Watching the Ducks again tonight.

Why couldn't we get Teemu at the deadline

Most believe it is a 2 QB draft (some even like RGIII better than Luck). St Louis had leverage because both Cleveland and the Redskins apparently wanted RGIII. No doubting it was a lot to give up, but if RGIII pans out, then it will have been worth it. The Redskins you are describing, BTW, are pre-Shanahan. He traded down last year, collecting draft picks and used quite of few of them wisely. This trade is going to be a hit to their ability to add depth, but what the hell good is depth if you have Rex Grossman passing the ball to the other team all of the time.

Cleveland can keep their picks, maybe take a flyer on a Ryan Tannehill, and continue to toil in last place in that division. Cincy is on the rise, and Pittsburgh and Baltimore are always good. I'd rather my team take a chance than accept sucking indefinitely.
- MadCap2008

IF RGIII is truly a franchise quarterback, it's worth it. If he turns out to be a bust, wow, it will be devastating. Big gamble, but probably worth it because a team will never consistently win without consistency at the most important position.

The Skins have done some good things since Shanahan signed on and he's brought some credibility to that team. He probably told Mr. moneybags to shut up, stay out of my way and just write the checks.

Fedorov was really good also.
- MadCap2008

Best video game player of all time.

He was pretty great in real hockey too.

It's fact. And they cheated to get crosby
- dbell646

Don't forget that Liemieux was sent here by aliens too.

Watching the Ducks again tonight.

Why couldn't we get Teemu at the deadline
- nhindian

IF RGIII is truly a franchise quarterback, it's worth it. If he turns out to be a bust, wow, it will be devastating. Big gamble, but probably worth it because a team will never consistently win without consistency at the most important position.

The Skins have done some good things since Shanahan signed on and he's brought some credibility to that team. He probably told Mr. moneybags to shut up, stay out of my way and just write the checks.
- madmike71

There was an article online yesterday about how the Cowboys and Skins are having their cap impacted substantially this year because of violations in contract structure during the uncapped year. Skins are losing 36mil of available cap space next year, or they can split it between the next 2 years. Effectively their total available cap space is no longer 120mil but closer to 100 if they split between 2 yrs. That is why they did the trade for RG3. Under the new cba, the rookie max will make him a cheaper option than manning on a cap strapped team.

There was an article online yesterday about how the Cowboys and Skins are having their cap impacted substantially this year because of violations in contract structure during the uncapped year. Skins are losing 36mil of available cap space next year, or they can split it between the next 2 years. Effectively their total available cap space is no longer 120mil but closer to 100 if they split between 2 yrs. That is why they did the trade for RG3. Under the new cba, the rookie max will make him a cheaper option than manning on a cap strapped team.
- Rawdog9755

I think it is BS. The year was uncapped and they should be allowed to spend however they wanted during that season. NFL is using awful judgement by punishing both teams.

I think it is BS. The year was uncapped and they should be allowed to spend however they wanted during that season. NFL is using awful judgement by punishing both teams.
- Gunner Staal

Regardless of whether the NFL should or shouldnt, there is no denying the link between the trade for RG3 and the negative impact on the cap. They cant afford Manning this year or next because of the cap decrease they are facing. A rookie contract that will be capped by league rules for a year or two makes a lot more sense and when he is ready for his next contract their cap issues will be past.

it seems so dead lately around here

it seems so dead lately around here
- stayinthefnnet

4 days off is usually tough this late in the year as far as topics. I know Crosby is coming back but what else is there to add that everybody hasn't beaten to death.

NFL free agency has my attention today.

4 days off is usually tough this late in the year as far as topics. I know Crosby is coming back but what else is there to add that everybody hasn't beaten to death.

NFL free agency has my attention today.
- Gunner Staal

true. thats a fine topic for banter if there is nothing else. just trying to kill some time before class

4 days off is usually tough this late in the year as far as topics. I know Crosby is coming back but what else is there to add that everybody hasn't beaten to death.

NFL free agency has my attention today.
- Gunner Staal

true. thats a fine topic for banter if there is nothing else. just trying to kill some time before class

its fine, my multiple post efforts should help make up the difference...

true. thats a fine topic for banter if there is nothing else. just trying to kill some time before class
- stayinthefnnet

For some reason I think the Bills are actually going to try and be aggressive for a change.

Martin, Crosby and Letang all at practice for the Pens

For some reason I think the Bills are actually going to try and be aggressive for a change.
- Gunner Staal

really? who would you have them target? what on that roster do you think is worthwhile and what would you fix? (within reason obviously)

Regardless of whether the NFL should or shouldnt, there is no denying the link between the trade for RG3 and the negative impact on the cap. They cant afford Manning this year or next because of the cap decrease they are facing. A rookie contract that will be capped by league rules for a year or two makes a lot more sense and when he is ready for his next contract their cap issues will be past.
- Rawdog9755

For what it's worth, the "word" here is that the Redskins were interested in Manning but that the interest wasn't mutual. I think RGIII was the right way to go regardless.

As for the cap penalty, it seems harsh on the surface, but if two guys were likely to have disregarded warnings, etc, you would find no more likely candidates than Snyder and Jones (maybe Al Davis also, but I'm not sure he would have known what an uncapped year even meant at that point). As a Redskin fan, I feel that we've already been penalized enough having had to deal with that sack of poop Haynesworth for a couple of disastrous seasons.

really? who would you have them target? what on that roster do you think is worthwhile and what would you fix? (within reason obviously)
- stayinthefnnet

Mario Williams, give him whatever he wants. Vincent Jackson. All NFL teams make money hand over fist, even the small markets. No reason to be a cheapskate owner like Ralph Wilson, who bought the team for like 250k in the 60's. I think the Bills are worth at least 900M now according to Forbes.

Mario Williams, give him whatever he wants. Vincent Jackson. All NFL teams make money hand over fist, even the small markets. No reason to be a cheapskate owner like Ralph Wilson, who bought the team for like 250k in the 60's. I think the Bills are worth at least 900M now according to Forbes.
- Gunner Staal

Is the 'Lights Out' experiment over?

Mario Williams, give him whatever he wants. Vincent Jackson. All NFL teams make money hand over fist, even the small markets. No reason to be a cheapskate owner like Ralph Wilson, who bought the team for like 250k in the 60's. I think the Bills are worth at least 900M now according to Forbes.
- Gunner Staal

mario is going to make a boatload wherever he goes. vincent jackson is talented but ive never really been a fan. yeah your owner does seem a little on the penny pinching side, which is rough because you need to spend to be competitive in the NFL, more so than the NHL i think

For what it's worth, the "word" here is that the Redskins were interested in Manning but that the interest wasn't mutual. I think RGIII was the right way to go regardless.

As for the cap penalty, it seems harsh on the surface, but if two guys were likely to have disregarded warnings, etc, you would find no more likely candidates than Snyder and Jones (maybe Al Davis also, but I'm not sure he would have known what an uncapped year even meant at that point). As a Redskin fan, I feel that we've already been penalized enough having had to deal with that sack of poop Haynesworth for a couple of disastrous seasons.
- MadCap2008

Great QB's can take mediocre teams to high places. I have no problem with the Redskins trying to solidify the most important position in the sport with a guy they obviously believe in. If it doesn't work, so be it, you are nowhere in this league without a top end QB. They werent going to get one otherwise. I wish the Bills would have done something like that. Bills last few 1st round picks:

2002 Mike Williams (One of the biggest busts ever)
2003 Willis McGahee Crap, never take a RB in round 1
2004 J.P. Losman (traded up to get this bag of sh*t with their 2005 1st rounder)
2004 Lee Evans Crap, never had anyone to throw him the ball
2005 No 1st Round Pick
2006 Donte Whitner (Best tackler in the NFL of receivers who are already in endzone)
2006 John McCargo (Played next to Mario Williams in college, BUST we also traded up to select him)
2007 Marshawn Lynch Crap, never take a RB in round 1
2008 Leodis McKelvin Crap, cant cover anybody
2009 Aaron Maybin Crap, undersized and unmotivated
2010 CJ Spiller Crap, never take a RB in round 1
2011 Marcell Dareus Great pick, but one that was dictated for them

Mel Kiper could have the Bills in a way better spot than what they have done.

To me if you are a team like the Bills, you obviously cant draft worth a damn, get your franchise QB and go from there How else do you explain taking 3 RBs in round 1 in 7 years? A position that is a dime a dozen these days in a passing league.

Great QB's can take mediocre teams to high places. I have no problem with the Redskins trying to solidify the most important position in the sport with a guy they obviously believe in. If it doesn't work, so be it, you are nowhere in this league without a top end QB. They werent going to get one otherwise. I wish the Bills would have done something like that. Bills last few 1st round picks:

2002 Mike Williams (One of the biggest busts ever)
2003 Willis McGahee Crap, never take a RB in round 1
2004 J.P. Losman (traded up to get this bag of sh*t with their 2005 1st rounder)
2004 Lee Evans Crap, never had anyone to throw him the ball
2005 No 1st Round Pick
2006 Donte Whitner (Best tackler in the NFL of receivers who are already in endzone)
2006 John McCargo (Played next to Mario Williams in college, BUST we also traded up to select him)
2007 Marshawn Lynch Crap, never take a RB in round 1
2008 Leodis McKelvin Crap, cant cover anybody
2009 Aaron Maybin Crap, undersized and unmotivated
2010 CJ Spiller Crap, never take a RB in round 1
2011 Marcell Dareus Great pick, but one that was dictated for them

Mel Kiper could have the Bills in a way better spot than what they have done.

To me if you are a team like the Bills, you obviously cant draft worth a damn, get your franchise QB and go from there How else do you explain taking 3 RBs in round 1 in 7 years? A position that is a dime a dozen these days in a passing league.
- Gunner Staal

yeah that is rough. i always thought evans had talent back when he started though. the quarterback position is a crapshoot on draft day, but its always worth the risk. if they dont pan out, i undestand its a bad draft pick wasted. but you have to try until you connect because you can only go so far in this league with a mediocre one. (unless the rest of your team is stacked, but even then it is difficult)

haha does this mean youre not sold on fitzpatrick as the savior?