Flames up 3-0 after 1 lol now 3-2 gonna blow another 3 goal lead

Flames up 3-0 after 1 lol now 3-2 gonna blow another 3 goal lead
- Slammed81

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Flames up 3-0 after 1 lol now 3-2 gonna blow another 3 goal lead
- Slammed81

Feaster said after the deadline he's working his plan. If he plan is hitting every buffet in Western Canada, he's succeeding.

I think that's a really good idea. I'm sure he is doing something to that end. I would think that a team that has given up the first goal of the game as many times as they have recently, would be looking to fix that. And be ready to play at the opening puck drop.
- MJL

You know what I am starting to agree.

I have zero issue with how the Flyers play offensively. They are a forecheck first team.

However that doesnt mean that the forwards shouldnt hustle back and defend. Its not even that a lot of the time. Its just horrible decision making in their own zone. Leaving guys open, and not taking up lanes. Feeble stick sweeping. That IS something Lava has to improve on with the team. I dont see them turning into defensive specialists even if they got a really defensive minded guy in here. The team is built for offense, but does need to work on the defensve game. Lava needs to make sure each guy knows his role in the defensive zone first and foremost.

Flyers need to collapse down more to their net. One flaw I do see is the forwards are often far too high up, leaving guys open in the slot area.

Failing to mark a man by the forwards in the defensive zone is the biggest issue I think. Staring at a puck battle waiting for a puck to pop out to start a rush, rather than staying attentive and locating a potentially dangerous man to check him.

You know what I am starting to agree.

I have zero issue with how the Flyers play offensively. They are a forecheck first team.

However that doesnt mean that the forwards shouldnt hustle back and defend. Its not even that a lot of the time. Its just horrible decision making in their own zone. Leaving guys open, and not taking up lanes. Feeble stick sweeping. That IS something Lava has to improve on with the team. I dont see them turning into defensive specialists even if they got a really defensive minded guy in here. The team is built for offense, but does need to work on the defensve game. Lava needs to make sure each guy knows his role in the defensive zone first and foremost.

Flyers need to collapse down more to their net. One flaw I do see is the forwards are often far too high up, leaving guys open in the slot area.
- flyer_nutter

I agree with pretty much everything you've said. With the exception of having zero issue with the way the Flyers play as a forecheck first team. In my opinion, they can't win playing like that. The team has taken on the mentality of it's Coach, and it shows in their play. That mentality changing is the first step that has to happen. And it has to start behind the bench.

Failing to mark a man by the forwards in the defensive zone is the biggest issue I think. Staring at a puck battle waiting for a puck to pop out to start a rush, rather than staying attentive and locating a potentially dangerous man to check him.
- Just5

The first goal of the game is a perfect example. The Flyers were out manned on the puck, 3 to 2. Isles won the puck, Meszaros was forced to leave the front of the net to challenge the Isles player coming out of the corner with the puck. And Rinaldo stood there with a real nice view of the goal being scored. He had the right circle covered IF, there was somebody actually there to cover. Wonder how much he paid for his ticket for such a good seat to watch the action?

Failing to mark a man by the forwards in the defensive zone is the biggest issue I think. Staring at a puck battle waiting for a puck to pop out to start a rush, rather than staying attentive and locating a potentially dangerous man to check him.
- Just5

There really aren't very many defensive minded forwards on the team. When you have a lineup with as much skill as the Flyers have you are going to be lacking somewhat in that area.

I agree with pretty much everything you've said. With the exception of having zero issue with the way the Flyers play as a forecheck first team. In my opinion, they can't win playing like that. The team has taken on the mentality of it's Coach, and it shows in their play. That mentality changing is the first step that has to happen. And it has to start behind the bench.
- MJL

See the thing is, I obviously prefer offensive minded teams. I think you can dictate play more that way.

On the other hand, if the Flyers had more responsible forwards and more solid/consistent goaltending I would be totally for a more defensive approach overall.

At this time though, I believe Bryz is still finding his confidence and the Flyers forwards would get worn down playing defense first. They arent the kind of guys Boston has.

You have to play to your strengths. I have questioned the total makeup of the forwards. They need more guys with size and defensive awareness. Even if it sacrifices some scoring.

Chicago was not a defense first team. They were hard on the forecheck and a team with great net presence. Got fairly solid goaltending and the forwards were defensively responsible.

Those are the kinds of team I believe are best. There are many different ways to win.

There really aren't very many defensive minded forwards on the team. When you have a lineup with as much skill as the Flyers have you are going to be lacking somewhat in that area.
- PLindbergh31

The Flyers have plenty of players capable of playing much better defensively. You don't have to be a defensive specialist to execute basic defensive zone coverage. How many defensive specialists are on the Rangers? The difference is that the Coach demands they all play well defensively.

See the thing is, I obviously prefer offensive minded teams. I think you can dictate play more that way.

On the other hand, if the Flyers had more responsible forwards and more solid/consistent goaltending I would be totally for a more defensive approach overall.

At this time though, I believe Bryz is still finding his confidence and the Flyers forwards would get worn down playing defense first. They arent the kind of guys Boston has.

You have to play to your strengths. I have questioned the total makeup of the forwards. They need more guys with size and defensive awareness. Even if it sacrifices some scoring.
- flyer_nutter

It's the opposite in my opinion. A team committed to team defense, checking, and puck support, will dictate play to an offensive team like the Flyers, the overwhelming majority of times. History tells you that. All you have to do is look at the Flyers-Rangers matchups this year.

Bryz sucks

bryz was rock solid tonite and that's what we need. the flyers zone coverage was awful at times, but that's nothing new.

See the thing is, I obviously prefer offensive minded teams. I think you can dictate play more that way.

On the other hand, if the Flyers had more responsible forwards and more solid/consistent goaltending I would be totally for a more defensive approach overall.

At this time though, I believe Bryz is still finding his confidence and the Flyers forwards would get worn down playing defense first. They arent the kind of guys Boston has.

You have to play to your strengths. I have questioned the total makeup of the forwards. They need more guys with size and defensive awareness. Even if it sacrifices some scoring.

Chicago was not a defense first team. They were hard on the forecheck and a team with great net presence. Got fairly solid goaltending and the forwards were defensively responsible.

Those are the kinds of team I believe are best. There are many different ways to win.
- flyer_nutter

That team had 2 lock down centers in the defensive zone though in Bolland and Toews. I think the Flyers can get there with the development of Schenn and Couturier. Right now those two are way to inconsistent and it's to be expected

bryz was rock solid tonite and that's what we need. the flyers zone coverage was awful at times, but that's nothing new.
- isaiah520

He made some tough saves, didn't allow any soft goals. Even when he plays fairly well his save % goes down.

The Flyers have plenty of players capable of playing much better defensively. You don't have to be a defensive specialist to execute basic defensive zone coverage. How many defensive specialists are on the Rangers? The difference is that the Coach demans they all play well defensively.
- MJL

Couldnt agree more. Said that earlier today.Basic fundamentals. Why is it that complicated for the forwards to be defensive minded as well? You have to demand it from your players.

The first goal of the game is a perfect example. The Flyers were out manned on the puck, 3 to 2. Isles won the puck, Meszaros was forced to leave the front of the net to challenge the Isles player coming out of the corner with the puck. And Rinaldo stood there with a real nice view of the goal being scored. He had the right circle covered IF, there was somebody actually there to cover. Wonder how much he paid for his ticket for such a good seat to watch the action?
- MJL

The flyers give up far too many mini 3v2 down low breaks. Lots of the goals scored against are because of an unmarked 3rd man (not picked up by a forward)

Ps welcome back

That team had 2 lock down centers in the defensive zone though in Bolland and Toews. I think the Flyers can get there with the development of Schenn and Couturier. Right now those two are way to inconsistent and it's to be expected
- Just5

Not sure about Schenn, but definitely Couturier in that area. Biggest area where they miss two players who aren't here anymore.

He made some tough saves, didn't allow any soft goals. Even when he plays fairly well his save % goes down.
- PLindbergh31

Exactly why stats don't always tell the whole story

He made some tough saves, didn't allow any soft goals. Even when he plays fairly well his save % goes down.
- PLindbergh31

some nights it goes that way, but if he stays in this zone it'll work out.

Im glad were all on the same page tonight. We all should be in that locker room, behind that bench. I guarantee we make Cup winners out of these men

Exactly why stats don't always tell the whole story
- jak521

They don't all the time. He's strung about 10 good periods out of his last 12. He showing signs of improving. He didn't have a lot of work in the game, but he stopped some high quality shots.

Some of these defensive breakdowns and it wouldn't matter who the goaltender is.

Im glad were all on the same page tonight. We all should be in that locker room, behind that bench. I guarantee we make Cup winners out of these men
- Just5

I can't speak for anyone else, but myself. But if I was capable of that, I wouldn't be typing on HB. I'd already be in the room and behind the bench. Big difference between being able to see it and knowing what the issues are. Versus actually being able to fix it.

some nights it goes that way, but if he stays in this zone it'll work out.
- isaiah520

Yeah. He's been better. He had a bad first period in Calgary. And allowed one soft goal in Edmonton. But he was solid in SJ, and tonight.

They don't all the time. He's strung about 10 good periods out of his last 12. He showing signs of improving. He didn't have a lot of work in the game, but he stopped some high quality shots.

Some of these defensive breakdowns and it wouldn't matter who the goaltender is.
- PLindbergh31

The Flyers make it look impossible to play good defense. Basic fundamentals. How hard is it to backcheck and be defensive minded as a forward? 20 games left and the same issues continue to happen. Take pride in being good at both ends.