).
While Torts' style obviously can produce great results, he (and coaches like him) have short shelf lives with teams. It seems like the calculated yelling and the generally gruff personality lose their effectiveness after a while. |
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ryman1566
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Location: Let's Go Pens, PA Joined: 02.06.2007
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One for gunner;
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
Source on the Mario Williams talks in Buffalo: "Getting closer to a deal."
One for everyone;
Josh Yohe @JoshYohe_Trib
Lundqvist questionable
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Ben37
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Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB Joined: 04.07.2010
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Oh please, I invited you to a game and this is how I'm repaid? You can go to a club afterwords, maybe catch a Broadway show, it'll be great fun!
In all seriousness, good luck tonight. - GioRock
I can't make it, I live 3,972km from MSG. |
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Gunner Staal
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY Joined: 04.19.2007
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One for gunner;
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
Source on the Mario Williams talks in Buffalo: "Getting closer to a deal."
One for everyone;
Josh Yohe @JoshYohe_Trib
Lundqvist questionable - ryman1566
Oh trust me, I have my finger on the pulse on that one! |
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dbell646
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 04.13.2009
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Really? Well, if that's true, than Sh*tsburgh must have the biggest collection of wimps this country has ever seen.
And yes, Ranger fans are well known for being pus*ies, come down to MSG and we'll show you - GioRock
Wow Internet thugs! Everyone is a tough guy online. I'm not sure what provoked this because I'm not reading back threw all the comments but I'll meet you half way. Philly work? |
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canadianpenfan
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Location: Calgary Joined: 05.13.2010
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[quote=Ben37]Nope, but you are the internet tough guy that challenge us all to come to MSG and see how Ranger fans treat us. - GioRock[/quote]
Oh please, I invited you to a game and this is how I'm repaid? You can go to a club afterwords, maybe catch a Broadway show, it'll be great fun!
In all seriousness, good luck tonight.
Do you have clubs in Teaneck, NJ? I didn't see it on the sign...
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madmike71
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 12.21.2006
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I think Tortarella is recognized as a very good coach, but one that is pretty consistently tough on his players. He kinda reminds me of Therrien, excpect he's less of a jerk. Some players respond very well to this kind of pressure (ie, the 'I'm not your friend, I'm you coach approach') & love the results it can bring (ie, Brad Richards), but it can also mess up a player he's consistently ends up in the coach's dog house and can't figure out how to get out. Tortarella seems to provide the fire that drives his team forward more than most coaches.
Bylsma seems to take a more professional approach. I don't know if i've ever heard him yell or scream at a player for messing up. He just seems to sit them down, tell them that they screwed up, and to do better next next time. He treats his players like adults and expects them to be adults (ie, you make a mistake, you live with the consequences of it) in return. The downside of this approach is if the player/team isn't professional they can just be a huge baby and whine, moan, and complain all day long. Think of why we all didn't want Jagr on the team if he was going to be his usual drama-queen self.
Both approaches have their merits; I think it just comes down to what type of players you have on your team. Tortarella works for the Rangers as he cuts through all the NY media crap and brings the players down to earh like a rock if they don't do their job. He seems to want the W so badly that it drives his teams to want it too. Bylsma is just seems to be honest and upfront with his player. They have a job to do and he exepcts them to do it; If not, he'll hold them accountable for the consequences. - s0rcerer1984
Torts is a good coach, but like Therrien, he has a limited shelf life. Players will tune him out sooner rather than later. I just hate coaches that get all emotional with every call or play. Like I got so sick of Bill Cowher with all his antics, contortions and spittle.
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ryman1566
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Location: Let's Go Pens, PA Joined: 02.06.2007
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Wow Internet thugs! Everyone is a tough guy online. I'm not sure what provoked this because I'm not reading back threw all the comments but I'll meet you half way. Philly work? - dbell646
After the events of the Winter Classic, I think Ranger fans might want to meet in Scranton instead of Philly |
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madmike71
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 12.21.2006
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Wow Internet thugs! Everyone is a tough guy online. I'm not sure what provoked this because I'm not reading back threw all the comments but I'll meet you half way. Philly work? - dbell646
I'll take some of the blame, but there was a rag fan here before my comments. I was just having a little fun to get a reaction. |
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GioRock
New York Rangers |
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Location: Teaneck, NJ Joined: 03.02.2009
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Do you have clubs in Teaneck, NJ? I didn't see it on the sign...
- canadianpenfan
Married a Jersey girl, but grew up in NYC, sorry to disappoint you |
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ryman1566
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Location: Let's Go Pens, PA Joined: 02.06.2007
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Awesome sports day/weekend
Williams decision for Bills, Manning decision, March Maddness, NBA Trade deadline (yes, the NBA isn't a cup of tea for all of us....but trade deadlines are always interesting) and Pens/Rags.
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Gunner Staal
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Location: @gunnerstaal @Hockey_Hurts hoc, NY Joined: 04.19.2007
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Awesome sports day/weekend
Williams decision for Bills, Manning decision, March Maddness, NBA Trade deadline (yes, the NBA isn't a cup of tea for all of us....but trade deadlines are always interesting) and Pens/Rags. - ryman1566
Is that decision for sure today? |
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GioRock
New York Rangers |
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Location: Teaneck, NJ Joined: 03.02.2009
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I'll take some of the blame, but there was a rag fan here before my comments. I was just having a little fun to get a reaction. - madmike71
Mission Accomplished!
No more trolling, not my style really, like said before, good luck tonight.
Edit: Just to let you guys know, I travel to Pittsburgh for business all the time as we have a business unit there. I actually like the fans, they're really cool. |
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ryman1566
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Location: Let's Go Pens, PA Joined: 02.06.2007
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Is that decision for sure today? - Gunner Staal
I would venture by the weekend, but I've seen a couple of tweets suggesting that today could be the day. |
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dbell646
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 04.13.2009
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Let's really up the hate for NY fans. Anyone want to share their thoughts on Graves slash of Mario's wrist? And they cry about Cooke's dirty play!! |
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MadCap2008
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Location: Brambleton, VA Joined: 06.02.2007
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I don't get the criticism of Torts. I think he handles the refs well. He is generally very calm when speaking with them during the game. Every coach in the league gets upset at the officiating from time to time. I'm sure Bylsma doesn't always just smile and wink when a a call goes against the Pens.
And as for Cooke, I have to admit he's done a great job changing his game but it's a case of too little too late. He's done too much damage to get a pass from fans of other teams. Similar to how pretty much everyone feels/felt about Avery. - gkmkiller
Just don't get a seat behind him when he has quick/easy access to a water bottle. |
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canadianpenfan
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Location: Calgary Joined: 05.13.2010
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Let's really up the hate for NY fans. Anyone want to share their thoughts on Graves slash of Mario's wrist? And they cry about Cooke's dirty play!! - dbell646
I think by the end of the night it will be as high as possible.
Who do you like to win it all? I'm going upset with Florida State. They really impressed me in the ACC tourney. |
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kgrpitt
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Location: PA Joined: 09.08.2010
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I think by the end of the night it will be as high as possible.
Who do you like to win it all? I'm going upset with Florida State. They really impressed me in the ACC tourney. - canadianpenfan
I'm a UK fan so my choice is obvious. haha |
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MadCap2008
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Location: Brambleton, VA Joined: 06.02.2007
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I think by the end of the night it will be as high as possible.
Who do you like to win it all? I'm going upset with Florida State. They really impressed me in the ACC tourney. - canadianpenfan
Final Four : Kentucky, Missouri, Florida State and Kansas -- Kentucky over Kansas in the final. |
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ryman1566
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Location: Let's Go Pens, PA Joined: 02.06.2007
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I think by the end of the night it will be as high as possible.
Who do you like to win it all? I'm going upset with Florida State. They really impressed me in the ACC tourney. - canadianpenfan
Final Four: Baylor, Ohio State, North Carolina, and Missouri.
Final: UNC over Baylor |
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canadianpenfan
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Location: Calgary Joined: 05.13.2010
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Final Four : Kentucky, Missouri, Florida State and Kansas -- Kentucky over Kansas in the final. - MadCap2008
You're really going out on a limb there |
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canadianpenfan
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Location: Calgary Joined: 05.13.2010
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Final Four: Baylor, Ohio State, North Carolina, and Missouri.
Final: UNC over Baylor - ryman1566
Baylor is a crapshoot. Some games they look like they can beat anyone and others they look terrible. |
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kgrpitt
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Location: PA Joined: 09.08.2010
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You're really going out on a limb there - canadianpenfan
Well that is what going to happen so no reason to deviate from that. |
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canadianpenfan
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Location: Calgary Joined: 05.13.2010
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Well that is what going to happen so no reason to deviate from that. - kgrpitt
I have Kentucky losing to F.State in the final. The other 2 in my final four are Kansas and Mich.State. So I'm not much that much of a risk taker either |
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ryman1566
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Location: Let's Go Pens, PA Joined: 02.06.2007
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Josh Yohe @JoshYohe_Trib
Biron to start. Lunqvist will back him up
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