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RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 14 @ 4:57 PM ET
Hayes is a condescending douche. Reminds me of Bill Conlin. He has that, "I am superior to you in every way and Im not afraid to show you" demeanor. When he is on DNL I basically turn it off.
- MBFlyerfan


You mean the "Im a child rapist, therefore I'm better then you attitude?"
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 4:58 PM ET
Well, I am. And Bill knows how much I love him.
- bodiva88


teachers pet
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:00 PM ET
Yes, we know.




- Flyskippy

Sorry I saw the horse twitch a few times and wanted to make sure it was dead.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:00 PM ET
So now, the media are ripping Bryz for not showing his personality.

Hey Marcus Hayes, suck my balls.


http://www.philly.com/phi...6529953&posted=n#comments

- MBFlyerfan

Kills goose. Whines about missing the omelettes.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:01 PM ET
You mean the "Im a child rapist, therefore I'm better then you attitude?"
- RooNosHockey

So he acts like Michael Jackson and Jerry Sandusky?
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:02 PM ET
teachers pet
- ob18


REF FIGHT!!!!!

Let's get it on..... Ding Ding....

And Ob lands the first jab... Sends Bo reeling...
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:03 PM ET

- Flyskippy


bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:05 PM ET
REF FIGHT!!!!!

Let's get it on..... Ding Ding....

And Ob lands the first jab... Sends Bo reeling...

- RooNosHockey

Pfft.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:05 PM ET
Again it will come down to him and his preference. Will he go to Columbus, or the Icelanders, for $4.5, or take less to play in Philly. Will it be worth it to him to make maybe a little less and have a chance at a cup every year. Or make more and finish in last.

Not saying this WILL happen or that those teams will even make offers like that. I am just relying on human nature in that, when you are talking about that kind of money, a little less to win would be my choice every time.

Again this is just an opinion. Based on my own competitive nature.

- MBFlyerfan


That's the one variable that you can't really tell. What does the player want. Grossmann may love it here, and be willing to take less then he can get on the open market. It doesn't happen a lot. But it does happen.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Mar 14 @ 5:07 PM ET
That's the one variable that you can't really tell. What does the player want. Grossmann may love it here, and be willing to take less then he can get on the open market. It doesn't happen a lot. But it does happen.
- MJL


Quickly becoming one of my favorite players not only on the D but the whole team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:07 PM ET
I thought since he's a RFA it's a matter of the FLyers making a qualifying offer.
- JoeRussomanno


A Qualifying Offer if Voracek accepts it would result in a one year deal. Voracek doesn't have to accept it. He can also file for Arbitration.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:08 PM ET
Quickly becoming one of my favorite players not only on the D but the whole team.
- flyer_nutter

Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Mar 14 @ 5:10 PM ET
Bryzgalov's "cold" demeanor with the media is all a big, calculated act. As Timonen said last night (and Bryzgalov himself said on 24/7) when asked for the umpteenth time about Bryzgalov's personality, Bryzgalov puts on one face for the media and another in the locker room among his teammates.

Right now, I guarantee you that Bryzgalov is having more fun playing the "I don't want to talk about me" game than he did during the months while the team PR guys were assigned to stand guard and limit his media availability time so that he didn't say the "wrong" things.

He's playing great, his teammates now have a world of confidence in him and the more he scowls and ducks as many interviews as possible, the more he's more or less left alone to stay in his zone.

Not a bad tradeoff when the results have been so dramatic on the ice.

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:10 PM ET
A Qualifying Offer if Voracek accepts it would result in a one year deal. Voracek doesn't have to accept it. He can also file for Arbitration.
- MJL

how do you think he would fare in arbitration? Personally I don't see him doing better in arbitration than what the qualifying offer would get him.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:10 PM ET
I wonder about what Voracek re-signs for.
I bet there will be a large difference between the starting points between the team and the player's agent.

- Marc D


I was just about to say the same thing.... I could see a Giroux type deal but maybe, hopefully not, a JVR deal.

Not fully related but interesting: Don't look now but Carter has 7 points in 9 games with the Kings: http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8470604

2 points behind Voracek with many less games (20 goals in 48 games). Richards still doing the small things but not contributing on the scoreboard as of late.

Edit: Of course the most important thins is that the Flyers are locked in the POs in the East while LA is 10th. They are still very much in striking distance being tied for 8th. All teams in the West competing for that 8th place are playing well while San Jose is dead in the water (sorry for the pun). The West PO race is as good as it gets.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:12 PM ET
how do you think he would fare in arbitration? Personally I don't see him doing better in arbitration than what the qualifying offer would get him.
- JoeRussomanno


He would do much better in arbitration most likely. A Q offer would only be a 10% raise.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:13 PM ET
Pfft.
- bodiva88


Oh, and Bo shakes the blow off with cold indifference... almost taunting Ob to take another shot! This is shaping up to be a doozie!
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:14 PM ET
Bryzgalov's "cold" demeanor with the media is all a big, calculated act. As Timonen said last night (and Bryzgalov himself said on 24/7) when asked for the umpteenth time about Bryzgalov's personality, Bryzgalov puts on one face for the media and another in the locker room among his teammates.

Right now, I guarantee you that Bryzgalov is having more fun playing the "I don't want to talk about me" game than he did during the months while the team PR guys were assigned to stand guard and limit his media availability time so that he didn't say the "wrong" things.

He's playing great, his teammates now have a world of confidence in him and the more he scowls and ducks as many interviews as possible, the more he's more or less left alone to stay in his zone.

Not a bad tradeoff when the results have been so dramatic on the ice.

- bmeltzer


Bill, would it be possible at one point maybe after the season is over, for someone to get an interview with him where perhaps some real questions could be asked like "Was there a change in his approach?" "What if anything did you work to improve with his game?" etc. None of this so when you shower do you do so with a bag over your head so your team mates see your shame. While on the road do you have to sleep in the hotel closet because no one likes you?

I find this season of his very perplexing as a fan and think that a real learning experience could be made of it.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:15 PM ET
He would do much better in arbitration most likely. A Q offer would only be a 10% raise.
- MJL

Really? I wouldn't think so but if you say so.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:16 PM ET
Really? I wouldn't think so but if you say so.
- JoeRussomanno


Why wouldn't you think so Joe? Do you know how Qualifying offers work?

And what a Qualifying Offer is really for?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:17 PM ET
So he acts like Michael Jackson and Jerry Sandusky?
- JoeRussomanno

mj was proven innocent bro
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:17 PM ET
Why wouldn't you think so Joe? Do you know how Qualifying offers work?

And what a Qualifying Offer is really for?

- MJL

I know its a percentage of the player's current salary or predetermined etc. However I don't exactly know how an arbitrator goes about awarding other than evaluating a player's performance. How exactly they do that I imagine is going off his statistics. Voracek isn't exactly Steven Stamkos so I'm not sure what an arbitrator would give him.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:18 PM ET
Bill, would it be possible at one point maybe after the season is over, for someone to get an interview with him where perhaps some real questions could be asked like "Was there a change in his approach?" "What if anything did you work to improve with his game?" etc. None of this so when you shower do you do so with a bag over your head so your team mates see your shame. While on the road do you have to sleep in the hotel closet because no one likes you?

I find this season of his very perplexing as a fan and think that a real learning experience could be made of it.

- JoeRussomanno


I love Bryz on the ice, but I get nervious everytime he steps in front of the mic...
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Mar 14 @ 5:18 PM ET
mj was proven innocent bro
- Crimsoninja

yea uh huh.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Mar 14 @ 5:18 PM ET
Bryzgalov's "cold" demeanor with the media is all a big, calculated act. As Timonen said last night (and Bryzgalov himself said on 24/7) when asked for the umpteenth time about Bryzgalov's personality, Bryzgalov puts on one face for the media and another in the locker room among his teammates.

Right now, I guarantee you that Bryzgalov is having more fun playing the "I don't want to talk about me" game than he did during the months while the team PR guys were assigned to stand guard and limit his media availability time so that he didn't say the "wrong" things.

He's playing great, his teammates now have a world of confidence in him and the more he scowls and ducks as many interviews as possible, the more he's more or less left alone to stay in his zone.

Not a bad tradeoff when the results have been so dramatic on the ice.

- bmeltzer

its great

its basically the same thing Pronger did, but Bryz keeps a straightface the whole time and never drops the act

i love it
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