When the isles continue the trend of win two lose three, solidify their spot outside the top 8, then what? Does management bring up the positives of the season?? Cause other than Tavares and Hamonic, there werent any.

I'm sorry but PA is not part of the future to me. Yes he's put up points, but the isles cornerstone is a finesse player (JT). To me the isles have too much finesse and not enough grit. Look at every successful team in this league. They all have sandpaper. Matt Martin is only one player.

As a season ticket holder, I expect changes for this team.........I'm tired of paying for sub par line ups. It's time the management stops lying to us, and selling BS products. To me, this years draft will say a lot........Garth needs to make moves.
- kindlyrick

so wait, let me get this straight cause im having a bit of trouble with your thinking.... Since JT is a finesse player there cant be any other players on the team that play a finesse style?
We have too much finesse on the team.... but instead of the finesse players that aren't producing squat.. The one that IS, has no future with the team?? How does that work exactly?

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a) where do you get 2nd and 3rd round picks from? why arent prospects or first in the equation?? no offers were made (or at least leaked) that we know for a fact was a 2nd or 3rd (or prospect/1st for that matter)

b) even if it is, like you say, a 2nd or 3rd, why cant those be packaged and flipped for something bigger?

c) what happens if pap and/or leave at the end of the year? id MUCH rather have (as im sure you would) "2nd or 3rd rounders" as opposed to "nothing"

id rather have a sure thing (picks/prosects) than a meaningless promise to want to stay
- LetsGoIsles

i agree this is a risk..you will admit we have issues signing free agents...so where are we replacing pa's production...my point is moving pa for picks that don't address the need on the blue causes another huge problem..i beleive pa will resign here...nabby i'm not as confident

if youre discrediting the guy you replied to for assuming pap/nabby would have brought back a 1st because there was no rumor, than ill be the one to discredit you for saying pap would get a 2nd and nabby a 3rd simply because there was never a rumor/offer of that either
- LetsGoIsles

I don't think you're "discrediting me" by saying that, but if it makes you feel better to say that, then go ahead. the operative word is "maybe". I never said PAP or Nabby would certainly bring back a second or third. I also wasnt one who was proposing that the team move PAP and Nabby for the sake of doing so. I don't need to say anything to discredit the belief that first rounders were being offered for PAP and Nabby. Only one team moved a first round pick: NSH. no other player besides an ovverated Gaustad, moved for a first round pick and tons of scorers were rumored to be on the block. At least three or four teams were desperate for goaltending, yet only one goaltender was traded and he went for a second rounder.

You are correct, to the stick your head in the sand Islander fan Snow and Wang have a free pass for anything and they will continue to be allowed to do so. There is always an excuse for these two for some fans? God forbid another fan on these boards should question what these two genius's do or more importantly don't do! Its incredible how some called the Islanders out for doing nothing in the off season or around the deadline to improve their team and some fans think Snow and the Wanger are doing just fine. It is a joke.
- Cptmjl

i'm not making excuse...i am dealing with a word called reality.... until the arena is cleared up Wang is not spending money..reality.... we have issues getting ufa's to sign here reality....trading current players with out addressing other issues does not solve anything...if they both walk you can rip me apart on july 1st

i would have traded them yesterday for tangable pieces...second and third round picks do not help at this point..i would have set my price...thats all
- NYI78

And you know the Islanders were'nt offered firsts for PA or Nabakov?

no my point is...i don't know what snow is..ii don't think he has any control of spending money. i think his checkbook is locked in wang's vault...
- NYI78

If this is the case then Snow should not continually state that he has an open wallet and full reign to do as he pleases and then proceed to do nothing.

And you know the Islanders were'nt offered firsts for PA or Nabakov?
- Cptmjl

snow's price for pa was a one and a player...we don't know anything other than that

with all the defensman from 4-10 in this draft why would you trade your first round pick??
- NYI78

Because those d-men will take 3-5 years to be NHL-ready.

your right those are all valid points..blake was a very selfish player though i don't see that in pa..
- NYI78

i agree this is a risk..you will admit we have issues signing free agents...so where are we replacing pa's production...my point is moving pa for picks that don't address the need on the blue causes another huge problem..i beleive pa will resign here...nabby i'm not as confident
- NYI78

100% difficulty the isles have a hard time attracting FA...pap IS a free agent at year end. who he played for this year is meaningless and worthless (other than the few months of exclusive negotiations which his agent said wont happen). having said that, if trades were made for picks/prosects those could be packaged for bigger named players.

its not a bulletproof analogy but if i want to buy a $10 lottery ticket, obviously i wont get it for $1-$2.....what i need to do is find a $5 bill and then 5 $1 bills and package all those bills together for my prize.

parenteau/nabby were the $5 bill (or $1 depending on how much came back) that would have been returned if traded. then you take that return and package it for the ultimate prize that garth had his eye on.....

lock it up....totally agree....where the hell were you yesterday when that XX douche was around??
- LetsGoIsles

LOFL.. im still trying to figure out what i said to get your panties in a bunch..



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Allan Walsh ‏ @walsha

Islanders forward PA Parenteau comment on the trade deadline: "I never wanted to go anywhere else."

For whatever it's worth to everyone.

a) where do you get 2nd and 3rd round picks from? why arent prospects or first in the equation?? no offers were made (or at least leaked) that we know for a fact was a 2nd or 3rd (or prospect/1st for that matter)

b) even if it is, like you say, a 2nd or 3rd, why cant those be packaged and flipped for something bigger?

c) what happens if pap and/or leave at the end of the year? id MUCH rather have (as im sure you would) "2nd or 3rd rounders" as opposed to "nothing"

id rather have a sure thing (picks/prosects) than a meaningless promise to want to stay
- LetsGoIsles

correct

here's my final point...i love my team..but i'm not going to scream about things we can't control...until i know whats going on with the arena none of these issues go away so i'm not going to waste my time with this..i read this book before..i grew up a whaler fan.

what two first rounders are you referring to? Because neither PAP or Nabby were bringing back a first rounder. There is absolutely no rumor that a first was even offered for either guy. PAP was maybe bringing back a second, Nabby possibly a third. There is no reason to believe that either guy was bringing back a first.
- Jethro09

If Paul Gaustad brought back a first rounder, PAP certainly would have.

It almost sounds like you guys think Snow is doing a great job and we're all crazy for questioning him? I find that even more funny than some fans "demands".
- Cptmjl

Nobody is saying he's doing a good job. But some of us are questioning whether it makes sense to mail off two guys who are playing real well for the team, who the team wants back, has the money to bring back, and the players have said they want to come back to, just for the sake of moving them because they are UFAs. just like I told the other guy, nobody, including you, know if 1st rounders were offeres for PAP or Nabby. Based on the other 20+moves that were made, where only one desperate team moved a first rounder for a player they overpaid heavily for, its likely (again, none of us KNOW for sure) that #1 picks were being thrown around like frisbees yesterday.

I don't think you're "discrediting me" by saying that, but if it makes you feel better to say that, then go ahead. the operative word is "maybe". I never said PAP or Nabby would certainly bring back a second or third. I also wasnt one who was proposing that the team move PAP and Nabby for the sake of doing so. I don't need to say anything to discredit the belief that first rounders were being offered for PAP and Nabby. Only one team moved a first round pick: NSH. no other player besides an ovverated Gaustad, moved for a first round pick and tons of scorers were rumored to be on the block. At least three or four teams were desperate for goaltending, yet only one goaltender was traded and he went for a second rounder.
- Jethro09

so??

at the end of the day, youre making assumptions, right?

bottomline, you dont know if a 2nd, 3rd, 1st, crosby, my grandmothers piss or goldie locks was offered. its all assumptions.

dont knock the guy for thinking a 1st might have been available (granted, based on nothing) and than you come along and think the deal was a 2nd or 3rd (based on nothing). if youre gonna knock the guy for making a pulling-it-out-of-your-ass offer than you sure as poop shouldnt make one either....

And you know the Islanders were'nt offered firsts for PA or Nabakov?
- Cptmjl

And you know they were? Forgive me if I don't believe that to be the case.

Allan Walsh ‏ @walsha

Islanders forward PA Parenteau comment on the trade deadline: "I never wanted to go anywhere else."

For whatever it's worth to everyone.
- eichiefs9

i actually found a website that calculates how much statements are worth:

Your statement is worth exactly: $0

And you know they were? Forgive me if I don't believe that to be the case.
- Jethro09

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i agree this is a risk..you will admit we have issues signing free agents...so where are we replacing pa's production...my point is moving pa for picks that don't address the need on the blue causes another huge problem..i beleive pa will resign here...nabby i'm not as confident
- NYI78

But taking what most beieve(myself included) a even bigger risk of losing him for nothing is justified? You saying that PA is less selfish than Blake is funny. Why did you come to this conclusion. This guy is setting himself up for quite a big contract in July that many won't believe is prob warranted. I think it was a mistake not to trade him, I can see your point even though I don't agree with it in any way but for you to insinuate that some fans are whiners due to Snow sitting on his hands is funny. You are assuming alot as far as what we were offered for them as well unless you know more than we all know? If you do enlighten us all to these offers of second and third rounders for PA and Nabakov.

And you know they were? Forgive me if I don't believe that to be the case.
- Jethro09

No. I don't. I know just as much as you do. My point being.

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- XxNYIxX

so??

at the end of the day, youre making assumptions, right?

bottomline, you dont know if a 2nd, 3rd, 1st, crosby, my grandmothers piss or goldie locks was offered. its all assumptions.

dont knock the guy for thinking a 1st might have been available (granted, based on nothing) and than you come along and think the deal was a 2nd or 3rd (based on nothing). if youre gonna knock the guy for making a pulling-it-out-of-your-ass offer than you sure as poop shouldnt make one either....
- LetsGoIsles

Hey, jac**ss, calm down. re-read my stuff. Learn reading comprehension. I never made any offer. I said MAYBE PAP and Nabby MIGHT have brought back a second or third if they were moved. You and the other guy keep saying that they both undoubtedly would have brought back first rounders and neither of you have anything to base it on.

i actually found a website that calculates how much statements are worth:

Your statement is worth exactly: $0
- LetsGoIsles

Thanks for not relating it to some "Stock A and B" or "How to Purchase a Lottery Ticket" scenario. Real proud of ya. Keep up the good work.