I had a dream last night the Hawks traded for Barker.
- dan9189

I would mind cam..if he could stay health ...he's big plays with some grit moves the puck well....

Yeah. Your thinking is wrong on this. The Hawks could have waived Olesz within three weeks of getting him and none of his contract would have counted against the cap. They didn't. They thought he could play. When they found out he was hurt/bad, that's when they sent him down.
- yahoodi

Are you referring to buying out Olesz? Because if the Hawks would have done that it would have been one of the "legal" cap cirumvention tactics. But the thing with buying a guy out is that he'll still count against your cap (albeit at a reduced rate, but for longer). The Hawks didn't do that, instead they chose to bury his entire contract so he doesn't count against the cap at all. And that my friend is illegal cap circumvention. Hey I'm a Hawk fan, and heck I'm glad Rocky allows it, but a spade is a spade.

I would mind cam..if he could stay health ...he's big plays with some grit moves the puck well....
- southernhawk

Has to be sarcasm, right?

I had a dream last night the Hawks traded for Barker.
- dan9189

NIGHTMARE for me.

Wrong, the Hawks aquired Osesz with the intent of buying him out. His age allowed the Hawks to buy him out at one third of his contract instead of the standard two thirds. Problem is Olesz wasn't able to clear the medical following his surgery, and you can't buy out any player that has not been cleared to play. So he was brought into training camp and the Hawks found out what the Panthers already knew, that he was crap. So the Hawks put him on waivers, and "surprisingly" no one claimed him.
- hawksbuzz

So, this is just another Sta Bowman fail. He was so anxious to dump Campbell that he didn't completely do homework on Olesz.

I also thought Tallon gave him a choice of a couple of players he could have. Right/Wrong?

Has to be sarcasm, right?
- ozzzie19

He wasn't bad when he played here....he's suked. Everywhere else....but he would be a better 2nd pair d man than what we have now

Are you referring to buying out Olesz? Because if the Hawks would have done that it would have been one of the "legal" cap cirumvention tactics. But the thing with buying a guy out is that he'll still count against your cap (albeit at a reduced rate, but for longer). The Hawks didn't do that, instead they chose to bury his entire contract so he doesn't count against the cap at all. And that my friend is illegal cap circumvention. Hey I'm a Hawk fan, and heck I'm glad Rocky allows it, but a spade is a spade.
- ozzzie19

It is smart management . You can bet Pronger will not retire next year he will be on LTIR for the rest of his contract. GMs are smart they know how to work the cap .Same as Hossa and Luongo are cap circumvented.

Wrong, the Hawks aquired Osesz with the intent of buying him out. His age allowed the Hawks to buy him out at one third of his contract instead of the standard two thirds. Problem is Olesz wasn't able to clear the medical following his surgery, and you can't buy out any player that has not been cleared to play. So he was brought into training camp and the Hawks found out what the Panthers already knew, that he was crap. So the Hawks put him on waivers, and "surprisingly" no one claimed him.
- hawksbuzz

Chris Drury was bought out. Enough said.

NIGHTMARE for me.
- philco28

Not to worry, our man Stanbow is poring over the waiver wire now with a big smile on his face. He sees Sean Avery and Grant Clitsome and knows if he gets them he won't have to give up a precious 4th round draft choice on Monday.

Leddy maybe will be a great d man....but since we got rid of Barker...we have never really replaced what we lost ....Boynton.....Johnsenn.....all those suked WAY worse than Barker

Are you referring to buying out Olesz? Because if the Hawks would have done that it would have been one of the "legal" cap cirumvention tactics. But the thing with buying a guy out is that he'll still count against your cap (albeit at a reduced rate, but for longer). The Hawks didn't do that, instead they chose to bury his entire contract so he doesn't count against the cap at all. And that my friend is illegal cap circumvention. Hey I'm a Hawk fan, and heck I'm glad Rocky allows it, but a spade is a spade.
- ozzzie19

It is called putting a player on waivers, it happens all the time, it gives the other 29 teams a chance to claim him. The fact that no one does, puts him into the minors, this is not cap circumvention.

Not to worry, our man Stanbow is poring over the waiver wire now with a big smile on his face. He sees Sean Avery and Grant Clitsome and knows if he gets them he won't have to give up a precious 4th round draft choice on Monday.
- RickJ

Omfg

It is called putting a player on waivers, it happens all the time, it gives the other 29 teams a chance to claim him. The fact that no one does, puts him into the minors, this is not cap circumvention.
- hawksbuzz

Thats the Huet situation, and that is legal cap circumvention. But its different when you trade for a guy expressly to put him on waivers. I'm trying to find the exact phrasing, but I know I've read it.

Leddy maybe will be a great d man....but since we got rid of Barker...we have never really replaced what we lost ....Boynton.....Johnsenn.....all those suked WAY worse than Barker
- southernhawk

Barker was UTTER shyte.

Not to worry, our man Stanbow is poring over the waiver wire now with a big smile on his face. He sees Sean Avery and Grant Clitsome and knows if he gets them he won't have to give up a precious 4th round draft choice on Monday.
- RickJ

Yeah, maybe, he'll reacquire Segal, flip a 7th rounder back to Tampa, and then work the phones to stockpile a pair of 6th round picks for 2015.

Barker was UTTER shyte.
- philco28

I think he was better than boynton and that other guy named Kim wtf

So, this is just another Sta Bowman fail. He was so anxious to dump Campbell that he didn't completely do homework on Olesz.

I also thought Tallon gave him a choice of a couple of players he could have. Right/Wrong?
- RickJ

Right, and I remember Tallon saying he was surprised at who Bowman chose. So I do believe Bowman may not have been armed with all the information needed to assume he could buy Olesz out. Can't be too hard on Stan though, the trade came up so fast and he was excited about the prospect of getting rid of Soupy's contract.

Wolski just got delt....

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Thats the Huet situation, and that is legal cap circumvention. But its different when you trade for a guy expressly to put him on waivers. I'm trying to find the exact phrasing, but I know I've read it.
- ozzzie19

He was a Hawk for 5 months.

Wolski just got delt....
- southernhawk

Rangers clearing cap space.

Leddy maybe will be a great d man....but since we got rid of Barker...we have never really replaced what we lost ....Boynton.....Johnsenn.....all those suked WAY worse than Barker
- southernhawk

I liked having Barker on the team, because of him I was able to meet Toews, Sharp, Ladd, Huet.....During those moments, Coach 'Q', Kane, Byfuglien, Eager, Versteeg, Campbell; they were all there too.....So, Barker was great for that!!

I wasn't a fan of his, but he wasn't as bad as some of you are stating.

Thats the Huet situation, and that is legal cap circumvention. But its different when you trade for a guy expressly to put him on waivers. I'm trying to find the exact phrasing, but I know I've read it.
- ozzzie19

They could never prove intent so even if it's in the CBA it wouldnt be enforceable.

Teams have traded players to low budget, near the floor teams for the intended purposes of the receiving team to buy them out.

Let us know if you find something in the CBA around this.

Brian rolston is on waivers ....

Thats the Huet situation, and that is legal cap circumvention. But its different when you trade for a guy expressly to put him on waivers. I'm trying to find the exact phrasing, but I know I've read it.
- ozzzie19

13.20 (b) has something similar, but in the reverse. Teams that claim a player on Waivers, in certain situations, can't trade that player until after the playoffs of that season.