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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:00 PM ET
Keeping one's house, maybe. Just maybe.
- Flyskippy


Well, then they're not real fans. Mortgage payment versus watching Joey MacDonald play?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 12 @ 5:00 PM ET
To me Finesse has nothing to do with his personality, and more to do with the way he handles the puck.... But according to you i guess that makes Giroux a power forward?
- RooNosHockey



I'm not discussing personality. I'm discussing how a player plays the game, on the ice. Nor did I come any where close to saying Giroux is a Power Forward.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 12 @ 5:00 PM ET
Keeping one's house, maybe. Just maybe.
- Flyskippy

$200 would probably be a suitable down payment out there
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 12 @ 5:01 PM ET
In this economy, Detroit's has sucked. Please pontificate on theirs for a while. They're a recent opponent, too.
- Flyskippy


Detroit fills 100% of their arena on average.... according to ESPN Attendance statistics.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:02 PM ET
Nail Yakupov is done for the season per Sam Cosentino of Sportsnet
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:03 PM ET
Finesse means a guy who plays a game without much contact. Giroux hits people and doesn't shy away from contact. Phil Kessel is a finesse player. Giroux isn't.
- Jsaquella


If that's the definition of "finesse", then I 'd agree. Jagr and Briere fit that description more so that Giroux.

Although G plays with an edge at times, I'd still consider him a finesse player because of his offensive skills.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Mar 12 @ 5:04 PM ET
Nail Yakupov is done for the season per Sam Cosentino of Sportsnet
- Jsaquella

Reasons unknown of yet?
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:06 PM ET
Reasons unknown of yet?
- BulliesPhan87


Believed to be a concussion.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 12 @ 5:07 PM ET
Nail Yakupov is done for the season per Sam Cosentino of Sportsnet
- Jsaquella


That was a brutal hit, did the player get suspended or anything?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:07 PM ET
If that's the definition of "finesse", then I 'd agree. Jagr and Briere fit that description more so that Giroux.

Although G plays with an edge at times, I'd still consider him a finesse player because of his offensive skills.

- 77rams


When I think of finesse guys, I definitely think more of guys that either have no phyical element to their game or actively avoid contact. Giroux can certainly play a finesse game, but I feel he's far to active physically to be tagged as a finesse guy...all opinion.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:08 PM ET
That was a brutal hit, did the player get suspended or anything?
- ob18


Not yet.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 12 @ 5:08 PM ET
If that's the definition of "finesse", then I 'd agree. Jagr and Briere fit that description more so that Giroux.

Although G plays with an edge at times, I'd still consider him a finesse player because of his offensive skills.

- 77rams


Yea, if finesse means soft, then I guess Giroux isnt a finesse player. But I cant help but think finesse has more to do with how you handle the puck and skate then it does with lack of hitting and defense....

I mean tell me Giroux doesnt play with finesse after that shout-out goal... or when he pirouettes around a defender, or the way he stick handles, and threads passes though needle holes... To me his skill show more finesse then anything....
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:08 PM ET
That was a brutal hit, did the player get suspended or anything?
- ob18


I have yet to see any announcement of discipline. But I'd bet he's getting something

Also, the CHL regular season ends in a week, so it's not as if Yakupov is done for a month or three-right now it's a week.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 12 @ 5:10 PM ET
I have yet to see any announcement of discipline. But I'd bet he's getting something
- Jsaquella


Was it a legal Kronwall hit?
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:11 PM ET
When I think of finesse guys, I definitely think more of guys that either have no phyical element to their game or actively avoid contact. Giroux can certainly play a finesse game, but I feel he's far to active physically to be tagged as a finesse guy...all opinion.
- Jsaquella


It's in how you define it, I guess.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 12 @ 5:12 PM ET
It's in how you define it, I guess.
- 77rams

Agreed.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Mar 12 @ 5:13 PM ET
It's in how you define it, I guess.
- 77rams


P.S. We should all go check NHL12 and see what they have him labeled as...
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:13 PM ET
Was it a legal Kronwall hit?
- RooNosHockey


The OHL has a strict no headshots rule, so the hit was in violation of that. Under Rule 48 in the NHL, I think that it would have gotten a game or two. Unlike Voracek, Yakupov didn't turn at all(however slight the turn was) immediately before contact. His head was down for bit and he didn't make an immediate move to make himself more vulnerable
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:14 PM ET
It's in how you define it, I guess.
- 77rams


Yes. He certainly has an element to his game that is finesse. But so did Bobby Clarke, and Clarkie wasn't no finesse player
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 12 @ 5:16 PM ET
Yea, if finesse means soft, then I guess Giroux isnt a finesse player. But I cant help but think finesse has more to do with how you handle the puck and skate then it does with lack of hitting and defense....

I mean tell me Giroux doesnt play with finesse after that shout-out goal... or when he pirouettes around a defender, or the way he stick handles, and threads passes though needle holes... To me his skill show more finesse then anything....

- RooNosHockey


Finesse has nothing to do with being soft. Giroux is elite with the puck. He can make pretty much every play there is to make. But he is not what I would call a finesse player. Carle is a finesse defenseman. Carter was a finesse forward. Briere is a finesse forward.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:16 PM ET
Brian Burke is mad because the other GM's dismissed his Bear Hug rule out of hand.

It's an interesting proposal-it would allow guys who are going for a hit to simply wrap a guy up prior to contact, to make the hit less impactful.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:17 PM ET
Finesse has nothing to do with being soft. Giroux is elite with the puck. He can make pretty much every play there is to make. But he is not what I would call a finesse player. Carle is a finesse defenseman. Carter was a finesse forward. Briere is a finesse forward.
- MJL


You said it better than me.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:17 PM ET
P.S. We should all go check NHL12 and see what they have him labeled as...
- RooNosHockey


Finesse with benefits?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:18 PM ET
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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Mar 12 @ 5:18 PM ET
Finesse with benefits?
- 77rams


Playmaker.

Other options are Sniper, Power Forward, Two Way Forward, Enforcer, Grinder.
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