Bro, no one is saying its all Leddy's fault! Its the entire teams fault. Hossa took the inside lane on the Stars first goal when he shoulda took the boards side (Enzo pointed that out.) The 2nd goal Hossa had time to clear the puck and blindly passed it right to the defense & that's where Leddy either fell down when no one was around him or was off drifting leaving Seabs to guard 2 players. Its fine it you have love for a certain player. Praise them when they do well, that's great! But, best believe ill fault them when they make dumb plays when they should know they're position/game. I like the way the team way playing during the 4 game win streak, but you get the same stuff that always happens #88 trying to make the highlight reels instead of playing dump & chase or just getting it on net. Stop with the damn dangling and head dekes when Dallas is stacking the blue line. Players just floating in the neutral zone waiting for the puck to come to them..uncalled for and no excuse for iit Its called despiration...Hawks should have that running thru their blood right about now wouldn't you say!?!
- CaptnSerious

+1 Very Nice!

If you read between the lines, I'm guessing Toews will be back by the Toronto game because they have been saying that he's progressing. Hammer must have suffered a set back because he's not traveling on the So Cal trip and the Montador situation doesn't sound good at all.

Along with making a few trades the Hawks got to get healthy too even if it means being a lower seed come playoff time. The Central is out of reach now so just play well enough to get in and get healthy.
- dan9189

What if Jammer isn't hurt, but is being scratched in anticipation of being traded?

+1 They all played like 40 minutes was the game length, not 60. Some times SOG doesn't tell the story enough. Last night it did. Periods 1 & 2 for Dallas = 10. Period 3 = 15.
- blackhawk24

LOL, I made a comment today at a co-worker.. Watch the first 2 periods.. you were happy.. watch the 3rd, you saw exactly why they lost 9 games.

I was in love with SOG, the 1-2 periods.. Love when they limit them.. No idea why they went in the crapper.

>Using 10 years of NHL draft data
>19% of all NHL draft picks play 200+ NHL games
>63% of 1st round picks play 200+ NHL games
>25% of 2nd round picks play 200+ NHL games
>12% of 3rd round and beyond picks play 200+ NHL games

http://proicehockey.about...pects/f/draft_success.htm

>Not surprised to hear that Hawks are back to square one
>Al has said it for weeks, SBow waited far too long to make a move -- should have come weeks ago
>SBow's plan from this summer has largely failed
>Oh yeah, how's that power play working out?

What if Jammer isn't hurt, but is being scratched in anticipation of being traded?
- droppedgloves

I don't think so, if he felt right to play he'd be on that flight to So Cal.

JJ and Al

Assuming the compensation is fairly equal, Of the 2 centers Roy (29 years old) or Grabovski (28 years old) who would you rather have and why?

Just who is so valuable in the upcoming draft that Bowman won't even consider trading his late first round pick?

I don't think so, if he felt right to play he'd be on that flight to So Cal.
- dan9189

I agree, but I was suggesting that he actually is healthy enough to play but won't because a trade partner wants him held out until the deal is done/announced (for example, after the Anaheim game)....admittedly, just a random thought...but it sure would be interesting to see if anyone notable on the Ducks roster is scratched for Sunday's game (Visnovsky?)

Florida has acquired C Jerred Smithson from the Nashville Predators in exchange for a sixth round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft


Preds moving a contract to acquire more help??? Falling father behind.

Traveling all day -nice to catch up! Brutal loss. Foley and Eddie called it. 5 of next 6 on the road. Yikes! No pp -yikes! We don't get 2points this weekend it will be very tough going forward.

While I'm not happy at all with last night's loss I think we can cool it on all the doom and gloom talk. This team is still playoff bound IMO.

nice to see sb not even bid on carter - even worse than my sarcastic frolik & a fifth.
grabo is worth a 1st- make it conditional if you like - but good god man (stanbo), help this team!
his objective should be to put this team in a position to compete for the cup. they are not there right now, this season.
go overpay for a 4D and a 2c or a wing - make this team competitive for the cup.
is that too much to ask as a paying fan??
- dpard

Would Hammer, Morin and a first even gotten it done? It really seems like Howson called up the hawks to light a fire under LA to accept the deal that the jackets wanted. If the jackets truly wanted to trade with the hawks, he wouldn't have called up Stan a few hours before the deal got done. Either way if Stan plays or doesn't play, hes a pawn and we aren't getting carter. At least thats what I read between the lines.

While I'm not happy at all with last night's loss I think we can cool it on all the doom and gloom talk. This team is still playoff bound IMO.
- dan9189

You sound just like Arthur and Bill and Bob ...

Screw the first round pick. How many even make the NHL, let alone produce like the two centers in question.

I have no faith in the current regime to get anything worthwhile done. This isn't based on the Carter deal, but their overall body of work.

Would Hammer, Morin and a first even gotten it done? It really seems like Howson called up the hawks to light a fire under LA to accept the deal that the jackets wanted. If the jackets truly wanted to trade with the hawks, he wouldn't have called up Stan a few hours before the deal got done. Either way if Stan plays or doesn't play, hes a pawn and we aren't getting carter. At least thats what I read between the lines.
- ozzzie19

It might have but the thing about trading with a team like CBJ is that because they're bad and free agents aren't exactly lining up to play there, they're going to want to acquire guys who they'll have control of for a while/will be there for the next 4-5-6 years. Hammer has 2 more years after this one and will then be a UFA which really does the CBJ no good. It would've probably have to have been a guy like Leddy plus a Morin plus a 1st rd pick.

It might have but the thing about trading with a team like CBJ is that because they're bad and free agents aren't exactly lining up to play there, they're going to want to acquire guys who they'll have control of for a while/will be there for the next 4-5-6 years. Hammer has 2 more years after this one and will then be a UFA which really does the CBJ no good. It would've probably have to have been a guy like Leddy plus a Morin plus a 1st rd pick.
- dan9189

Which the hawks should rightfully turn down.

I understand why everyone is hating on stan for the lack of action in the deadline in general, but I see no reason whatsoever to be upset at him for missing out on Carter.

Would Hammer, Morin and a first even gotten it done? It really seems like Howson called up the hawks to light a fire under LA to accept the deal that the jackets wanted. If the jackets truly wanted to trade with the hawks, he wouldn't have called up Stan a few hours before the deal got done. Either way if Stan plays or doesn't play, hes a pawn and we aren't getting carter. At least thats what I read between the lines.
- ozzzie19

don't know. but it sounds like he was given the parameters to deal and then sat on it, as in...did nothing - for more than a few hours, sounded like days - maybe he could have had a chance to expand the deal and get a D too? who knows? or even better, go back to another team they've been trying to deal with and say they're about to jump on carter if that team doesn't accept the hawks offer.
just tired of hearing that picks and prospects are sacred while the team is treading water at best

Florida has acquired C Jerred Smithson from the Nashville Predators in exchange for a sixth round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft


Preds moving a contract to acquire more help??? Falling father behind.
- yobwoc03

Where's ogle...tick tock....

Where's ogle...tick tock....
- southernhawk

Right here.

I don't understand either why they won't give up a 1st rd pick especially since they had 've had/acquired 15 guys in the first two rounds of the past 3 drafts (Leddy, Paradis, Olsen, Morin, Pirri, Hayes brothers, Rensfeldt, Holl, Simpson, Johns, McNeill, Danault, Clendening and Saad). That's unacceptable especially if it's going to be a late round pick.

Also I disagree with you totally on blaming the blue line for last night's loss. That loss is 100% on Hossa because he decided to cheat and do the same crap they did that got them in the 9 game skid. That play turned the whole game and Dallas had NOTHING up till that point. Every loss is not the blue line's fault, the defense was smothering last night for the majority of the game till Hos tried to get cute.

Just cause Hossa is an all world player doesn't mean that he doesn't deserve to get called out, he does because he single handedly cost the Hawks the game last night.
- dan9189

Nonsense....the game was 1:1 with 10 minutes to go...that play did not decide the game.

The Hawks did not answer the entire 3rd...they were content to eek out 1-zip game or get it to OT. Yeah they were deflections but when you push like the Stars did...you get those "breaks" just like Bolland's shot went off Backes's skate to win vs the Blues.

Honestly the more I think abou this the more I don't want rental players. Not this year at least. We should be building a dynasty. We have all the tools to do so. Cap space is an issue and will always be one and this we need to lower some of our stock to stay competitive.

We also need to evaluate the integrity of this team. We can't go into games half hearted or hung over or whatever. No team success like this. The team needs a general that keeps them in line. Not a politician that toes the line. Our captain is the heart of this team. Everyone knows this. So change needs to happen behind the bench and that to me IMHO requires the parting of ways with Q and Kitchen minimum.

The core and the rest. They need stability and consistency. Constant juggling of lines, swapping of centers, mismanagement of minutes, line changes, and rookie development all falls back to Q. This is the biggest issue with players like Kane.

Kane himself is also a problem because he too, IMHO, does not want to be here. He rather be a hometown hero. So I think it's in the best interest of both parties to atleast get him moved to buffalo or closer destination. His return for his trade would fill several holes on this team and we should at the very least consider this.

We can easily retool and get this ship on course again if we make the right decisions now. Sell off assets, off season moves (Kane), and a new presence behind the bench.

Hey JJ. Stan MIGHT be able to get Lubo from the Ducks but with the Hawks cap situation there would have to be serious cash coming back. If I'm Bob Murray I'd want Hayes for sure but who else would he trade so the money would work. Sharp would work but I don't see that happening.
- duxcup07

Hawks don't have the cash for another 5 million dollar man. Sorry, if you want to move that particular player look elsewhere.

If they did Hayes and Sharp together would not be in the deal that I can assure you.

The Chicago Blackhawks are on lockdown ? Some guy on twitter says the NYR is out on Nash because they have moved on to Getzlaf . If Nash wants out of CBJ that terrible bad , can CBJ tell him, hey its the Hawks (best offer) or you stay here and play out the string .

Also, JJ , AL , Id rather have Gravo from Toronto instead of Roy. Think Gravo is more physical and a little better scoring touch this year. What do you guys think ?

The Chicago Blackhawks are on lockdown ? Some guy on twitter says the NYR is out on Nash because they have moved on to Getzlaf . If Nash wants out of CBJ that terrible bad , can CBJ tell him, hey its the Hawks (best offer) or you stay here and play out the string .

Also, JJ , AL , Id rather have Gravo from Toronto instead of Roy. Think Gravo is more physical and a little better scoring touch this year. What do you guys think ?
- mrpaulish

For your second question. Gravo v Roy. Hard to say. Gravo has one more year on his deal, Roy has two more years. Gravo is a bit cheaper. I think it depends on HOW fast you can develop the 2nd line center. Will Kruger be ready in another year? McNeill in two? If you're close then get Gravo and let him walk if he wants after next year. If you need a bit more time, Roy gives you two years. That's how I'd solve the equation.

Hawks should NOT be on Nash, a 7.8 million dollar cap hit? Hell not, that does not fit on this team. Move on.

I've been trying to read every post on here, but it's been a bit tedious the past couple of days. Really be glad when the trade deadline is gone (and all of the post-mortems are in) and actual hockey comes back into play.

Have to think that the (presumably) concussions to Toews and Hjalmarsson are affecting the Hawks moves this week-end. One never knows how long they will be out - Crosby has been out for 14 months.

What if they're thinking that T and H are potentially out for weeks? If they are, Cup hopes are gone no matter who they get - Toews is irreplaceable, and Hjalmarsson being replaced just gets you even.

Only 20 games left - not much time for new guys to fit in.