RW should be fired, not cause he's a bad coach, but more for the fact the team isn't responding to him anymore.

A new coach is NOT going to help matters much. We have a first line without a 1C......... problem one.

Second line, we have a 2C, but at best, at best, we have one 2nd line winger.

Third line is totally totally useless.

We have Schenn on defense playing top four minutes, when he doesn't deserve them.

We have no number one goalie. Gustaffson is good back up goalie, Reimer is a junior B goalie.
- faceto27

Im really starting to feel a coaching change could actually help...but again...we are missing some key parts to a full team as you said. So...w/e...do our best this year and hope to make improvemsnt for next.

No one should have expected anything other than a fight for a playoff spot this year anywayrs...would have liked it to be a little better than this current play...but its going to be a fight to the finish either way.

What was the condition......... that Burke provides a nice JB?
- faceto27

based on how the team that acquired him did, I would imagine.

Sooo...I just got an offer from a team in fantasy giving me

Toews + Sharp

OR

Sharp + Benn + M. Richards

for Karlsson and T. Ruutu

I'm pretty high of Karlsson because of the points categories he dominates (g/a/pts/ppts/def pts)
but this seems like a big overpayment, no?
Should I do it? Which one?
- clarkysduster

Oh, also this is a keeper where all players involved would be kept.

Wow.. tensions got high in here eh? I wonder how much longer it'll take people to see thru Pen15 as just being a troll but was smart enough to put TML as his favorite team.... he does sound a lot like UG actually....

Anyway... getting more and more respect for Kessel, for a guy who is supposed to be fragile and one dimensional, he has been our best player night in, night out. Even in the slump he is still trying.

A clear indication that Wilson's systems are at fault, take a look at some player who have done very well, come in, and looked completely average/bad. Versteeg, was a horse in the playoffs, and again for Florida... was awful here. Beauch, has had a great career... easily his worst days here, found his game again in Anaheim. Komisarek was a 1/2 pairing defensemen! 1/2!

And either way, if you blame the players, fair enough, but we've shipped them out and overhauled the whole roster + already. Its time we see what a new coach and new system can do b/c some teams are doing more with less. And it would be far easier and less time consuming to get a coach that fits the team, not build a team for a old (frank) who doesn't have a lot of years in general.

To me and this is just my opinion here ,is that it looks like toronto is trying to have the small fast skill montreal style team up front ,coupled to a boston smashmouth style defensive unit on the backend.
- top shelf 15

I agree....that's the case...and I believe Burke is trying to obtain some grit up front...but power forwards don't grow on trees.

Until we land a few of those type of guys, the chip and chase game WILL NOT WORK.

I think we can win a lot of games playing the way we did against SJ. Send in 1 guy on the forecheck, keep the rest in the neutral zone. It's not pretty, but it'll cause the opposing team to turn the puck over, allowing us to use our fast break speed and generate some odd man rushes.

IMO...that's the answer.

Thats the solution.

We need to stop sending in 2 guys deep....

I think it's as simple as 1 deep, 2 guys high...clog up the neutral zone and cause turnovers, leading to odd man rushes and fast breaks.
- Pen15

It would suit their big defense better ,to me burke has to decide does he want a puck posession team or a defensive club ,because the forwards would mesh better in a PP whereas the defense would look better on the latter

Tank Nation!

I agree....that's the case...and I believe Burke is trying to obtain some grit up front...but power forwards don't grow on trees.

Until we land a few of those type of guys, the chip and chase game WILL NOT WORK.

I think we can win a lot of games playing the way we did against SJ. Send in 1 guy on the forecheck, keep the rest in the neutral zone. It's not pretty, but it'll cause the opposing team to turn the puck over, allowing us to use our fast break speed and generate some odd man rushes.

IMO...that's the answer.
- Pen15

Yep also use the speed up front to hold up attackers in the neutral zone allowing toronto,s bigger defenders to stand up the blueline

Wow.. tensions got high in here eh? I wonder how much longer it'll take people to see thru Pen15 as just being a troll but was smart enough to put TML as his favorite team.... he does sound a lot like UG actually....

Anyway... getting more and more respect for Kessel, for a guy who is supposed to be fragile and one dimensional, he has been our best player night in, night out. Even in the slump he is still trying.

A clear indication that Wilson's systems are at fault, take a look at some player who have done very well, come in, and looked completely average/bad. Versteeg, was a horse in the playoffs, and again for Florida... was awful here. Beauch, has had a great career... easily his worst days here, found his game again in Anaheim. Komisarek was a 1/2 pairing defensemen! 1/2!

And either way, if you blame the players, fair enough, but we've shipped them out and overhauled the whole roster + already. Its time we see what a new coach and new system can do b/c some teams are doing more with less. And it would be far easier and less time consuming to get a coach that fits the team, not build a team for a old (frank) who doesn't have a lot of years in general.
- Boosinicka

This coming from a guy who wears a paper bag on his face?



What system would you recommend we use? Since you're so knowledgeable and insightful with your 'fire wilson' solution...

Im really starting to feel a coaching change could actually help...but again...we are missing some key parts to a full team as you said. So...w/e...do our best this year and hope to make improvemsnt for next.

No one should have expected anything other than a fight for a playoff spot this year anywayrs...would have liked it to be a little better than this current play...but its going to be a fight to the finish either way.
- noename09

I would have had no problem missing the playoffs this year, never thought we would be in anyhow. What I do have a problem with is the stupid midget level mistakes we make and with Glucky claiming we have a stud defensemen in Schenn.

Where is he???

Somebody go wake that blind franker up. I need to vent!!!!!

I would have had no problem missing the playoffs this year, never thought we would be in anyhow. What I do have a problem with is the stupid midget level mistakes we make and with Glucky claiming we have a stud defensemen in Schenn.

Where is he???

Somebody go wake that blind franker up. I need to vent!!!!!
- faceto27

Schenn is a stud on a defense first type team ,he looks out of place on the run and gun system RW is trying to employ to make use of his speedy forwards.Put him in boston and he is top 4

Wow.. tensions got high in here eh? I wonder how much longer it'll take people to see thru Pen15 as just being a troll but was smart enough to put TML as his favorite team.... he does sound a lot like UG actually....

Anyway... getting more and more respect for Kessel, for a guy who is supposed to be fragile and one dimensional, he has been our best player night in, night out. Even in the slump he is still trying.

A clear indication that Wilson's systems are at fault, take a look at some player who have done very well, come in, and looked completely average/bad. Versteeg, was a horse in the playoffs, and again for Florida... was awful here. Beauch, has had a great career... easily his worst days here, found his game again in Anaheim. Komisarek was a 1/2 pairing defensemen! 1/2!


Really??

Its RW's fault that Schenn coughs up the puck in back to back games within two minutes of the first period??

Its RW's fault that Reimer is a Junior B goalie?? Wait.......yes it is fault. He keeps putting him out there.

Take the rose coloured glasses off and see what is really going on out there.

And either way, if you blame the players, fair enough, but we've shipped them out and overhauled the whole roster + already. Its time we see what a new coach and new system can do b/c some teams are doing more with less. And it would be far easier and less time consuming to get a coach that fits the team, not build a team for a old (frank) who doesn't have a lot of years in general.
- Boosinicka

Should have sold at the deadline, got a couple of firsts, sunk in the standings to get a better pick in the draft and then fire Wilson in the offseason and bring in Eakins for the start of next year.

Schenn is a stud on a defense first type team ,he looks out of place on the run and gun system RW is trying to employ to make use of his speedy forwards.Put him in boston and he is top 4
- top shelf 15

Are these your glasses??

Are these your glasses??
- faceto27

No i dont think they are my priscription or have the right amount of UV protection,why do you ask??

Reimers stats over the past 8 games


Regular Season
Date Opponent Result GS MIN W L OTL EGA GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
Feb 28 FLA L 3-5 1 58 0 1 0 0 5 5.19 23 18 .783 0
Feb 25 WAS L 2-4 1 58 0 1 0 0 4 4.12 36 32 .889 0
Feb 23 SAN L 1-2 1 59 0 1 0 0 2 2.04 25 23 .920 0
Feb 18 @ VAN L 2-6 1 31 0 1 0 0 4 7.68 18 14 .778 0
Feb 15 @ EDM W 4-3 1 61 1 0 0 0 3 2.93 32 29 .906 0
Feb 11 MON L 0-5 1 40 0 1 0 0 4 6.00 15 11 .733 0
Feb 9 @ PHI L 3-4 1 58 0 1 0 0 4 4.12 39 35 .897 0
Feb 6 EDM W 6-3 1 60 1 0 0 0 3 3.00 30 27 .900

Schenn is a stud on a defense first type team ,he looks out of place on the run and gun system RW is trying to employ to make use of his speedy forwards.Put him in boston and he is top 4
- top shelf 15

this is what I was trying to say...not saying Schenn is a stud...but this defense as a whole is struggling and Schenn cant be used as effectively as he should be with the "system" theyre using. He looks out of place because hes not being used properly.

Once the team matures and develops, and our defense starts to figure sheit out...hell be the guy you want out there putting guys down.

Problem is right now he needs to put a guy down, grab the puck, pass/skate it out cause the rest of the team is clueless too. Everyones clueless in our own end.

Schenn is a stud on a defense first type team ,he looks out of place on the run and gun system RW is trying to employ to make use of his speedy forwards.Put him in boston and he is top 4
- top shelf 15

I think that is a key point. The Leafs have to be very careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. The Leafs are in 10th place, the place where many predicted they would finish.

They do not have a #1 center. They do not have NHL calibre goaltending. Changing coaches will no fix those weaknesses. There are other reasons to change coaches, but it is not likely to change the final standings.

this is what I was trying to say...not saying Schenn is a stud...but this defense as a whole is struggling and Schenn cant be used as effectively as he should be with the "system" theyre using. He looks out of place because hes not being used properly.

Once the team matures and develops, and our defense starts to figure sheit out...hell be the guy you want out there putting guys down.

Problem is right now he needs to put a guy down, grab the puck, pass/skate it out cause the rest of the team is clueless too. Everyones clueless in our own end.
- noename09

I think that is a key point. The Leafs have to be very careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. The Leafs are in 10th place, the place where many predicted they would finish.

They do not have a #1 center. They do not have NHL calibre goaltending. Changing coaches will no fix those weaknesses. There are other reasons to change coaches, but it is not likely to change the final standings.
- spatso

Defensive coaching can mask a lot of these issues. Not perfect them, but help mask them.

I think that is a key point. The Leafs have to be very careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. The Leafs are in 10th place, the place where many predicted they would finish.

They do not have a #1 center. They do not have NHL calibre goaltending. Changing coaches will no fix those weaknesses. There are other reasons to change coaches, but it is not likely to change the final standings.
- spatso

the voice of reason

Reimers stats over the past 8 games


Regular Season
Date Opponent Result GS MIN W L OTL EGA GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
Feb 28 FLA L 3-5 1 58 0 1 0 0 5 5.19 23 18 .783 0
Feb 25 WAS L 2-4 1 58 0 1 0 0 4 4.12 36 32 .889 0
Feb 23 SAN L 1-2 1 59 0 1 0 0 2 2.04 25 23 .920 0
Feb 18 @ VAN L 2-6 1 31 0 1 0 0 4 7.68 18 14 .778 0
Feb 15 @ EDM W 4-3 1 61 1 0 0 0 3 2.93 32 29 .906 0
Feb 11 MON L 0-5 1 40 0 1 0 0 4 6.00 15 11 .733 0
Feb 9 @ PHI L 3-4 1 58 0 1 0 0 4 4.12 39 35 .897 0
Feb 6 EDM W 6-3 1 60 1 0 0 0 3 3.00 30 27 .900
- faceto27

Again...not fair with Reimer OR Schenn.

I have been one saying we need better tending cause its killing us...but you need to understand why that is. Reimer is still young and inexperienced, playing on a younger and inexperienced blue line who have been having a lot of problems.

Defense make big mistake, leaves Reimer out to dry....we would like our goalie to bail us out, yes...but its hard to gain confidence in the league with a team like this and with a coach who pulls you in/out if youre not Brodeur like.

Again...not fair with Reimer OR Schenn.

I have been one saying we need better tending cause its killing us...but you need to understand why that is. Reimer is still young and inexperienced, playing on a younger and inexperienced blue line who have been having a lot of problems.

Defense make big mistake, leaves Reimer out to dry....we would like our goalie to bail us out, yes...but its hard to gain confidence in the league with a team like this and with a coach who pulls you in/out if youre not Brodeur like.
- noename09

Crucial crucial game last Saturday against Washington.......... a team that was in the dumps. A team that played the previous night.

Reimer lets in a goal in the first 30 seconds that a junior B goalie stops.

Young and inexperience would have only qualified on that goal if he was 10 years old.

That goal just totally deflated the team. A team that has very little confidence in their goaltending. If your on the bench, and you watch that goal go in, you can't help but think....... " here we go again"

Both Burke and Wilson should be fired at seasons end.

RW needs to go, if for just the reason to shake up the team.

Don't understand what Burke is waiting for. He didn't even hire the franken guy.

We can blame the white haired dude for that one. Aside from Fletcher's early success as GM the first time around, his second tenure ranks right up there with JFJ in terms of horrible decisions.